December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Dead list???
by ER CRAMER 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Is this list dead or isn't nobody writing on it??? Or ain't I subscribed anymore??? ... If you outlaw Privacy, only Outlaws will have Privacy! Eelco Cramer <crame001(a)hio.tem.nhl.nl> ------ - -------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBLf67RIDAdPKe9hHLAQF6xwQAuK3c/+gEKuws22S2Qh9qXveCKHSUw5WE tCrRpMUU2zcKGbZMRaGGF2UOuElT0v5jxfENYL1XQlSvlNTPMSLOFkFQ0T3XV1oh DnDl0tctgU8dwSxTqGKRuAfYQ5cuyqWPLc9TBMk6mMz7xCJJwIb3oGDtSvTlX0/L 0k8KyObm8yI= =um6V -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Waco in cyberspace
by bchappe%sunoco＠relay.nswc.navy.mil 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >In the June 6 issue of the New Yorker is an interesting story by >John Seabrook (who did the email interview with Bill Gates) about >getting flamed and how violated and uspset it made him. Lots of not >explicitly stated suggestion that maybe somebody will need to control >all this, and some very confusing material suggesting to the non-technical >that viruses or worms may be sent via email messages. "Is this free speech?". >But the chilling passage in the article is on page 77 where the writer says > >>Dr. Clinton C. Brooks, the N.S.A.'s lead scientist on the Clipper Chip >>told me, "You won't have a Waco in Texas, you'll have a Waco in cyberspace. >>You could have a cult, spaeking to each other through encyrption, that >>suddenly erupts in society - well programmed, well organized - and then >>suddenly disappears again." > >Getting scared yet? > >-Steve

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LIST: List Maintenance
by hugh＠ecotone.toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have restored the backup of the list from June 11th, and merged it with the list as of a few minutes ago. Some list users who signed up again in the last three days are now signed up twice for the list (due to signing up from a different machine or having changed your name). If you are getting two copyies of the posting to the list, send majordomo(a)toad.com a "unsubscribe cypherpunks" command from the machine that you don't want the list going to. If you still have problems after trying that, please contact us via cypherpunks-owner(a)toad.com or majordomo-owner(a)toad.com and we will fix it by hand. Enjor, and write code and doc! ||ugh Daniel Sometimes Postmaster hugh(a)toad.com

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Re: Waco in cyberspace
by landmann＠facstaff.wisc.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:53 6/15/94 +0500, Brett Chappell wrote: >>>Dr. Clinton C. Brooks, the N.S.A.'s lead scientist on the Clipper Chip >>>told me, "You won't have a Waco in Texas, you'll have a Waco in cyberspace. >>>You could have a cult, spaeking to each other through encyrption, that >>>suddenly erupts in society - well programmed, well organized - and then >>>suddenly disappears again." The folks in Waco hadn't committed any great crime, and would have continued in their secluded existence for quite some time had the ATF not seen fit to provide a catalyst. I suppose that cyberspace, with its potential anonymity and privacy, would be the stuff ATF nightmares are made of.. NO DOORS TO KICK DOWN, and GUNS are PRETTY USELESS in CYBERSPACE!! :-) -Tom =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Thomas Landmann E-mail: landmann(a)facstaff.wisc.edu DoIT Network Systems Technology Compuserve: 76020,2055 1210 W Dayton Street, Rm 4220 AX.25: N9UDL @ WD9ESU.#SCWI.WI.NOAM Office: 608.263.1650 Home: 608.277.1115 =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= >>> Waiting for "Chicago"? Try Linux *NOW* instead! <<<

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instructions on how to get PGP 2.6
by ecarp＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Could someone email me the directions on how and where to get PGP 2.6? I have the directions, but they're sitting at home in my mailbox, and I'm 2 hour away from home. :( Thanks in advance... :) - -- Ed Carp, N7EKG/VE3 Ed.Carp(a)linux.org, ecarp(a)netcom.com Finger ecarp(a)netcom.com for PGP 2.5 public key an88744(a)anon.penet.fi If you want magic, let go of your armor. Magic is so much stronger than steel! -- Richard Bach, "The Bridge Across Forever" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.5 iQCVAgUBLf8d8SS9AwzY9LDxAQGMrgP/UobsKNKlYJgJDJJkgM1I9JF5P4jnXaYW QD4/3WzMkMdnI0+hxWTMRfgFru3gXoG7gCeE8qXyhzr0s2VkK4VJOD0t1fEMar6D Sxwbwj847ecymIEIc+lFTVPalEOmpQfYILJ/RKQzlZ2weMKh1hzbL9681LDiedIa VtUtZE20TmA= =LcB6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: instructions on how to get PGP 2.6
by ecarp＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to the folks who responded to this - I got the instructions, and retrieved pgp 2.6. Thanks again for the very swift responses! :) -- Ed Carp, N7EKG/VE3 Ed.Carp(a)linux.org, ecarp(a)netcom.com Finger ecarp(a)netcom.com for PGP 2.5 public key an88744(a)anon.penet.fi If you want magic, let go of your armor. Magic is so much stronger than steel! -- Richard Bach, "The Bridge Across Forever"

