December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

WWW Acronyms (was Re: Cypherpunks' mail database does exist)
by Vincent.Cate＠FURMINT.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Gary Jeffers: > Vincent, you state that a fully archived, indexed cypherpunks >mailing list exists as: >http://pmip.maricopa.edu/crypt/cypherpunks/cypherpunks.src >Ok, so I ftp'ed to pmip.maricopa.edu & tried to get to cypherpunks.src, >but even the subdirectories weren't there. The "http" is for "Hyper-Text Transport Protocol". This is not FTP, though it is a protocol similar in function to FTP. It is used by "WWW" (World Wide Web) of which Mosaic is the most popular implementation. If you have Mosaic, you can just give the above path. If you do not have mosaic, you should spend some time trying to get it. Mosaic makes it really easy to quickly move through lots of information on the net. Mosaic is a point and click hypertext interface. You can FTP to ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu and go into Mosaic. You also have a typo, it is "Cypherpunks.src" with a capital C. WWW has a simple language for writting your own hypertext documents - "HTML" (Hyper Text Markup Language). You can think of this as sort of like Troff, LaTeX or Postscript, but for hypertext documents. One page of HTML can make dozens of normal files easy to access. For example, my README.html security page points to many normal files: ftp://furmint.nectar.cs.cmu.edu/security/README.html It turns out that the mail database is really in "WAIS" (Wide Area Information Server). You can use WAIS directly, though I think it is easier to use through mosaic. To use WAIS you would do: ws -h pmip.maricopa.edu -d cpindex/Cypherpunks <keyword> The "ws" may be "waissearch" on your system. You can get lots of info on WAIS from ftp://wais.think.com/comp.infosystems.wais-FAQ As someone pointed out, this "http" method does not yet work with "lynx" (a text only implementation of WWW) on the cypherpunks mail database. It seems it will take a new version of lynx or WAIS for this to work. But the Unix "xmosaic" works fine. :-) This form of global filename starting with something like "ftp://", "http://", "gopher://" etc is also part of the WWW architecture. These names are called "URLs" for Universal Resource Locator. Well, that is probably enough acronyms for today. :-) -- Vince PS I only read cypherpunks once a day, some time after midnight when my collection for the day is done.

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remail@c2.org key
by sameer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The previous posting of the remail(a)c2.org key was wrong. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAi3/6FIAAAEEANggWtLprhvPDAdv503F5vChmF5jadD16dBke2yuP5iJwt0i X0eJC7dFoimNp03Cm7pkn5SkGr3i3hjtKLQGtneKNfdp29ELisOc9wMLiBMP46q3 Sr/9RseAt5Nnt4fW2Efi6xO8QLiMVG837gd5pEpXOqJ2FMCikEMvwOz0/VotAAUR tCtUaGUgTkVYVVMtQmVya2VsZXkgUmVtYWlsZXIgPHJlbWFpbEBjMi5vcmc+iQCV AgUQLf/owHi7eNFdXppdAQEctAP/aK+rTQxs5J8ev1ZtnYpGZPIEezQeC8z8kRdN jUKF7CutVLy09izYDSdonuHFyWoHtLb1RUj5fGUFhOzwmJTMlTRzEx8i2a1bKdmQ qPGNu2iVKIitkSSVZvz7vHXM+ZUFTSC4LGWsECukEONEeyGy+ehG3ON0vx1ATqY5 /ATzPpo= =N0yt -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Niemoeller and remailer chaining
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Ezekial Palmer <vikram!an60011(a)anon.penet.fi> > Reply-To: Ezekial Palmer <vikram!na60011(a)anon.penet.fi> > > ----Father Niemoeller > > So, why'd you "forget" the start of the quote?? > > Zeke > > In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I > wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because > I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up Actually I didn't have a written reference, so I really _did_ forget the first line. Though I think the quote is a appropriate for all of us, particularly in this forum, I'll probably excise it from my .sig. I find other people's 20 line sigs irritating, so... PS. Why do you remail through extropia when you advertise your penet ID? Isn't the advantage of chaining that only the final remailer is known? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out, for I was not one They came for the Jews, and I was silent because I was not a Jew; rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in They came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not protest, because I did not Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 belong to a trade union; Voicemail +91 11 3760335 They came for the Catholics, and I said nothing because I was not a Catholic; H 34C Saket And then they came for me. New Delhi There was no one left to say anything... INDIA ----Father Niemoeller

