December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Who`s Most Receptive
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

S >Also, I'm sending a note to Mitch. He was interviewed by NPR a few S >months ago about the National Information Infrastructure. I'll see if S >he can suggest a reporter. S >Shari I uploaded a transcript of NPR's report on the Clipper announcement to the list last April if anyone would like a copy. Dan Charles was the reporter and Whit Diffy was interviewed. It was favorable. I don't know why right wingers aren't as sympathetic to strong crypto. I used to be one and I am. Strong crypto protects us against the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderbergers. They can't put the number of the beast on us if we use it and crypto is obviously handy for financial privacy. After all would you want the dope smoking lesbian communist dominated Justice Department reading *your* mail, financial records, and medical records. Duncan Frissell "Nuke 'em 'till they glow then shoot them in the dark." --- WinQwk 2.0b#0

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Re: Spread-spectrum net (vulnerability of)
by swc＠uc1.ucsu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I do not know of any way that the network can know where you are without there being a way that someone (net operators or authorities) can use that knowledge. I feel it is better to let the user go get his stuff via the net, versus have his stuff come to him. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stuart W. Card, Consultant, Card & Associates -- Research & Development Box 153 RR 1 Newport Rd Utica NY 13502 315-735-1717 / FAX -8469 swc(a)uc1.ucsu.edu or cards(a)top.cis.syr.edu "Who is John Galt?"

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Re: Safe and fun environment?
by jamie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Cypherlings, excuse the bandwidth] Matthew, As a fresh newbie allow me to react for the record to your recent post. >a "safe and fun environment" to introduce new people to anything. I've never found a safe and fun environment anywhere, anytime if I looked closely enough to see what was going on; hence I never expect it anywhere, anytime. > And god forbid that a newcomer should ask a QUESTION! Dear lord no. >That newcomer will be flamed so totally that no burn unit around will be able >to save them. My questions have been answered graciously, thoroughly, and when I've been corrected, I should've been due to inattentive typing (e.g., author's names). > No one on this list is entirely to blame, nor is anyone entirely >blameless for this. Several of the top figures on the list (TC May and Eric >Hughes to name two) have recently adopted an inappropriately elitist attitude >toward the direction of the list, and the movement. Movement? Like in 'bowel'? I don't see the elitest approach; from my perspective it looks like people with knowledge being exasperated when others want private tutoring and don't RTFM. I'm pretty much the same way in my areas of expertise. >No one can stop Eric from >running the _list_ however he wants, but the _movement_ belongs to all of us, Let me get this straight -- you're claiming property rights to spontaneous behavior of other individuals? > Until we fix the serious problems in this list, it will never be an >appropriate environment for newcomers to learn about crypto-privacy, It's been good for me. Why do you think that might be? -- ................................ Jamie Dinkelacker Palo Alto CA Jamie(a)netcom.com 415.941.4782

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No Subject
by nobody＠soda.berkeley.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Covert Action article on Clipper/Skipjack by D. Sobel is out. I thought he was on this list? Did I miss mention of this? Looked good, but didnt have the $5.50, and they wouldnt accept my $100 DigiKash! Mr. Sobel, Can you post an electronic version of yer article please? [[Nonewsgroup, no cypherpunk cause/agenda, no leaders, no organization]] (There that didnt take up to much time now did it?) C. A. Informatik

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Re: EFF GIF file recall n
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com S >Child pornography is not protected speech, and challenging S >child pornography laws is not currently on EFF's agenda Didn't the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decide that the transport and sale provisions (unknowing posession) of the federal kiddie porn law were unconstitutional? Wouldn't a warning like yours risk converting unknowing to knowing posession. Duncan Frissell --- WinQwk 2.0b#0

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DC-Net proposal, comments requested
by Timothy Newsham 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