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NIST's ftp site
by jim＠bilbo.suite.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A couple of days ago, somebody mentioned that NIST's public ftp site contained the FIPS for DES in text form (I think the post was in a reply to "Massive ITAR Violation!"). Could somebody mail me a copy of that post, I deleted it and now I wish I hadn't. Also, what is the Internet address of NIST's ftp site? Thanks, Jim_Miller(a)suite.com

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Brooks Statement on Crypto
by David Banisar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The following statement by Rep. Jack Brooks (D-TX) was today entered in the Congressional Record and transmitted to the House Intelligence Committee. Rep. Brooks is Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and played a key role in the passage of the Computer Security Act of 1987 when he served as Chairman of the House Government Operations Committee. David Sobel <sobel(a)epic.org> Legal Counsel Electronic Privacy Information Center ============================================================= ENCRYPTION POLICY ENDANGERS U.S. COMPETITIVENESS IN GLOBAL MARKETPLACE For some time now, a debate has been raging in the media and in the halls of Congress over the Administration's intention to require U.S. corporations to use and market the Clipper Chip, an encryption device developed in secret by the National Security Agency. The Clipper Chip will provide industry and others with the ability to encode telephone and computer communications. The use of the Clipper Chip as the U.S. encryption standard is a concept promoted by both the intelligence and law enforcement communities because it is designed with a back door to make it relatively easy for these agencies to listen in on these communications. The law enforcement and intelligence communities have a legitimate concern that advances in technology will make their jobs more difficult. But the issue here is whether attempts to restrict the development, use and export of encryption amounts to closing the barn door after the horse has already escaped. The notion that we can limit encryption is just plain fanciful. Encryption technology is available worldwide -- and will become more available as time goes on. First, generally available software with encryption capabilities is sold within the U.S. at thousands of retail outlets, by mail, even, over the phone. These programs may be transferred abroad in minutes by anyone using a public telephone line and a computer modem. Second, it is estimated that over 200 products from some 22 countries -- including Great Britain, France, Germany, Russia, Japan, India, and South Africa -- use some form of the encryption that the Government currently prohibits U.S. companies from exporting. According to the May 16, 1994 issue of _Fortune_, not only are U.S. companies willing to purchase foreign encryption devices, American producers of encrypted software are also moving production overseas to escape the current export controls. Third, encryption techniques and technology are well understood throughout the world. Encryption is routinely taught in computer science programs. Text books explain the underlying encryption technology. International organizations have published protocols for implementing high level encryption. Actual implementations of encryption -- programs ready to use by even computer novices -- are on the Internet. The only result of continued U.S. export controls is to threaten the continued preeminence of America's computer software and hardware companies in world markets. These restrictive policies jeopardize the health of American companies, and the jobs and revenues they generate. I support, therefore, the immediate revision of current export controls over encryption devices to comport with the reality of worldwide encryption availability. I believe law enforcement and the intelligence community would be better served by finding real, and targeted ways to deal with international terrorists and criminals rather than promoting scattershot policies, which restrict American industries' ability to design, produce and market technology. Now -- more than ever -- we cannot afford to harm our economic competitiveness and justify it in the name of national security.

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[ANSWER] NIST's ftp site
by jim＠bilbo.suite.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to all who responded to my question. The answer is: csrc.ncsl.nist.gov Also, apparently, source for DES was in Appendix A of the file "/pub/nistpubs/fips181.txt". However, it was removed and replaced with the following: Appendix A This section contained a listing of the source code referenced in the Automated Password Generator Standard. This section is not available in electronic form. Complete copies of FIPS 181, including this appendix, may be purchased in hardcopy from the National Technical Information Service (NTIS) via mail or telephone. National Technical Information Service U.S. Department of Commerce 5285 Port Royal Road Springfield, VA 22161 (703) 487-4650 Order by FIPSPUB181 Price: $22.50 (Same address and phone number for discount prices on quantity orders.) -------------- I wonder if they'll ship to an address outside of the US or Canada? I wonder if the people who package and mail the stuff even look at it? Jim_Miller(a)suite.com

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Decline and Fall
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Decline and Fall of the Nation State: Tuesday's WSJ had an article on how private money market funds are starting to jawbone foreign governments just like the World Bank used to. Case cited was Fidelity Investments calling Mexican bank officials during the Peso crisis after the recent assasination. They said "we'll invest another $18 billion (of ours and other fund's money) if you do what we say and if not..." DCF "If they hadn't killed quite so many people, you'd almost have to feel sorry for them." --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165

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