December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Kiss My Elbow!
by John W. Redelfs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To those obnoxious codeheads who flipped me off with a suggestion that I do my own port of PGP to the Atari and/or VAX: Kiss my elbow! Anyone ignorant enough to write code before doing a search to see if the code is already available deserves to take your brain dead advice. Foolishly thinking that the cypherpunks were interested in spreading encryption technology on the Internet, I logically assumed an inquiry on this list would be part of such a search. Maybe the cypherpunks are a government front organization set up for _preventing_ the spread of encryption technology on the Internet. Stranger things have happened. --------------- John W. Redelfs, tsjwr(a)acad1.alaska.edu ----------------- --------- All my opinions are tentative pending further data. -----------

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The Bank of the Internet!? (fwd)
by zeek＠IO.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

No, I didn't read this entire message, but I thought it may be relevant... Forwarded message: *> From dummy Wed Feb 29 12:12:12 1990 *> X-EB: ------------------------------ *> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 16:01:46 -0700 *> From: Arthur Chandler <arthurc(a)SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU> *> Subject: The Bank of the Internet!? *> *> Yesterday I went to hear a very interesting talk by Eric Hughes, one of *> the founding members of the Cypherpunk list/organization. Unlike most *> encryption pop journalists, who seem to limit themselves to PGP, this *> fellow brought up several boggling ideas: *> 1) "Cryptography is all economics." *> In other words, all encryption schemes come down to: how much $ am I *> willing to spend to keep you from getting into my secret info, and how *> much $ are you willing to spend to get it?" *> 2) There are two methods to keeping secrets on the NET (or IRL): trust *> some one, or trust an algorithm. And, in general, human trust is cheaper *> than technology. *> 3) The US government classifies encryption schemes as munitions, and is *> accordingly places all encryption technology under export restrictions *> controlled by the state department. *> 4) Claude Shannon's two basic principles of encryption: confusion and *> diffusion. *> *> He also mentioned something called a "blind signature" -- a special form *> of digital signature that keeps users unknown (through encryption) to both *> the bank they deposit with and sellers they transact with. I didn't *> understand this "blind digital signature" idea. Can anyone out here explain? *> *> But the real boggler is that this fellow Eric is, with the backing of *> the Electronic Frontier Foundation, going to start a Credit Union based on *> up-to-date encryption schemes and using the Internet as the monetary *> highway! It involves using something called digital money -- a system of *> encrypted data that expires over time, but that a highly flexible ability *> to purchase quantities or services. The data itself will be located *> over several nodes, so that no one site has all the info about your *> account, but that any "quorum number" of bank nodes can reconstruct the *> whole picture of your assets. Anyone trying to crack the system would *> have to crack, not just one or two nodes, but a quorum number. Such nodes *> will be distributed internationally, though favoring nations with *> encryption-favorable legislation. *> ************************************** *> I'm oversimplifying all this. But the whole notion of a Bank of the *> Internet, backed by the EFF and running encrypted international monetary *> transactions seems... well, this is Future Culture: what do you think? *>