proposal: Dining Cryptographer's (DC) net built on top of TCP/IP. purpose: To explore the problems in implementing a useable DC net. description: The Net would allow connections to a PAD machine, the PAD machine would be used to establish a "connection" across the DC-Net to another PAD machine which would then allow an outgoing TCP connection. The connection through the DC-NET would be transparent and untraceable. Machines that are part of the DC-NET could talk to each other untraceably through the network. discussion: This net would allow a user to set up an 'untraceable' connection from one point on the internet to another. The NET would be made up of one or more actual DC-Nets. A DC-NET This net is broadcast in nature (data written by one machine can be seen by all other machines on the network) but with the characteristic that it is impossible to tell which machine on a particular DC-Net wrote out the data (except if all other machines are controlled by the same person?). The DC-NET itself is bit oriented. Such a DC-network would be the underlying layer for the packet network. The actual DC-Network would be made up of processes on various (or even the same, for testing purposes) machines all connected together with TCP. The Packet Net The Packet Network would be built with the DC-Net as a base. In order to send useful information across the network a single node would form data into packets. These packets would be outputted to the network a bit at a time. Since the DC-Net is bit oriented it is possible for another node to send some bits after one node has started to write out its packets. As a node writes out a packet it should listen to the network for "collisions" and if a collision is detected it would "give up" on the current transmission and wait for some time to start again. Packets from one machine to another must have some sort of addressing. The packet could be encrypted entirely in the public key of the destination if there is only a single DC net. If there are multiple DC-Nets with packet forwarding between them then there must be some sort of plaintext address information in the packets. The return address should *never* be in plaintext. Probably the data and return address of a packet would be encrypted in the public key of the destination or in a private key shared with the destination. Sessions Virtual connections can be built on top of the packet network in the same way as they are on top of other packet networks. Some protocol like TCP (or even the TCP protocol) could be used. Why should this be built on the internet? Writting and debugging a network of this sort on top of the internet should be easier than writing it and implementing it from scratch. Some people have proposed neighborhood networks that would be used to implement untraceable and unstoppable connections. This is an excellent way to develop and debug such a network. What needs to be resolved Alot! This is just something I threw together. There are alot of questions. In fact most of it is still a question. The protocol of the underlying DC-Net needs to be written. A packet layer must be written or adapted from current protocols. The issues of addressing need to be addressed. There are also sure to be alot of politically oriented questions as well. Tim N.

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Wireless Networks info request...
by speth＠cats.ucsc.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is beginning to stray from the realm of the cypherpunks, but the thread on wireless networks has gotten me interested, and I'd like pointers to more information. Does anyone have plans for building wireless network controllers? What commercial companies are out there besides TAL? Where is this sort of thing discussed regularly (usenet, mailing lists, etc.)? Any intel would be appreciated. ________________________________________________________________________________ james speth email for pgp compatible public-key speth(a)cats.ucsc.edu ________________________________________________________________________________ Have you ever had your phones tapped by the government? YOU WILL and the company that'll bring it to you... AT&T

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PGP help for dos
by jvarley＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just got PGP 2.3a for Dos and I'm having trouble adding keys to my keyring. It seems it can only accept two keys. When I type pgp keyfile It says something like "Key found, add this key to pubring.pgp?" I hit Y, and then it tells me "No keyfile found in keyfile.$00". I've encountered this before. Last time, it was only my key in the pubring. When I went to add a second key, it wouldn't accept it. I wound up deleting my pubring, re-doing it, and then I could add a second key, but no more. -- jvarley(a)netcom.com | "...Soul of a woman was created below!" Tomes on IRC | -- Led Zeppelin PGP key available via finger

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Wireless Net
by Matthew J Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry to put this on the list but I forgot who posted the original. I believe it was Ed Carp that mentioned he had a wireless net set up between his 486 and his laptop. Could you detail this setup a bit more (hardware and code necessary). Also, is the connection (or lack thereof) encrypted end-to-end? --Matt ______________________________________________________________________________ "This new technology (the printing press) threatened the Crown, which shuddered at the thought of widespread dissemination of works advocating religious heresy and political upheaval. The Crown's solution to the problem was a system of regulation designed to control this "dangerous" art." -From my Copyright Law Text (refrencing the Statute of Anne - the first Copyright Statute) (c)1993 ______________________/___________________________________mjmiski(a)macc.wisc.edu

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Atari and VAX
by major＠dcd.wa.gov.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"John W. Redelfs" <TSJWR(a)acad2.alaska.edu> writes: > If I owned a PC clone or a Mac, I'd be sitting pretty. If my host machine > was Unix, I'd be fine. But I'm using an Atari emulating vt100 off a > VAX 6510. Is there any help for me? How can I be a cypherpunk? > > I want to be using PGP, but I haven't found it for either machine I'm on. PGP version 2.3A contains conditionals for both Atari and VMS, The distribution includes a file vmsbuild.com which presumably does the obvious. I have no facilities to check if either of these actualy work. Major +------------------------------------------------+------------------------+ | Snail: Box T1680 GPO, Perth WA 6001, Australia | Phone: + 61 9 357-5076 | | email: major(a)dcd.wa.gov.au | FAX: + 61 9 370-3692 | +------------------------------------------------+------------------------+ Netware 4.0 slogan: Know no bounds; Internet slogan: Have no bounds

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