December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Wow, what a key!
by jim＠Tadpole.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There is a 'pick her locks' joke here, but I'm not going to make it.

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Re: Schneier's source code
by tim werner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 16:20:22 -0700 >From: Phil Karn <karn(a)qualcomm.com> > >Oh come on, all this talk about OCR makes it sound like nobody would ever >be willing to just type in the code by hand. It only need be done once, >and the task could easily be divided up for a group. The listings for any >particular cipher just aren't that long. After you do it, would you send me a copy? :-) But seriously, isn't the point that you may make some silly typing mistake that compiles anyway, but ruins the algorithm? tw

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Re: Black Net
by an52210＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

killbarny(a)aol.com once said: KI> Has anyone heard of BlackNet? BlackNet is in the business of buying, selling, KI> trading, and otherwise dealing with information in all its many forms. KI> KI> Through PGP and anonymous remailers, the folks at BlackNet plan to create a KI> huge black market in data: trade secrets, processes, production methods, KI> nanotechnology, privacy databases, and chemical manufacturing. KI> KI> The only way to get in is to find a BlackNet-oriented message (one with the KI> BlackNet PGP key), then respond to it, using anonymous remailers and PGP. KI> KI> It might be found in <alt.extropians> or <alt.fan.davidsternlight>. If anyone KI> knows about this [or their address/key], please send. As far as I know, blacknet was one of the spoofs Detweiler (tmp(a)netcom.com) made to make the cypherpunks list look bad. I'm not sure if it was a Detweiler spoof, but if it wasn't, BlackNet is definitively cool. I couldn't find the original BlackNet posting, maybe somebody could repost it ? Dead Socket ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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F Y I
by Judith Milhon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Wow, what a key!
by jamiel＠sybase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:29 PM 04/25/94 +0600, Jim Thompson wrote: >There is a 'pick her locks' joke here, but I'm not going to make it. OK boys, when you wanna talk crypto let the girls on the list know. -j (Yawning at the thought of a 'key') jamie -- "Sure, people mistake me for straight, but when I do get someone in bed,that's when being a femme *really* pays off." -Bryna Bank, on Butch/Femme jamie lawrence jamiel(a)sybase.com

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Re: Warrentlesss SEarches
by sonny＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry said: > > > As much as I agree, this is not a message about cryptography. > > Perry > > James Hicks says: > > > Last time I checked, this country was a democracy. The guy who started the > > > searches had to get permission from the people living in the apartment to > > > start the searches. If most of the people in the building thought it was > > > a good idea, then the majority can't be wrong, right? > > > > > > > Adam Gerstein > > > > > > Didn't Pontius Pilate have a similar argument? I apologize. > > > > > > +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > | james hicks | Give me your tired, your poor, | > > | <sonny(a)netcom.com> | your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, | > > | ...can you hear | Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.| > > | the music?... | I lift my lamp beside the golden door! | > > +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ >

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RE: Milgram & Authority
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Duncan Frissell Anyone interested in liberty or politics should have read "Obedience to Authority" in which the results of this experiment are reported for popular consumption. ************ Helps you understand "how they could do that" when confronted with atrocities. .............................................. Q: In this book, does it say whether the test subjects were asked about their thoughts on this? Did they provide an explanation, from their own point of view, for their obedience or what they understood about the objective of the experiment - before & after? Blanc

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Re: Wow, what a key!
by jim＠Tadpole.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Doug Barnes and I are so very close to a DH telnet (based on the Bezerkley code) that you might want to wait a bit. I apologise if I managed to offend anyone with the 'joke'. Jim

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Re: "Information-Hiding" in Crypto Programs
by fnerd＠smds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim about raising the programming language level for crypto applications. He Orients toward Objects... > I'm not saying _how_ they would help, just that my intuition is that > the crypto community could make new strides if the imperative style of > programming ("do this," "now do this," etc.) were to be supplemented > with the descriptive style ("this is a digital cash object and these > are the messages it understands") and even the logical style (of > Prolog, for example). There are a couple different issues you could hide in a language for crypto. Obviously you can abstract bignums, numbers with a modulus, matrices, ...mathematical objects, and that would get a lot of cobwebs out of the way in many crypto algorithms. Even a Bignum Basic that could do fast modmult would be nice. Or you could make objects out of the data structures, like keys, message blocks, key rings, etc., and their operations. That would be nice because you could separate the layer of calculation from the layer of protocol. But the protocol programming would still be in an imperative style. Which has its good points. I do a lot of work in a scripting language that has procedures and lists and strings and that's about it. But the rules are understandable and it ends up the language is *readable* in the sense that you can look at a procedure and get a good idea of what it's doing without stretching your concepts too much. Which I think would be a good feature for a crypto language, especially one for experimentation, teaching and tossing ideas around. I think the language I work in gets readability by its plodding, structured-programming, imperative style (it also uses plodding long names for things). But of course protocols and transactions are big things in crypto, and they take place in time, which leads to thoughts about special control structures to handle them. Structures in time are actually one of the nifty things to implement with objects. You can have an object that stands for a whole conversation in a protocol--sort of like a file handle. So you have operations like (in no particular language): conversation = Protocol.new( some parameters ); conversation.send( message ); conversation.receive( message ); conversation.end(); You can also use objects to implement protocol layers, like: conversation0 = Protocol0.new( ... ); conversation1 = Protocol1.new( conversation0, ... ); conversation1.send( message ); ... (Some amazing things can be done with operations on objects that represent sequences in time. In the book _The Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs_, one chapter develops a Prolog interpreter as a bunch of layered stream filters. Oops, I digress.) Another area you might want to separate out of the heart of crypto programs is I/O, both with the user and with the rest of the system--the mail system, for instance. -fnerd - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Gradually, I become aware of a presence. Between me and sustenance stands a woman in a suit. --Michael Swaine -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a aKxB8nktcBAeQHabQP/d7yhWgpGZBIoIqII8cY9nG55HYHgvt3niQCVAgUBLMs3K ui6XaCZmKH68fOWYYySKAzPkXyfYKnOlzsIjp2tPEot1Q5A3/n54PBKrUDN9tHVz 3Ch466q9EKUuDulTU6OLsilzmRvQJn0EJhzd4pht6hSnC1R3seYNhUYhoJViCcCG sRjLQs4iVVM= =9wqs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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CA fingerprinting welfare applicants?
by jim＠bilbo.suite.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has California has recently begun fingerprinting welfare applicants to help detect attempts at welfare cheating? I saw the tail-end of a news clip about this on Headline News a couple of weeks ago, but I didn't catch the whole report. Jim_Miller(a)suite.com

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