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PGP misunderstanding
by M. Strata Rose 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Hal & others, this is Strata, author of the Virtual City (tm) Network "faq" (which raises more questions than it answers, rev 1.1 will be more customarily faq-like.) Someone forwarded me your posting re the faq and I thought I would take a moment to reply. Please direct any correspondence to me directly, I am only on cypherpunks-announce and not the list itself. I had a misunderstanding about the PGP key servers, not realizing they existed to register your keys with and not to generate them. I have planned from the beginning to include serious privacy technology in the Virtual City, up to and including objects in the master database which can only be decrypted at runtime by those who have keys for them. I have been talking with Hugh Daniel about making his ideas on NYM's an integral part of the infrastructure and plan to include Digital Cash as soon as a version is ready to go. I was at today's Cypherpunks meeting to get more info on PGP and discuss details of the infrastructure with folks. I will be posting a slightly revised 1.0.1 faq which corrects some minor mistakes and also gives correct info about PGP key generation in detail. I will be writing up details of how I am thinking of implementing some of the privacy structure mentioned in the faq and above and posting it here for people to shoot at. I am very interested in doing this "right". In the last 48 hours since I posted the faq a number of messages from folks asking how they can get a public key, so I want to head them in the right direction. If I were to admit something seditious in public, which I never do, I might say that one of my many goals for the Virtual City (tm) Network was to get Joe & Jane Undergrad or Salaryperson casually using privacy tech in a matter of fact way-- they'll use it to protect their identity and privacy in the VC environment and to perform commercial transactions online. I think that people are not using the privacy tech that's out there simply because they feel they have no compelling reason to do so. If people start needing to use it to get at things they think are interesting or cool they will become familiar with the use of the tech and begin to use it casually elsewhere. That would seem to be the Right Thing. To spread usage out beyond Virtual City (tm) Network, I've also been thinking that later on when the service is established I should start an encrypted "vcn" news hierarchy. This will get randoms using PGP to read the news feed. I'm not familiar enough with the most recent news control mechanisms to feel certain that I can somehow "bounce" cleartext posts to these groups, I might have to make it unidirectional and gatewayed solely through a hacked mail filter that requires encrypted text. My worry is that sites that do satellite feeds might balk at carrying it, thinking it might violate some FCC regs about non-cleartext data over public airwaves. They might be right, I need to learn more about possible legal ramifications before doing that. Cheerfully educable, _Strata PS- I will support folks choosing their own encryption on data envelopes, but after seeing Arthur's presentation today I think I'd better make it abundantly clear that we can in no way be held liable if they insist on DES M. Strata Rose Unix & Network Consultant, SysAdmin & Internet Information Virtual City (TM) Network strata(a)virtual.net | strata(a)hybrid.com | strata(a)fenchurch.mit.edu

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Re: PHONE PRIVACY
by George A. Gleason 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Re. wiring two payphone lines together: uh, NO. From a practical standpoint, it will probably drop trouble cards at the CO. From a legal standpoint, it's theft of service, and especially with red boxes etc.; again, a dumb place to make your stand in court. Again, I want to suggest that the best thing to do is get a group of folks together to establish a PBX which can be used as a concentrator/diverter. -gg

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Re: PHONE PRIVACY: real-time billing with digital postage
by swc＠uc1.ucsu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am presently looking into leasing fiber plant to set up a secure net with some of the attributes Nick Szabo mentions. Without enhancements to his scheme, however, I do not see how my cuso tomers can be sure that I am not recording traffic routine g, even if I claim that I am not. Furthermore, what is to prevent third parties from taping my ping my trunks and decoding the signalling which is used to direct the route switching? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stuart W. Card, Consultant, Card & Associates -- Research & Development Box 153 RR 1 Newport Rd Utica NY 13502 315-735-1717 / FAX -8469 swc(a)uc1.ucsu.edu or cards(a)top.cis.syr.edu "Who is John Galt?"

