December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

the soda cypherpunks ftp site
by Erich von Hollander 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

the soda cypherpunks site, with source for pgp, the remailers, and much other useful information, is moving. the new name for the site is ftp.csua.berkeley.edu. this will actually poing to soda until the summer, at which point it will move to its own machine. please start refering to the site as ftp.csua.berkeley.edu to make the transition as smooth as possible. e

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STEGO (SHORT) FAQ
by Romana Machado 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello from Cypherella! Thanks for your interest in Stego. I have prepared this note to answer most of the questions I've been asked about Stego. 1. Where is Stego? Stego was moved from the /Recent directory to the compression utilities directory '/cmp' in the info-mac directory at sumex-aim(a)stanford.edu. You can download the Mac version from there. 2. Is a PC,DOS,MSDOS version coming? I have not been developing one, for lack of suitable hardware. Fortunately, bart.simpson(a)glib.org, has developed a PC version that operates on TIF files, and Colin James Maroney informed me that he's made a PC verson that operates on GIF files. He is shag(a)oregon.uoregon.edu. I haven't tried either of these; I hope they're useful. 3. How can I get a copy of Stego by mail? Send a check or postal money order for US$15 and your address to: Romana Machado c/o Paradigm Shift Research 19672 Stevens Creek Blvd Suite 127 Cupertino, CA 95014 You will recieve the latest version of Stego and news about updates and future products. Thanks again for your interest, Romana Machado romana(a)apple.com Note: Many of you recieved this a blind cc, as a privacy protecting measure.

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Rights are on the CP agenda
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Jim Sewell - KD4CKQ" <jims(a)Central.KeyWest.MPGN.COM> > Sorry for helping to promote an indepth discussion of a topic only marginally > inline with c'punks. Yo! Everyone! Carry this thread on in private, please. > It is a very valid discussion, but not one for all c'punks. While public housing projects may not be on the CP agenda, the confict between a mob-like majority willing, in order 'to reduce crime,' to impinge on the rights of minorities with different opinions is *definitely* something to discuss here. If enough criminals start using PGP, there may well be similar pressure in favour of Clipper. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "What is civilisation rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in but a ribonucleic Voicemail +91 11 3760335; Vox/Fax/Data 6853410 hangover?" H-34C Saket New Delhi 110017 INDIA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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PGP Shell for Windows
by bart＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce Subject: jwps16.zip Windows PGP Shell v 1.6, J.Snyder Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 13:43:21 GMT Thank you for your contribution. This upload is now available as 304822 Apr 22 01:59 garbo.uwasa.fi:/windows/util/jwps16.zip : Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 09:01:24 GMT : From: jsnyder(a)ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (J Snyder) : To: win-up(a)uwasa.fi : Subject: JWPS16.ZIP - J's Windows PGP Shell v 1.6 : : : File name: JWPS16.ZIP : One line description: Windows PGP Shell v 1.6 : Replaces: JWPS15.ZIP : Suggested Garbo directory: : Uploader name & email: J Snyder <jsnyder(a)ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> : Author or company: J Snyder : Email address: jsnyder(a)ccwf.cc.utexas.edu : Surface address:7008 Fence Line Dr, Austin, Tx 78749 : Special requirements: Windows 3.1 or greater : Shareware payment required from private users: No : Shareware payment required from corporates: Negotiable : Distribution limitations: None : Demo: No : Nagware: No : Self-documenting: Yes (context-sensitive help file) : External documentation included: No : Source included: No : Size: 304566 bytes compressed/ 479149 bytes uncompressed : 10 lines description: : This Windows shell for PGP provides use of drag and drop, : encryption/decryption from the clipboard, and auto-detection : of already-encrypted files, as well as a consistent interface : for key management. : This is only a shell. PGP, which *must* be installed first, : handles all the en/de-cryption and signing. Specifically, : the PGPPATH, TZ, and TEMP environment variables must already : be set appropriately before installing JWPS. : Uploaded by the author. : : Comments, questions, bugs, or anything else to: : : jsnyder(a)ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ................................................................ Ari Hovila, ajh(a)uwasa.fi Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Computer Centre, University of Vaasa, Box 700, FIN-65101 Finland

