December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

proposal for new cyber abbreviation
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

yes, cyberspace just doesn't have enough acronyms like AFAIK and IANAL etc. ad nauseam. (I have reason to believe that PTB, or "powers that be" was actually invented here on this list!!) anyway after reading recent messages I propose: SHTBD!!!! as in, Something Has To Be Done. used either seriously or satirically (probably mostly satirically by everyone here). example: "there was a editorialist on TV ranting about the 4 horsemen of the infocalypse and screeching that SHTBD!!!" or, "I was not implying that SHTBD, merely that we are moving into a brave new world in cyberspace". or, "those @#$%^&* online pedophiles are crawling all over the net. SHTBD!!!" or, "the @#%^^&* mainstream press is always pointing out new bogeymen with the concluding moral, SHTBD!!!" notice that SHTBD is the antithesis of cypherpunk philosophy in that it tends to imply 1. government intervention 2. coercive force 3. censorship etc. hence by using this term and popularizing it, we promote our own agenda of "cryptoanarchy". just my small contribution to humanity for today.

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cool cpunk project proposal: "cpunk approved" logo
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

recently my local newspaper ran a section on privacy preservation in cyberspace. it quoted Dave Banisar of CPSR as talking about how future companies might have a "privacy safe" sticker affixed to them. *wow*, what a great idea. this would be a great project for the cpunks. most people here are familiar with Point Communications and how they do the "top 5% of web sites" and authorize sites to use their logo. this is such a neat idea: it's one of the first reputation rating companies in existence, in a sense. furthermore, it's *private*. TCM and others have advocated that these companies are going to become ubiquitous (rating *everything* including hot-button things like doctors, lawyers, hit men, etc. <g>) and I can see it happening quickly. here's my idea that some enterprising cpunks might like to pursue. create a CYPHERPUNK PRIVACY SAFE logo and distribute it to various companies who adhere to the criteria that it names!!! the steps would be: 1. create a logo 2. create a set of criteria for companies who are "privacy safe" or who adhere to cpunk privacy guidelines. 3. write out this list in careful detail. one might also have different levels or grades, such as "level 5 privacy protection" etc. one could conceivably use it as a negative reinforcement too, handing out "F's" to the worst companies. 4. POPULARIZE this. get companies to put the logo on their sites like they do with the Web logo. now, I don't know if people here realize how much great potential this idea has. the media just LOVES to quote these kinds of judgements when it's a slow news day (witness Blackwell's "worst dressed" list or "best haircuts" or whatever else). the immediate objection I can see is that all kinds of people such as PM will rant that there is no "official" cpunk privacy standard. great!! I propose somebody create their OWN and call it that without any reservations. if the cpunk name is not copyrighted, if no one owns it, then anyone can do whatever they want with it!!! ah, that's glorious anarchy for sure. if multiple standards emerge, I'm sure one will tend to become dominant, or at least the competition between them will have them covering different areas (such as FAQs in newsgroups work). this idea really has FANTASTIC protential imho. in fact I propose that Community Connection is in a really excellent position to latch onto this idea-- they already have many press releases and the industry is watching them. notice that this sticker could be used to handle the key escrow issues as well-- like one of the levels being that the company is ideologically opposed to mandatory key escrow or something. different levels of cryptography could be involved. someone will have to experiment with perhaps multiple logos and different grades. remember, the thing should be as absolutely obvious and easy to comprehend as possible for even Joe Sixpack to get it. let's create a cpunk "approval" rating that has as much recognition some day as the "intel inside" ad campaign has generated!!!

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[NOISE] Re: AWARD: CHRISTMAS NET SCROOGE - AT&T & NETSCAPE
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[ More non-crypto garbage deleted ] > > God, you are annoying Fred, ER, I meant, "Alice". > My dearest Perry. > I am not Fred. I am not he. He is not me. Got it?? We aren't even in > the same category or the same country. Fred's an American, and I am not. But you do have much in common. Perry did not say that you are Fred, but instead implied he mixed the two of you up (quite understandable). > Scary, isn't it?? A non-American ... What's scary is a non-American foaming at the mouth about American politics when I'm sure his own country is far from perfect. P.S. This post is in the public domain. G. E. T. A. F. U. C. K. I. N. G. C. L. U. E.

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Re: another anonymous poster helping to destroy our rights
by Daniel Miskell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You know, you are really starting to annoy me with this $*i+ about how anon users are destroying our rights by abusing theirs. If you dont like it, ignore it. but stop cluttering bandwith with your aimless complaints. if you want cypherpunks to do somthing, SUGGEST somthing! Stop wining and shut up!! *sigh* its like people cannot handle their own problems today, except by bleating to the public. I am requesting that anybody who has a problem with anon users TALK TO THE OWNER OF THE LIST. Munster --- _________________________________ *!Cheese Doctrine:!* Though cultured over time, and aged to perfection, one must not yield to produce mold. One must also not belittle themselves by conforming to the "whiz", but melt over the unprocessed ideas of Ghuda. _________________________________