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Criminal GIF's "Offshore" Data Haven
by anonymous＠extropia.wimsey.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Charles Morgan said: Look around there everywhere In fcat those are not so bad L8r Charles Charles and anyone else who has examples of these "criminal GIF's" please send copies to a good home WhiteBeard 77308D <pool0(a)extropia.wimsey.com> As you might expect from "pool0", this is a pool address; all messages received at this address are remailed to a "pool" of subscribers, including WhiteBeard. Please encrypt your "criminal GIF's" with public key Type bits/keyID Date User ID pub 1024/77308D 1993/08/05 WhiteBeard 77308D <pool0(a)extropia.wimsey.com> -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3 mQCNAixg1V4AAAEEAK7+65Tb+IlceOkXbYr8KegFqJBsATfvHn0jWDhLomU1Bu9a N4QnUA7O7EA4klVjOkvFsizN+Ex94aAzSeEr2YEKA08wdCcDnOupTy5sGRcvJL3i e17y3/HS5zRq9bUrw/zVFWnF5XFaa0WXqEJF0mKNmIhQoUS0GWSPDqT/dzCNAAUT tC5XaGl0ZUJlYXJkIDc3MzA4RCAgPHBvb2wwQGV4dHJvcGlhLndpbXNleS5jb20+ =KKxu -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Note that the pool0 remailer does NOT attempt to conceal the identity of the SENDER. If you don't want your own identity attached to your message or file, send it through a remailer. Also, of course, you probably want to encrypt but NOT sign with PGP. WhiteBeard is also looking for the "politically incorrect" (and illegal outside the USA) program "Concentration Camp Commander". WhiteBeard will keep your "criminal GIF's" safely encrypted on diskettes. Should your own copies ever be lost or confiscated, just send WhiteBeard a call for help and he will send your GIF's (and any others he's collected you might want) to your anonymous remailer address. WhiteBeard already has a small collection of "interesting" GIF's dealing with beastiality and scatological domination. If you want a free sample, send WhiteBeard a request with an anonymous return address and pseudonymous public key. Please feel free to post this announcement to other mailing lists and newsgroups.

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PHON PRIVACY
by Matthew J Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Our favorite Corporate entity, McDonald's, actually attempted a play on Mr. Szabo's idea. Here in Wisconsin, a while back, they distributed 3 minutedsErase they distributed 3 minutedsErase Erase Erase Select Mail Erase Erase Erase Extract/Mail Extract/Mail Help Erase ______________________________________________________________________________ "This new technology (the printing press) threatened the Crown, which shuddered at the thought of widespread dissemination of works advocating religious heresy and political upheaval. The Crown's solution to the problem was a system of regulation designed to control this "dangerous" art." -From my Copyright Law Text (refrencing the Statute of Anne - the first Copyright Statute) (c)1993 ______________________/___________________________________mjmiski(a)macc.wisc.edu

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oops
by Matthew J Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyways. As i was saying.... McDonalds distributed 3 minute long distance cards that came with your favorite value meal. Completely anonymous when used from a payphone, and the same service as regular LD. --Matt ______________________________________________________________________________ "This new technology (the printing press) threatened the Crown, which shuddered at the thought of widespread dissemination of works advocating religious heresy and political upheaval. The Crown's solution to the problem was a system of regulation designed to control this "dangerous" art." -From my Copyright Law Text (refrencing the Statute of Anne - the first Copyright Statute) (c)1993 ______________________/___________________________________mjmiski(a)macc.wisc.edu

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The rubber and the road
by ferguson＠icm1.icp.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Grady, If this is a silly question, then chastise me later -- but when do you actually appear in court? I noticed PRZ's statement dated 12 Oct. Does your appearance fall shortly? Cheers and Support.

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PHONE PRIVACY
by Sandy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT Reply to: ssandfort(a)attmail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Punksters, Ron McCoy asked about the 1-900 number I posted some time ago. The number is 1-900-STOPPER. Though I originally mentioned STOPPER, I would recommend that the better solution is to use a pre-paid calling card. Several companies offer them, including AT&T (buy them at AT&T Phone Stores) and Western Union (buy them at authorized Western Union agents). They both charge you about sixty cents per minute for US domestic calls (more for overseas). They come in various denominations ($5, $10, $20, etc.) To use them, you dial a special 800 number. When you get a beep, you dial in the card's unique serial number. When you get a second dial tone, you dial the area code and phone number you wish to call. Depending upon the card you have, there will be some method for determining how much time/money you have left after each call. Since I have not yet found out whether or not the issuers retain *your* phone number (captured by ANI), or for how long, it would be prudent to use the cards at payphones for any highly sensitive communications. S a n d y >>>>>> Please send e-mail to: ssandfort(a)attmail.com <<<<<< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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