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Deja vu...
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:53:36 +0500 > From: vikram!bchappe%sunoco(a)relay.nswc.navy.mil (Brett Chappell) > >In the June 6 issue of the New Yorker is an interesting story by > >John Seabrook (who did the email interview with Bill Gates) about > >getting flamed and how violated and uspset it made him. Lots of not > > [Waco in cyberspace etc] Deja vu, anyone? Maybe Brett didn't see this and the long thread that followed it on this list. Maybe whoever it was who posted a second copy of the latest EFFector hadn't caught it the first time. Since I, and probably most of us, subscribe to EFFector, this was the _third_ copy that appeared in two days. This sort of thing keeps happening. Now I'm not complaining ;) and would be the last to want some centralized distribution of such material. But since Stanton posts everything from the EFF anyway, why don't we leave it to him? Ideally we'd have one poster for each of these publications (EFF, CPSR, WIRED...) Another thing: when I archive posts or forward them elsewhere, I keep the Subject, From, To, Cc, and Date lines in the header intact. That way, when a cpunk post migrates to alt.abuse.recovery, no one will repost it here. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out, for I was not one They came for the Jews, and I was silent because I was not a Jew; rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in They came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not protest, because I did not Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 belong to a trade union; Voicemail +91 11 3760335 They came for the Catholics, and I said nothing because I was not a Catholic; H 34C Saket And then they came for me. New Delhi There was no one left to say anything... INDIA ----Father Niemoeller

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NIST DES source
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jim(a)bilbo.suite.com (Jim Miller): > I wonder if [NIST will] ship [hard copies of DES source code] to an address > outside of the US or Canada? I wonder if the people who package and mail > the stuff even look at it? Doesn't really matter, does it? Printed source code is available in hundreds of places, and doesn't require a CJR for export. Schneier's _book_ never had trouble; just the disk. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out, for I was not one They came for the Jews, and I was silent because I was not a Jew; rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in They came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not protest, because I did not Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 belong to a trade union; Voicemail +91 11 3760335 They came for the Catholics, and I said nothing because I was not a Catholic; H 34C Saket And then they came for me. New Delhi There was no one left to say anything... INDIA ----Father Niemoeller

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Re: NYT Article about Clipper (fwd)
by tabe＠newsdesk.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

kafka(a)desert.hacktic.nl (3133+ |>00|>) writes: > >- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.3a > >iQCVAgUBLe4igxVg/9j67wWxAQGV3AP7BYrXK/G1YKwwCwzgjSsMDXaDiG6s8oY9 >jCKKOGNKNX5X5EhpuzrdNDOEEjGTEvQEONZR9scc77Fx1ZSaR629QlykRIzAY3WA >hd1mbgYcfwznY/oAPgoLkTWamMSpuyYK1fIPU/RMVh4RQypfcbUzcZDf42Ho25tI >WL1l1isAFio= >=aID9 >- -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >== kafka(a)desert.hacktic.nl: Cryptoanarchy, MDMA, Tekkkno, SL-1200 == > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.5 > >iQBVAgUBLe/1fpRymF15lPcFAQHLrwIAmu78WNJkjMfRgxECOtkcU+AhpU3wpSI/ >mkfarK1DtOBbdw9P6y3VkuO8HmIcYhU6NBVxLCVRNnS7GKH5gf3uVQ== >=k7c1 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Very interesting (again

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Cypherpunks on WWW
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

V.> V.>As someone pointed out, this "http" method does not yet work with V.>"lynx" (a text only implementation of WWW) on the cypherpunks mail V.>database. It seems it will take a new version of lynx or WAIS for V.>this V.>to work. But the Unix "xmosaic" works fine. :-) V.> I've been trying to get this to work for weeks with Mosaic for Windows (the latest Alpha version). I don't get it to display as an .html document. I see it as an ordinary text file just like I used to with Lynx. I wonder why? DCF --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165

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Another dumb question... proving dates
by dfloyd＠runner.utsa.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I could not find this anywhere, so I will torture you all again... In the RSA FAQ, it states how one can set up a server to do time and date stamping of documents, but I know of no Internet service that will do this. Is there a way I can send a document to some agency/server and have it time and date stamped with their public key? Thanks in advance,

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Larry King show
by bchappe%sunoco＠relay.nswc.navy.mil 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Did anybody see the Larry King Live show last night (6/15)? He had Al Gore & others on, talking about the nations future information infrastructure. There were a few words about the Clipper. Gore said something like, "There are people out there who think that it's o.k. to do away with the FBI's ability to tap the communications of terrorists & drug lords." He went on to describe a future scenario where a terrorist group is able to detonate a nuclear device in an urban area because they can have secure communications. The show was pretty one-sided. Brett

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Maricopa archive is WAIS indexed
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

whitaker(a)dpair.csd.sgi.com (Russell Whitaker): > On Jun 15, 2:51pm, Gary Jeffers wrote: > > Subject: Cypherpunks' mail database does exist > > Vincent, you state that a fully archived, indexed cypherpunks > > mailing list exists as: > > http://pmip.maricopa.edu/crypt/cypherpunks/cypherpunks.src As Russell says, this is a web site. Actually, it isn't. The archive is not a web, in that it isn't the ideal hypertexted dream we all have. But it does have an extensive index, through wais. If you want to search for something in particular, you can try (with a URL browser, like lynx/mosaic) wais://pmipii.dist.maricopa.edu:210/crypt/Cypherpunks.src?remailer I forget the path, it'll show up when you try the http; the ? after the filename is followed by a wais search string, such as 'remailer'. You should be able to use a wais client to access this. I don't know how _old_ the archive is... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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