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Internet Relay Chat
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've noticed some discussions of IRC (Internet Relay Chat), both as a possible model for CP interactions, as well as a location for implementations of BlackNet (in #wares, etc.) Note that IRC, unlike MUDS, has been designed to ensure 'true-names'. While you do use nicknames, anyone can find out the machine name and user ID you are logged in from, with a /whois. Anytime you join or leave a channel, your full machine name and user ID is displayed to everyone, along with your nick. This is different from any (possibly pseudonymous) e-mail address you register for incoming mail. In #wares, people typically trade names of unauthorised FSP sites (such as the one in the LaMacchia case), which normally remain active for less than a few weeks. Though entry to IRC channels can be by invitation only, everyone knows everyone else's real (in the sense of machine and ID) identity. Not CP-friendly at all. It would be nice to have a #Cypherpunks channel, though... many of us don't mind revealing our identities to each other, and it could increase the frequency of interactive sessions greatly. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "What is civilisation rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in but a ribonucleic Voicemail +91 11 3760335; Vox/Fax/Data 6853410 hangover?" H-34C Saket New Delhi 110017 INDIA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Programming languages
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This thread on programming languages seems waaaay off the CP agenda. But then, so was the rather interesting thread on futures and derivatives... Tim May says: > My conjecture: 70% of all programmers now coding in C and planning to > learn C++ would be "better off" (more productive, more maintainable > code, fewer reinventings of the low-level wheels, etc.) with > higher-level languages. "Rapid prototyping" is another buzz phrase, > but an accurate one. Well, just as I wouldn't recommend using CASE tools without a working knowledge of C, in case 'ducking down' to a lower level is necessary, I feel that C++ is useful to know as a language with all the OO of, for instance, Smalltalk, and low level capabilities too. I've programmed in many languages and taught C++, and find that what is important for productivity is not higher-level *languages* so much as *environments* -- Smalltalk wouldn't be much fun without one. > In cases where one's reach exceeds one's grasp, as appears to be the > case with all of these crypto ideas, bridging the semantic gap and > actually getting something out is, I think, much more important than > having it run faster (but not be built at all....). Visual programming environments do greatly help in bridging this semantic gap. I don't think the argument against them (slow programs) is really valid, or will remain so for a long time. For most applications, including crypto, environments provide optimized libraries for a number of functions. Most environments, such as Visual C++, provide for links to lower levels, allowing optimization for *really* critical routines. How many people still program in assembly? I do sometimes, but more out of enjoyment than necessity ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "What is civilisation rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in but a ribonucleic Voicemail +91 11 3760335; Vox/Fax/Data 6853410 hangover?" H-34C Saket New Delhi 110017 INDIA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Decentralized BBSes
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mike Ingle <MIKEINGLE(a)delphi.com>: > There are occasional waves of actions against BBSes. The most recent ones > are for porn. Before that it was pirate software and phone codes. The next > one will probably be for "G-files" such as bomb plans - I remember seeing > a message about this. BBSes and online services are inherently vulnerable > because there is a responsible person to persecute. > What we need is a totally decentralized BBS. It would be something like > running Usenet over UUCP. Why not do just that? Many areas of the net transfer mail, and even newsfeeds through UUCP. ERNet, which I'm connected to in India, had to use UUCP for newsfeeds when their connectivity was at 9600 bps, 5 years ago. UUCP doesn't need phone lines or direct connections; private sites could easily hitch a ride on the Internet. Fidonet users have been distributing their message bases worldwide for years. Oh - there *is* a newsgroup, alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.children, which would have been shut down if it were a BBS, and presumably cannot be traced to individuals. I don't know if anything is ever posted to it, though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "What is civilisation rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in but a ribonucleic Voicemail +91 11 3760335; Vox/Fax/Data 6853410 hangover?" H-34C Saket New Delhi 110017 INDIA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Milgram & Authority
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

B >Q: In this book, does it say whether the test subjects were asked B >about their thoughts on this? Did they provide an explanation, from B > B >their own point of view, for their obedience or what they understood B >about the objective of the experiment - before & after? B > B >Blanc The subjects were very upset during and after the experiment. Some broke down while administering "lethal" shocks. They often cried and begged the "researcher" to let them stop zapping the victim. In those cases where a white coated researcher with a clipboard was standing behind them, the subject was much more likely to impose greater shocks than if there was no "researcher" present. The main reason they did it is because they were being told to. Primates have a hard time disobeying authority figures or standing out from the crowd. DCF "Help the Homeless -- Teach them how to sell their identities." See. And you all thought I was a heartless right wing nut. --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165

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Democracies and rights
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

dwomack(a)runner.jpl.utsa.edu (David L Womack): > Adam appears to be of the opinion that we are a democracy...technically, > we are a representative republic. A minor quibble, perhaps, but it leads > to larger issues. > The entire purpose of the structure of our government (seperation of powers, > varied election schedules, powers reserved to the states, the bill of rights > and so forth) is to prevent the suppression of the rights of a minority by > the majority. At least, that is the ideal! Political discussions tend to become elitist, or purely intellectual. Lenin, who read Marx, discussed the problems of equality among the peasants, who couldn't read their shopping lists. > If the majority of people decide that ownership of firearms is counter to the > interests of society, will we take away this option? ... if the same majority > decides that decent people don't need privacy ... > Why not, the *_majority_* is all for it! When 'the *_majority_* is all for' something, and you ignore that on the basis of minority rights, to enforce your policy you graduate from a representative republic towards benevelant authoritarianism. Of course, the basis of democracy, rights, and 'civilized society' is an educated, moderate populace, where the majority does not let issues overwhelm their respect for those rights. But then, what happened during the McCarthy era? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "What is civilisation rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in but a ribonucleic Voicemail +91 11 3760335; Vox/Fax/Data 6853410 hangover?" H-34C Saket New Delhi 110017 INDIA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Rights are on the CP agenda
by tim werner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 08:19:59 -0400 >From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)snark.imsi.com> > >rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in says: >> While public housing projects may not be on the CP agenda, the >> confict between a mob-like majority willing, in order 'to reduce >> crime,' to impinge on the rights of minorities with different >> opinions is *definitely* something to discuss here. If enough >> criminals start using PGP, there may well be similar pressure in >> favour of Clipper. > >I would suggest that this topic is not appropriate here. I'm sure its >appropriate -- in other places -- but if we do not focus on >cryptography, many people will be forced to leave this mailing list >and the quality will degrade. > >Perry Perry, I would suggest that you leave the list if you don't like it. Your only contributions have been snide little flames, anyway. tw

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