December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

A little ditty about PGP (I especially like the part about prayin' Phil"ain't dead"!)
by ssteele＠eff.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This message was from LESLIE FISH to STEVEN ROSS, originally in conference Filk and was forwarded to y'all by BRUCE FEIST. Note: Despite the copyright, the author permits distribution of her work with proper acknowledgement. ------------------------- Hi, glad you liked my stuff. Just for the yell of it, here's my latest atrocity, based on a hackers' in-joke (would you believe, my very first computer filk?). P.G.P. words: L. Fish (c)12/18/93 tune: ditto The G-men all are cryin' And tearin' out their hair, 'Cause there's a new cryptography That's shown up everywhere. Nobody can break it, However good they be. Everybody's PC got the PGP. It guarantees who's callin' And just who gets the call. If you ain't got your code-word, You can't get in at all. Oh, there ain't nothin' like it To keep your privacy. Half the world's computers got the PGP. There's not a way to crack it, Not in a hundred years. All the spooks & wiretappers Are cryin' in their beers. They can't spy on E-mail Here or oversea When every home computer's got the PGP. Bless the man who made it, And pray that he ain't dead. He could've made a million If he'd sold it to the feds, But he was hot for freedom; He gave it out for free. Now every common citizen's got PGP. So go say what you want to, Of love or war or hate, Kinky sex, or dirty words, Or overthrow the state. Nobody can stop you. Speech is really free When everybody's PC got the PGP. Whee! Enjoy! ...And if anybody out there knows how to adapt PGP for the Atari 130XE, please get me a floppy. Thanx. ___ Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: ORAC/2 Home of Log/2 (Log for OS/2) (602) 277-1334 (1:114/12) ****************************************************************************** Can we talk in private? Not if our new Secretary of Defense has his way!!! "Society has recognized over time that certain kinds of scientific inquiry can endanger society as a whole and has applied either directly, or through scientific/ethical constraints, restrictions on the kind and amount of research that can be done in those areas." --Adm. Bobby R. Inman in a February, 1982 article for _Aviation Week and Space Technology_ on why cryptographic research should be limited to government scientists. Full text of this article is available for anonymous ftp from ftp.eff.org as pub/EFF/Policy/Crypto/inman.article. If you want to help fight government limitations on your right to privacy, join the Electronic Frontier Foundation! For more info, write to ask(a)eff.org.

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Geez, you think a 'punk would be a *little* more careful...
by Alan (Miburi-san) Wexelblat 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I didn't even have to move off my machine to know where this forgery entered the stream... Received: by media.mit.edu (5.57/DA1.0.4.amt) id AA27520; Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:42:40 -0500 Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA10523; Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:40:43 -0500 Received: by toad.com id AA13572; Sun, 19 Dec 93 14:19:04 PST Received: by toad.com id AA13552; Sun, 19 Dec 93 14:17:31 PST Return-Path: <President(a)whitehouse.gov> Received: from [144.92.136.35] by toad.com id AA13485; Sun, 19 Dec 93 14:16:03 PST Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 14:13:02 PST From: President(a)whitehouse.gov Message-Id: <9312192216.AA13485(a)toad.com> Apparently-To: Cypherpunks I Love encryption. I Love PGP. I Love PseudoSpoofing. Please send me lots of mail about my Health Care Plan. And always remember... Free Willy! --Slick

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sources of math routines...
by Alan (Miburi-san) Wexelblat 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: hackers(a)media.mit.edu Subject: when you are bored... Date: Mon, 20 Dec 93 10:40:04 -0500 From: halazar(a)media.mit.edu Ever looked at the sources to libm.a? Sun just released the sources to Solaris 2.3 libm.a, supposedly a new and high quality version. However, it looks a little more like cypher than math. -----------------------End Forwarded Message Any opinions from this list? --Alan Wexelblat, Reality Hacker, Author, and Cyberspace Bard Media Lab - Advanced Human Interface Group wex(a)media.mit.edu Voice: 617-258-9168 Page: 617-945-1842 an53607(a)anon.penet.fi The belief that enhanced understanding will necessarily stir a nation to action is one of mankind's oldest illusions.

