December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Milgram & Authority
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

E>Milgram had 66% go to the end of the board with the subjects believing E>they had killed a person with electric shock. Sorry I didn't see this thread before it trailed off into personal disputes. One of my favorites. Anyone interested in liberty or politics should have read "Obedience to Authority" in which the results of this experiment are reported for popular consumption. ************ Search term: milgram Milgram, Stanley -------------------------------- The American social psychologist Stanley Milgram, b. New York City, Aug. 15,1933, d. Dec. 20, 1984, gained wide recognition for the experiments described in his book. Obedience to Authority (1974). In one, "technicians" urged participants to give a series of electric shocks of increasingly higher voltage to "subjects" who had incorrectly answered questions. About 60 percent compiled. No voltage was actually applied: the subjects were actors who feigned agony. Milgram took the results as proof that ordinary people will inflict pain on innocent people when commanded by an authoritative figure. ************ There was also a made for TV movie starring William Shatner as the researcher. Helps you understand "how they could do that" when confronted with atrocities. DCF "Why did you use force or violence to overthrow the government of the United States?" "I vuz only followink ourders!" --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165

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Help in Albuquerque
by Whitney, Mara 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Cypherpunks,, I have a native american activist friend, who lives near Albuquerque, and who is currently not connected to the net. He wishes to find information about net connectivity and also has concerns about privacy of electronic communication. Is there anyone out there who can assist? Thank you very much, Mara Whitney (maraw(a)fs-gate.uchicago.edu)

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taming the wild pgp
by Matt Thomlinson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't see a huge problem here with keys being added, unless someone starts sending the keyserver's databases to the remailers in an effort to crash them. I can only think of one way around it -- recompiling with the key-adding procedure commented out (at least for the version the remailer uses). If you need to add keys, use the version you've already compiled. Matt Thomlinson University of Washington, Seattle, Washington. phone: (206) 548-9804 Check my home page -- ftp://ftp.u.washington.edu/public/phantom/home.html PGP 2.2 key available via email, or finger phantom(a)hardy.u.washington.edu

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anti-clipper t-shirt
by iplus1hope＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am amazed at the response to the anti-clipper t-shirt we created. If you still haven't received your shirt, we apologize for the delay. Since word spread around the Net, we have received hundreds of orders. A picture of the shirt was included last week in an article in The Washington Post! We have gotten orders from well-known cyber authors and an MTV veejay. I wonder if Al Gore saw it... As information has spread, it seems to have gotten a bit diluted. Here is the information. The shirt says "Don't Give Big Brother a Master Key. Terminate Clipper Now." It has a graphic of a skeleton key on a chip. The shirts are XL and black only. I can't evaluate our own work, but everybody seems to like it a lot. We accept COD orders at iplus1hope(a)aol.com ($14.50) and check orders ($12.50) at PO Box 59152 Renton, WA 98058. Thanks. Paul Clark

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Clipper Session Key
by Mats Bergstrom 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How do two Clipper/Capstone/Skipjack/Teressa units agree on a session key without compromising it to the bad guys tapping the line? If not known outside of the NSA, what possible solutions are there?

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Re: THE FREEDOM DAEMON - PART DOUX
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Gary Jeffers writes: > There has been some criticism of the ethics of my THE FREEDOM DAEMON post. > The freedom daemon is a proposed software machine for a proposed > future in which a police state captures the Internet. It did look a lot like fiction rather than a plan for real code. But parts of it didn't look like good ideas. > Under a police state & in times of strife, ethics change & > things that were at one time unthinkable become quite thinkable. Ethics don't change - some people just make different decisions about whether to apply them or not. Sometimes the applications are different, if your ethics tell you to treat bad guys differently from good guys and other people have changed sides. > However, this speculation was just a flight of fancy, so go back to > sleep & don't worry your precious little heads. Same to you, bud :-) Bill Stewart

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Wow, what a key!
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | "You know it's the Turn of the Century when a girl in a bar gives you her | | e-mail address on a napkin."-Sean P. Kane | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| 1023 Byte PGP Public Key Avaliable Upon Request. (c)1994 by: Sean Padraic Kane ^^^^ Now that's a PGP key!

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Id List.... Release?
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have a pretty good list of ID's and their characteristics, and I'm about ready to make the list available. I thought I might try something to make it interesting. The list will be available to anyone who provides me with 10 tacky tokens from the magic money application. We'll see how this work. (s) My public key is below. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3 mQCPAizHPkIAAAEEAOKHLAIvCncQq/RANzQT56keJSfF/acDU3ZJlUpV4Dh2Vs7u Z5TXhF9GYrG7RVAdqYl+Vm7NkWEfvplVwWTCL2800jV96AV3UwBfmKYA7FkP+Q2W dir7k8694/kHneuxwXuQaEkkCF3W61wCCEWgj2oey74rc+BfyRibHbaiMfO5ABEB AAG0KEJsYWNrIFVuaWNvcm4gPHVuaWNvcm5AYWNjZXNzLmRpZ2V4Lm5ldD6JAJUC BRAv6i74GJsdtqIx87kBAdNYA/9/26Md1Ja9f8pa0S1RW1m6sFzweCd/66ovd2uI iQGQOBbica5tFllDA+ftzDbrFdF52QQFyXjdWaPWRQXKagudCAypqeN6Xw/Es0Hs BT+B+/jqQ9op21ZslGC02YmwcmSYhjHYFVjHiraEFFY4hWodEvKqMlwp3oaz5WEI XTYd7okAlQIFEC2PMBSYSxy3DyA5JQEBabcD/3mBj/tbg46B2l0RxfQGVBU4EY38 dAqJ7z0ZUQB3vLP0LC/xShFSIUzHBvIVvBqxNdLhAiBSq0no/NiW1eItJz94UfM2 GFrPnIyTq3DDilTEJJnHeKm1CETsB7yZNFKBegpGVqI1SvYCgLTgj79tVRR1MHbX zsbPGpdIFjKvAmkJ =LRaO -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- I threw in the magic money bit so perry wouldn't complain that my message had nothing to do with cryptography. :) -uni- (Dark)

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Re: Wow, what a key!
by jim＠Tadpole.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There is a 'pick her locks' joke here, but I'm not going to make it.

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Re: Schneier's source code
by tim werner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 16:20:22 -0700 >From: Phil Karn <karn(a)qualcomm.com> > >Oh come on, all this talk about OCR makes it sound like nobody would ever >be willing to just type in the code by hand. It only need be done once, >and the task could easily be divided up for a group. The listings for any >particular cipher just aren't that long. After you do it, would you send me a copy? :-) But seriously, isn't the point that you may make some silly typing mistake that compiles anyway, but ruins the algorithm? tw

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