December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Side question on money laundering...
by Phil G. Fraering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This may sound like a stupid question to most of y'all, but Tim brought up the Internet Casinos concept in one of his statements following-up to the money laundering thread, so I thought I'd ask: Given that even I, in my isolated little backwater of South Louisiana, find myself withing 20 miles of a casino, is it possible that the market is saturating to the point where an internet casino would not neccesarily be a good idea? If there is real anonymous untraceable digital cash for money laundering with, will "real" casinos see their profits decline as digital money sucks away that part of their business? PHil

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Re: cryptophone ideas
by Phil G. Fraering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lady Ada writes: >The ideal phone might be based on CPU's, RAM, and DSP's, with no >DES chips or anything like that. Have you seen the prices of used original NeXT equipment lately, or just the prices of single system boards from back in the 68030 era? Anyway, why do you need a DSP? I have read in several places that DSP's are going to be "replaced" by the CPU as time goes on and the CPUs just get more and more powerful. Phil

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Re: Milgram & Authority
by Jeff Davis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Warrantless searches -- A sign of things to come?
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Are there any lawyers that can comment with certainty? I'm not qualified to answer this point. (I did post since it was my original point that is being referred to. My opinion is that a landlord can not further limit that which the state laws protect... but that is opinion) <- The test to distinguish a Leasehold from a License is whether the control exercised by the occupant over the premises is so great as to make the occupant a tenant, or so small as to make the occupant a licensee. Key factor inculudes the intent of the parties in determining the the consequences of the landlord tennant relationship. _Cook v. University Plaza_, 427 N.E.2d 405 (Ill. 1981). The intent is usually determined by the language of the agreement and the focus is on certain key words that estlablish a leasehold. ONLY A TENANT HAS A POSSESSORY INTEREST IN THE LAND. Thus: Only a tenant can bring actions like ejectment, tresspass, nusiance. One should note that arguebly the Fair Housing Act does not kick in until one has a possessory interest in the land and the relationship can be characterized as a landlord tennant one. Private clubs, dwellings for religious purposes and others are exempt from the act. Public housing commissions may adopt "desirability standards" to determine elgibility, but this right stops short of discrimination even to the extent that criminal records, while they may go to desireability, may not be used as a bar from public housing. _Manigo v. New York City Housing Authority_, 51 Misc. 2d 829 (1966). There is upon the tenant a duty not to use the premises for Illegal purposes. (Gambling, prostitution etc.) Argueably this might include violations of the Chicago handgun laws, but the connection between possession of a handgun and the use of the leasehold estate seem to me, thin. At the very least, the presence of a leasehold brings about basic protections and non-discrimination protections in particular into existance. The license that a student may hold upon a dorm does not trigger such protections under landlord tenant law, although remedies may exist elsewhere. Because a leasehold is partly a conveyance and partly a contract, the denial of the Right to possess firearms in general is unenforceable in so far as it constitutes a infringement upon the constitutional right. Such a prohibition in a license agreement, while not per se legal is at least not protected in the same way. The move of property law to a theory of contract, that is the move to allow the private parties of landlord and tennant to agree on issue s normally separate from a housing agreement, does not enable the tenant to give up certain rights. "When owners grant rights of access to their property to others, they are not unconditionally free to revoke such access." 40 Stan. L. Rev. 611 (1988). "Property rights serve human values. They are recognized to that end and are limited by it. Title to real property cannot include dominion over the destiny of persons the owner permits to come upon the premises." _State v. Shack_, 58 N.J. 297, 277 A.2d 369 (1971). In so far as restrictions in a lease include rights that can be estlablished by state or federal constitutions or other law, they are unenforceable. -uni- (Dark)

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re: Banyan vine use by US Marine Corps...
by SGT=DARREN=S.=HARLOW%ISB%MCTSSA＠nwsfallbrook3.nwac.sea06.navy.mil 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yes, the means are jammable. However, if the network is jammed, there are other ways around this, that really can't be discussed within this forum. Sgt Darren Harlow - Computer Security MCTSSA, Camp Pendleton, USMC Internet: harlowd(a)nwsfallbrook3.nwac.sea06.navy.mil or another less reliable & slower: harlow(a)mqg1.usmc.mil Voice: Comm: (619) 725-2970 DSN (Autovon): 365-2970 Fax: Comm: (619) 725-9512 DSN (Autovon): 365-9512 PGP Public key available upon request "The views expressed are my own, and always will be..."

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Re: Remailer Musings
by jamiel＠sybase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:26 PM 04/19/94 -0600, juola(a)bruno.cs.colorado.edu wrote: >X-Authentication-Warning: bruno.cs.colorado.edu: Host localhost didn't use >HELO protocol Just thought I'd let you know about this heading, in case you are debugging anything... >Subject: Re: Remailer Musings >Date: Tue, 19 Apr 94 16:26:24 MDT >From: juola(a)bruno.cs.colorado.edu >On the other hand, part of the rules of being a common carrier are that >one is *required* to cooperate with appropriate authorities to prevent >this sort of abuse and to catch said abusers if/when it happens. I >suspect that Mr. Templeton's lawyer could make a case that by setting >up a remailer where one cannot "trace calls," one is violating the >requirements of being a common carrier, and thus is responsible for >content. > > - kitten I wonder how this would jive with the factoid someone on this list (don't have the original handy) found a while back about the court ruling in favor of the right to operate under an alias in (constitutionally?) protected, at least in terms of publishing, etc.? I remember the case happening in L.A., I think. Anyway, what are the odds a case could be made that my 'anonymous identity' "fooperson" is a legal pseudonym? Stretching it some, but a possibility, and one case where similarities with publishing can work in favor of privacy. jamie -- "Sure, people mistake me for straight, but when I do get someone in bed,that's when being a femme *really* pays off." -Bryna Bank, on Butch/Femme jamie lawrence jamiel(a)sybase.com

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Re: Press Release on Secure NCSA Mosiac
by Phil G. Fraering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Another question entirely: Might it be better just to use some sort of stream cypher that works by XOR'ing the stream against a large one-time pad where the used parts are deleted as it goes along? I'm thinking currently of telnet-level applications or larger-level ones based on telnet like HTTP (I know, technically there are better descriptions of HTTP and the like). It would be easy to pre-distribute the one-time pads via PGP or RSA. This has the advantage of not locking the whole infrastructure into a single public key system. Phil

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Re: Money Laundering thru Roulette
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There was a more interesting case in, I believe, Australia. Someone who wanted to bribe a politician instead libeled him. The politician sued, and they ``settled'' out of court. Interesting also that in some states judgements are non-taxible. :)

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Re: Black Net
by Phil G. Fraering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I was assuming it was a wet dream of a few 15 year olds. (ROTFL). He. Hehe. Hehehehahahahahahaha... pgf

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ID list
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

WOw. I have recieved 4 replies in 2 hours. I propose the following for the list of ID types: Please incude the date and month of the card issuance, so it can be included in the list. Many people have states that let licenses go for 5 years so outdated information is a problem. The greatest concerns are the digitized photo, the magnetic strip and the bar code. Please include a yes/no for each of these at least. The type of card (laminated... not laminated... etc) is also helpful. I'm amazed at the response. The identity of contributers will not be put on the list, and anonymous submissions are encouraged. -uni- (Dark)

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