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Detweiler: still paranoid
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Newsgroups: talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.conspiracy From: ld231782(a)turner.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler) Subject: Re: CRYPTOANARCHIST INFILTRATION ALERT Sender: news(a)yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Dec19.075042.7988(a)yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 07:50:42 GMT References: <PMETZGER.93Dec6212145(a)snark.lehman.com> <1993Dec7.235821.25954(a)oracle.us.oracle.com> <pgf.755746191(a)srl03.cacs.usl.edu> <1993Dec17.001757.1814(a)oracle.us.oracle.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: turner.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 021193BETA PL3] Followup-To: talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.conspiracy I seem to have missed much of this thread. My news server seems to have scrolled off all the interesting articles. I was hoping more cryptoanarchists would show up to call me insane. Quite a pity. David Criswell (dcriswel(a)oracle.uucp) wrote: : There's only one in the phone book. Cupertino's not all that : big, and Szabo's a fairly uncommon name. If I were, umm, you : know, in Mr. Detweiler's mental state, this might lead me to : conclude that somebody was lifting "pseudos" from Bay Area : phonebooks, and the one in the directory does not post. I : don't really care about it enough to call him. Mr. Criswell, could you describe the difficulty of getting fake names into a phone book? is this trivial or impossible? This is not to in any way imply that N.Szabo is such an occurence. I don't know why everyone on the internet gives every single email address they meet the benefit of the doubt. They all should get the detriment of the suspicion. But what do I know? I am just a paranoid lunatic who is progressing quite nicely on Prozac and intense psychoanalysis, thank you very much. Imagine that someone has made an art, science, and religion to pseudospoof. Why would they do it? because there is immense power behind such a technique. And minor barriers like phone numbers and phone books would be the first mediums they corrupt. People trust phone numbers -- they believe that if you can supply a phone number, you are are not a pseudonym. What is the basis for this belief? The foundation? Nothing but naive trust that is easily betrayed by those who have build their lives around deceptions. Don't care? well, don't blame me when tomorrow you find out that the cryptoanarchists own the largest share of the world mafia, and have succeeded in doing so by coordinating it over the Internet. Even better yet, let you be tortured by them all your life without ever discovering the true source of your wretched desperation. -- ld231782(a)longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU

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Inman: Cognitive Dissonance?
by Philippe Nave 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

banisar(a)washofc.cpsr.org writes : > > More recently, Inman was quoted by John Barlow in "Decrypting the Puzzle > Palace" as saying ' "My Answer", he said "would be legislation which would > make it a criminal offense to use encrypted communications to conceal > criminal activity...you could have a registry of institutios which can > legally use cryphers. If you get somebody using one who isn't registered, > then you go after him." ' > > This quote is a classic! The first bit about criminalizing crypto when it is used to cover up criminal activity is all right, I guess - sort of like adding a charge of 'resisting arrest' to the list of charges filed against a criminal. However, Inman segues from that statement into the 'registry of institutions that can legally use cyphers'... hmmm.. as if the illegal uses of cryptography were so tempting that 'institutions' have to jump through hoops to demontrate their innocence [as opposed to the assumption that they will behave themselves of their own accord]. Then, the last sentence ices the cake: "If you get somebody using one who isn't registered, then you go after him." Warm up the tanks and load the tear gas, BATF! 'Presumption of innocence' be damned! Cryptography is a _munition_, right? Right? Hmm...... It never ceases to amaze me how Big Brother can leap from nice, harmless- sounding 'law and order' rhetoric to police-state strong-arm statements in the space of a single 'sound bite'. -- ........................................................................ Philippe D. Nave, Jr. | The person who does not use message encryption pdn(a)dwroll.dw.att.com | will soon be at the mercy of those who DO... Denver, Colorado USA | PGP public key: by arrangement.

