December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: picture signatures
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While timestamps do have some use for pictures, they're more limited in what they'll do for you. Paul Baclace suggested that if you have the oldest secure timestamp for a given picture, then you can prove it's yours. Some problems include: - NOT having the timestamp doesn't prove it's NOT yours, whereas a signature is real good evidence. - If somebody changes one or more bits of the picture, your timestamp is no longer valid; the same is of course true with signatures. But with signatures, you can demonstrate *who* you got the picture from, whereas timestamps don't do that very well (though I suppose you could accept signed timestamps as well as acceptingsigned pictures.) - Timestamps are more anonymous, but you can achieve the same effect with signatures by creating a random public-private key pair to signing each picture, and then demonstrate knowledge of the private key if you need to prove ownership. On the other hand, secure timestamps *do* give you timestamping, which signatures by themselves don't, so it's certainly a valuable addition. Bill

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Re: Merry Christmas, Cyberanarchists
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sending mail to anXXXXX(a)anon.penet.fi compromises your anon.penet.fi id, unless you're careful to use passwords, and if you're sending the message directly, you can switch the format to naXXXXX(a)anon.penet.fi. But, - Does the cypherpunks mailing list have any anXXXXX(a)anon.penet.fi subscribers, or is Eric careful to switch them to naXXXXX in the list? - Is there any way to tell? - If mail is forwarded, either by something like cypherpunks that patches up header lines, or by someone else (e.g. a forger, or some cypherpunks subscriber, or somebody forwarding their mail to their anXXXXX account), will that also compromise the id, or will that just compromise the id of the forwarder, if known? - How good is anon.penet.fi about checking this stuff for non-passworded users? Thanks; Bill Stewart # Bill Stewart NCR Corp, 6870 Koll Center Parkway, Pleasanton CA, 94566 # Voice/Beeper 510-224-7043, Phone 510-484-6204 # email bill.stewart(a)pleasantonca.ncr.com billstewart(a)attmail.com Anonymous-P.S.: Also thanks from an anonymous Finnish news-poster :-)

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Re: Encryption and Self-Incrimination
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wasn't actually the person who said self-incrimination protections don't apply; that was somebody replying to my post; unlike Mike Godwin, I'm not that pessimistic yet (nor am I a lawyer), though a few badly defended cases would be all it takes to get some bad Federal precedents set. Mike Ingle sent me a reply with a bit more information; the case is in Canada, and if I'm not misinterpreting it (I read his reply way too late at night :-), the wiretapping was by the University (presumably with sniffers or equivalent), and I'm not sure if the police are involved yet or if this is still in the university investigation phase. Rules for throwing people out of school are of course different from rules for throwing people in jail, Canadian rules are different, and some universities have honor codes which simplify some of the processes. (Some other universities have minimal respect for due process, which also simplifies things a lot, albeit negatively.) Bill # Bill Stewart NCR Corp, 6870 Koll Center Parkway, Pleasanton CA, 94566 # Voice/Beeper 510-224-7043, Phone 510-484-6204 # email bill.stewart(a)pleasantonca.ncr.com billstewart(a)attmail.com

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Happy Holidays
by bart＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As one who reflexively deletes all of Larry's posts under whatever his name-of-the-moment may be, I sometimes wonder if I'm missing some gems hidden in the mass of text. I have presumed, and hope, that those still reading him, will share anything of value. :-)