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[NOISE] Re: AWARD: CHRISTMAS NET SCROOGE - AT&T & NETSCAPE
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [ More non-crypto garbage deleted ] > > God, you are annoying Fred, ER, I meant, "Alice". > My dearest Perry. > I am not Fred. I am not he. He is not me. Got it?? We aren't even in > the same category or the same country. Fred's an American, and I am not. But you do have much in common. Perry did not say that you are Fred, but instead implied he mixed the two of you up (quite understandable). > Scary, isn't it?? A non-American ... What's scary is a non-American foaming at the mouth about American politics when I'm sure his own country is far from perfect. P.S. This post is in the public domain. G. E. T. A. F. U. C. K. I. N. G. C. L. U. E. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMOGt6yoZzwIn1bdtAQHvtwGAyZvsHKR64N1cPI6R95HiyMfuSuATVQNP BeXflQ0LGAhRHeXH9V8TUO79RBTe0y80 =m+al -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: DejaNews and Alta Vista Search Tools, and Privacy Implications
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:28 AM 12/27/95 -0800, tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote: >Anyway, a point of clarification of a point, lest there be the belief that >_all_ Cypherpunks are opposed to comprehensive Web search tools: ...... ...offshore... ...... >Face it, every single word written by any of us to any Usenet newsgroup, >going back to the beginning of Usenet, and expanding out to many >ostensibly-private mailing lists, will fairly soon be searchable. The Internet not only makes it easier for everybody to get their 15 minutes of fame, it guarantees that anything stupid you've said in public over the last 15 years will be available to the entire world. So deal with it... I'm more bothered by people indexing what I read. What kinds of Cypherpunk technology can we use to affect this? I don't think we need to do too much work on _increasing_ data collection; the commercial markets will figure that one out fast enough, though understanding technical possibilities enough to stay ahead is good. Remailers and nymservers are obvious starts on the information-hiding end, and even the basic non-encrypted cypherpunks remailers are good enough for most applications. The problem is getting them widely deployed. I've seen a couple of web-page-based remailers, and they're probably easy to deploy widely; they're not very secure without SSL, but they're a start, and people on SSL-equipped systems can run them securely. Anon web proxies are more work to deploy, but they're not mysterious, and the main limits to deploying them are economics. Nymservers, however, are still pretty new - technology like anon.penet.fi is generally good enough for most people if you've got an operator you trust, and an economic base that makes it worth running them. But the more secure nymservers are still complex, and probably not something the average hacker can just pop up and run - we probably need to explore them more before it'll be easy to do. While I like getting services provided through community spirit, like most of the remailers, I suspect Tim's right that pay-per-use privacy services are going to evolve, and probably dominate. Among other things, they're in the balance between the couch-potato on-line services and real Internet connections; they're probably more likely to be offered by people who want full-time connectivity, and will be used to offset the slightly higher costs of real service. However, partly due to patent issues, and partly just to convenience, I don't think they all need to use fully-anonymous digicash for every transaction; most of them can get by with service-provider tokens that may be paid for by digicash or by less-anonymous systems. One of the main threats I see to privacy services is the Exon bill - it's pretty obvious that most US service providers will have to limit access to people over 18, in spite of any of the Good Senator's claims otherwise. If the Feds start making examples of people before any serious court cases get decided (or after, if the good guys lose), that probably means that service providers will have to check ID to protect themselves. There may be a market for services that validate that their customers are over 18, but provide anonymity within that. #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 # .... Heading back to The Big Phone Company

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Re: AWARD: CHRISTMAS NET SCROOGE - AT&T & NETSCAPE
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [ Non-crypto garbage deleted ] The Vince Foster articles were more relevant than this garbage (not to mention the fact they made more sense). P.S. This post is in the public domain. G. E. T. A. F. U. C. K. I. N. G. C. L. U. E. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMOGjoCoZzwIn1bdtAQHRJwF/fATfL+ZmsLlB8wgGdme5QkXExqw8Fa0G MZuaH93wUT5B+VgTQSuWPfqfd+zaUUTo =jf8w -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Did anyone see...
by Marshall Clow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On C-Span today: 2:06 pm ET/11:06 am PT Secret Codes Used in World War II National Security Agency -- Marshall Marshall Clow Aladdin Systems <mailto:mclow@mailhost2.csusm.edu> "Eternal vigilance is the price of PostScript" -- MacUser Jan 96 DTP and Graphics column

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Re: COMMUNITY CONNEXION ANNOUNCES APACHE-SSL COMMERCE
by Alex de Joode 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: At 01:12 PM 12/26/95 -0800, sameer wrote: : > The Apache-SSL Commerce webserver is the only commercial encrypting : > webserver with source available. Ian Goldberg, graduate student at : > U.C. Berkeley, well-known for his work on SSL security, commented on : > the importance of available source, ftp://ftp.hacktic.nl/pub/replay/pub/apache/ -AJ-

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GEY_ser
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

12-27-95. W$Jug: A test of superfast cable modems at Boston College prove addictive to speed freak faculty and students downloading junk data in seconds not minutes and hours, thus accelerating mind-rupture. And, an editorial red flags the telecom billions giveaway; nags Republicans to shut the geyser and not-reg the I-Way. GEY_ser

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