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Bobby Inman's Zoe Baird problem
by jkreznar＠ininx.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Freedom lovers rejoice! An instance of the ``Zoe Baird problem'' may accomplish what we could only dream: the derailment of the Inman nomination. John E. Kreznar | Relations among people to be by jkreznar(a)ininx.com | mutual consent, or not at all. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLRYKGsDhz44ugybJAQGOLgP/bPCxZu/dgszlCPyyp6Es409pg5GbySZ2 3nqEKSLi8IlBaTkb5zftK4oyoT6S6xlZzg1c5eD6aozE6JT9qpFkDmjk5qJghdzg 0/wSvgEzjmPorvlPA/EAhwn0UXBfZ+DhcW70XQ8EcoW4c1tWARlzZbKkuLDh8mQl SWeRh08TMhc= =IBjs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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EFF Quote of the Week #2, 12/20/93, Inman on Crypto
by Stanton McCandlish 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Society has recognized over time that certain kinds of scientific inquiry can endanger society as a whole and has applied either directly, or through scientific/ethical constraints, restrictions on the kind and amount of research that can be done in those areas." -- Adm. Bobby R. Inman (then CIA Dep. Dir.) in a February, 1982 article for _Aviation_Week_and_Space_Technology_ on why cryptographic research should be limited to government scientists. Full text of this article is available for anonymous ftp from ftp.eff.org as pub/EFF/Policy/Crypto/inman.article. The Electronic Frontier Foundation believes that individuals have the right to protect their private communications by any method they choose - without government interference. For more information about the Electronic Frontier Foundation, send mail to info(a)eff.org. -- Stanton McCandlish * mech(a)eff.org * Electronic Frontier Found. OnlineActivist F O R M O R E I N F O, E - M A I L T O: I N F O @ E F F . O R G O P E N P L A T F O R M O N L I N E R I G H T S V I R T U A L C U L T U R E C R Y P T O

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Re: Bobby Inman's Zoe Baird problem
by Jonathan Corbet 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Freedom lovers rejoice! An instance of the ``Zoe Baird problem'' may > accomplish what we could only dream: the derailment of the Inman > nomination. Well, if Inman goes down I suppose I will do some rejoicing. However, this is also kind of depressing. Something as important as a Cabinet nomination can be wiped out by something that is really irrelevant (have you ever looked into just how *hard* it is to employ a nanny on the books?); while we all acknowledge that our really serious concerns will have no effect. Anybody who is concerned about freedom in this country should ought to be pretty scared when decisions this important are made in this way. Not that this example is anything particularly new... Jonathan Corbet National Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Technology Division corbet(a)stout.atd.ucar.edu

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EFF Quote of the Week (#2)
by ferguson＠icm1.icp.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

forwarded message content: "Society has recognized over time that certain kinds of scientific inquiry can endanger society as a whole and has applied either directly, or through scientific/ethical constraints, restrictions on the kind and amount of research that can be done in those areas." -- Adm. Bobby R. Inman (then CIA Dep. Dir.) in a February, 1982 article for _Aviation_Week_and_Space_Technology_ on why cryptographic research should be limited to government scientists. Full text of this article is available for anonymous ftp from ftp.eff.org as pub/EFF/Policy/Crypto/inman.article. The Electronic Frontier Foundation believes that individuals have the right to protect their private communications by any method they choose - without government interference. For more information about the Electronic Frontier Foundation, send mail to info(a)eff.org. -- Stanton McCandlish * mech(a)eff.org * Electronic Frontier Found. OnlineActivist F O R M O R E I N F O, E - M A I L T O: I N F O @ E F F . O R G O P E N P L A T F O R M O N L I N E R I G H T S V I R T U A L C U L T U R E C R Y P T O ________ end fwd ____________

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Questions..
by ub075＠freenet.victoria.bc.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

First off, anyone notice how quiet it is in here without LD? There used to be 30-40 messages a day, now I only see about 15 (Or so.. no KF) Second, what size should a remailer key be? Is there really any need for military grade encryption on a remailer that might have 3 or 4 nested messages, each encrypted? Thanx. -- Ryan Perkins - 1:340/13 | I feel that suicide jumpers see a glimpse of ub075(a)freenet.victoria.bc.ca | sanity as they throw themselves from the ledge. Ask for PGP 2.3 public key | That's why they scream all the way down. 8C5357 : 9F FF BA 93 54 D5 18 78 4B 1E DA GC E3 4E

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