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Re: Happy Holidays
by jkreznar＠ininx.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Especially in this season of good will, the idea that ``taxation'' and ``civility'' are somehow compatible cannot go unchallenged. Above all, ``civility'' must mean that relations among people be by mutual consent, or not at all. Government is the institutionalization of exactly the reverse: the imposition by the politically victorious upon all others, the forceful supplanting of personal choice by collective dictate. It's the institutionalization of enmity. Democratic political government, aka tyranny of the majority, will soon succeed in inducing a new dark age on Earth, one that may never end. An individual who yearns to be free must overcome his mortality and leave the Earth. This will soon be practical. Meanwhile, strong cryptography and the cypherpunk agenda may provide a temporary defense. John E. Kreznar | Relations among people to be by jkreznar(a)ininx.com | mutual consent, or not at all. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLRq8rcDhz44ugybJAQEJIgQAq2FO6b9GvgSmpcP1H5qIP8rkDMH5FEu9 6FNxMt+jLofPFMz7NtbgqcXg45KlZXBzdPgiCQKLWKTjcG1e2KF+4wB34gIIPDTF fMOFVDh3f3cNTojBVcFUvMpdC3p+Z/qTy90jgEoVoqWj8NpbBVqqbMegpiNlGePg glsqEaKMh6A= =/W55 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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mail poster
by Eric Hollander 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry for the crossposting, but: I've added a new service to my remailer. For those of you for whom it is easier to send mail than to post directly to the net, or for those of you who want to post anonymously, I now offer a posting service. To use this service, send mail like this: To: hh(a)soda.berkeley.edu Post-To: alt.sex.masturbation Subject: what I like to do and your mail will be automatically posted to alt.sex.masturbation, WITH YOUR NAME ON IT. If you would like to post anonymously, use the following header format: To: hh(a)soda.berkeley.edu Anon-Post-To: alt.sex.masturbation Subject: what I like to do and it will be posted ANONYMOUSLY. If you would like to crosspost, use the following type of header (note that there is no space after the coma): To: hh(a)soda.berkeley.edu Anon-Post-To: alt.sex.masturbation,rec.arts.sewing Subject: what it's all about But be warned: excessive crossposting is a Bad Thing. I know that this type of service is open to all kinds of abuses, so please, try to be mature about it, or it will be shut down, or even worse, I'll track down who you are and do something nasty. A note to UCB users: This was crossposted to the ucb groups because this is the only mail-to-news gateway that I know of that posts to the ucb.* groups. Also note that hh@soda still supports its full remailer functions. Usage of the remailer is detailed in soda.berkeley.edu:/pub/cypherpunks/remailers. A further note on headers: Some mailers do not allow users to easily modify headers in mail. However, you can still use this service. To do so, send a message like this: To: hh(a)soda.berkeley.edu Subject: Big Fun :: Anon-Post-To: alt.sex.masturbation [body of message goes here] In other words, make the first line of the body of the message two colons (::) and then my remailer will treat the next line after that as part of the message header. Have fun! e

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Cyperwonks
by Harry Shapiro 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is anyone monitoring Cyperwonks? Is anything really happening there? /hawk -- Harry S. Hawk habs(a)extropy.org Electronic Communications Officer, Extropy Institute Inc. The Extropians Mailing List, Since 1991 EXTROPY -- A measure of intelligence, information, energy, vitality, experience, diversity, opportunity, and growth. EXTROPIANISM -- The philosophy that seeks to increase extropy.

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Re: Merry Christmas CyberAnarchists
by Mike Ingle 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Interesting reading, but can you imagine how long it took him to type it in? Five or six hours, easily. He didn't scan it, either. The typos were the kind a human would make, not scanner errors. There is something strange about LD's latest postings. It appears whoever it is, is telnetting in from another machine and feeding them into longs.lance.colostate.edu's smtp port. They are not doing a HELO before the message. Either he is being spoofed, or his account is cancelled and he's posting from another machine, or ?? any ideas? Received: by toad.com id AA20727; Thu, 23 Dec 93 22:42:34 PST Received: from longs.lance.colostate.edu ([129.82.109.16]) by toad.com id AA20723; Thu, 23 Dec 93 22:42:19 PST Received: from dolores.lance.colostate.edu (dolores.lance.colostate.edu [129.82.112.18]) by longs.lance.colostate.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id XAA00629; Thu, 23 Dec 1993 23:42:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1993 23:42:15 -0700 From: "L. Detweiler" <ld231782(a)longs.lance.colostate.edu> Subject: Happy Holidays To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com, cypherwonks(a)lists.eunet.fi Cc: ld231782(a)longs.lance.colostate.edu Message-id: <199312240642.XAA00629(a)longs.lance.colostate.edu> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Authentication-Warning: longs.lance.colostate.edu: Host dolores.lance.colostate.edu didn't use HELO protocol X-Mts: smtp

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Re: anonymous video rental store
by Jim choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > Hi, > > Thanks for the insightful comments! > > > The engineering library at UT Austin used to have it under the glass at the > > check out desk. > > The checkout record or the court order? > > best regards, > > Nick > szabo(a)netcom.com > Uhhhh.......the check out records of course!.......;) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

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Re: It had to happen...
by Jim choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Strange, I thought it was always 72 hrs.... I think we need a real lawyer at this point..:) Happy Holidays.

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