December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Guerilla ISP's...
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 20:19 1/1/96, Jim Choate wrote: >Has anyone looked at operating systems like Plan 9 which divide the services >into 3 sets (terminal, file, process) and then distribute them over various >machines (and cpu's in multi-cpu systems) on a 'cost' basis? > >This would effectively address the issue of where named, httpd, or whatever >was running. Mainly because it would never run on the same machine (or cpu) >each time or necessarily all the time (ie run a while here then over there). That is called a conspiracy. The consequence is that all machines involved will be confiscated and their respective owners jailed. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: Guerilla ISP's... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:49:28 -0800 > From: shamrock(a)netcom.com (Lucky Green) > Subject: Re: Guerilla ISP's... > > At 20:19 1/1/96, Jim Choate wrote: > >Has anyone looked at operating systems like Plan 9 which divide the services > >into 3 sets (terminal, file, process) and then distribute them over various > >machines (and cpu's in multi-cpu systems) on a 'cost' basis? > > > >This would effectively address the issue of where named, httpd, or whatever > >was running. Mainly because it would never run on the same machine (or cpu) > >each time or necessarily all the time (ie run a while here then over there). > > That is called a conspiracy. The consequence is that all machines involved > will be confiscated and their respective owners jailed. > Wow, you mean you can prosecute an operating system?

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Paperclip original posting?
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

could someone kindly forward me a copy of the original paperclip symbology posting? Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------- "It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error." Robert H. Jackson (1892-1954), U.S. Judge <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> My web page: http://www.geopages.com/CapitolHill/1148

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Re: Guerilla ISP's... (fwd)
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 21:16 1/1/96, Jim Choate wrote: >Wow, you mean you can prosecute an operating system? Well, you can seize the machine running the OS for the crimes it committed. I am serious. No prosecution needed. Prosecution followed by conviction is what will happen to the owner of the computer on which the OS was running. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Guerilla Internet Service Providers
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:18 PM 12/30/95, Lucky Green wrote: >At best, Cypherpunks can hope to provide the infrastructure that will allow >an underground to communicate semi-securely. We are unable to stop the >global tidal wave of fascism. Let's not waste our time on bemoaning the >freedoms crushed in its path. We have more important work to do. And support your local ISPs! (Or, even better, direct connection to the Net, though this is harder for most of us to arrange.) This CompuServe situation should be a great recruiting opportunity. Cypherpunks in various parts of the country (and outside the U.S.) can get active in local AOL, Prodigy, and Compuserve groups (and maybe even Netcom chat groups, as Netcom is large enough to be a ripe target for harassment by some zealous prosecutor or tort-crazed lawyer, as the Church of Scientology case showed). They can tell the folks about local alternatives. Having lots of small, decentralized providers makes censoring the Net all the harder. Guerilla Internet Service Providers. (I'm not disparaging Netcom. Tom Klemesrud not only fought the CoS, he has also spoken out against CompuServe's action. I just understand that the "deep pockets" effect means that any ISP large enough to register on the radar screens of the statists will be targetted for regulation and sanctioning. Better to have a thousand services, melting into the jungle when the heavy artillery arrives.) --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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A weakness in PGP signatures, and a suggested solution
by Clark Matthews 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just a note to Dr. Dmitri Vulis -- your post by this name appears to have been forge-cancelled on mail. cypherpunks 1/1/96 at 4:13 EST. Two replies also forge-cancelled. Anybody running lazarus on mail.cypherpunks? Might be an interesting idea. Dr. Vulis, can you repost the item to this list? Best, Clark .---. .----------- * :::::::::::::::::::::::::::: / \ __ / ------ * clark.matthews(a)paranet.org / / \(..)/ ----- * :::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ////// ' \/ ` ---- * //// / // : : --- * PERMISSION TO \\/ / * / /` '--* COPY / REPOST \*/ * //..\\ x-x-UU----UU-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x- '//||\\` N E M O..M E..I M P U N E..L A C E S S I T x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x

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Re: Guerilla Internet Service Providers
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 23:35 1/1/96, Jon Lasser wrote: >More work needs to be done on untracable, yet at least modestly >efficient, truly anonymous routing, even in a system where many of the >participants, and perhaps even one of the endpoints, is or is willing to >"cheat." Time to bring up my favorite CP invention of the last years: Wai Dai's Pipenet. Of course running Pipenet would be a felony in the future I forsee, but it sure is a great idea. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: Guerilla Internet Service Providers
by dmandl＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:44 PM 1/1/96, Lucky Green wrote: >At 15:32 1/1/96, Felix Lee wrote: >>Lucky Green: >>> Some site in physical space has to host the nntpd, the ftpd, and the httpd. >>> That site will be subject to search, seizure, and arrest and conviction of >>> owner. >> >>but if it turns out that 30% of home PCs have to be seized to prevent >>dissemination of dangerous-information-X? > >Wrong. Only 0.03% of the home PCs have to be seized and the owners >incarcerated. The remaining users will cease to carry controlled data on >their own. I agree. It's not a good idea to assume that there's going to be some kind of widespread opposition movement when the big Net Crackdown comes. Most people will either obey the law, be unaffected by it, or violate it in very insignificant ways ("net jaywalking"). There's strength in numbers, but I just don't think the numbers will be there. --Dave. -- Dave Mandl dmandl(a)panix.com http://www.wfmu.org/~davem <---Completely overhauled--tons of new stuff

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Re: Guerilla Internet Service Providers
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 1/1/96 at 3:11 pm Lucky Green replied to Andreas Bogk about: >>So I guess we'll need some computers in outer space, on offshore boats >>or in well-bribed stable dictatorships. >o Outer space: not very realistic >o Offshore boats: see the fate of drug trafficers in international waters >after the Coast Guard is through with them. What about using converted freighters offshore in international waters for storing the computers? i.e. Sameer the Wolfman Jack of Pirate Internet Services (tm) I was told that Belize is offering passports for the next two years for $50,000 and that might be even less if offers were made to the government to provide low cost Internet access to the citizens of Belize. http://www.belize.com/citzdoc.html Belize has always been known as a home for pirates, A wonderful Cypherpunk candidate for an offshore data haven! L. Malthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMOjOmQJo+wOswDgJAQEdGgP8CzcIf7/p1QS8yYc7uelApYLWcDUHo1AE LHBz4kWg8bdrvWEqck1oIgY/Z+gvr88tKP3l7TDei8y+mJFoqYeSM27aE0ohvS2a XVq7YwbGs+/CKTWJTWsyxwsQEQHyj+Ig7oY+JB76wUN9WTz9pfuwXQ7oaF4RXHcf WqFOXM6ogMA= =0UFR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Guerilla Internet Service Providers
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

m5(a)dev.tivoli.com (Mike McNally) writes: > Dimitri Vulis writes: > > > For how long ... ? > > > > For as long as they're able to provide information and services that > > customers want, which are not available via "generic" small ISP's. > > But don't you think it likely that AOL & Compuserve will soon see the > economic advantage of making their services available (for per-use > fees) to the Internet as a whole? If not AOL & Compuserve, then > certainly the actual content providers themselves. (The NSA may be a > different matter.) > > I don't see why content providers would not be willing to make stuff > available via the internet; they don't have to do it for free. OK, I'm sure we have the nice folks from the National Computer Security Association on this list. Why don't they set up their forum so it's not necessary to have a CompuServe account to access it? --- Dr. Dimitri Vulis Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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