December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: backing
by hfinney＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry wrote: > > A digital currency can be backed by gold held in some secure location > > like the Zurich Free Transit Warehouse. U.S. Dollars are backed by > > absolutely nothing other than blind faith in the U.S. Governement. > > Who's kidding whom? Banks are contractually obligated to turn over mortgage notes in exchange for U.S. dollars. These contracts are valid over approximately 30 years, and provide unencumbered title to valuable property. These and similar contracts may be said to give value to dollars independent of government promises. Hal

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Colorado Cypherpunks
by W. Kinney 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Count another Colorado 'punk, Boulder. Writing code (slowly) for the Mac. That pesky thesis keeps getting in the way... -- Will

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re:backing
by F_GRIFFITH＠CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>workable barter currency? Aug/Sept 93 Mother Earth News has an article "The Ultimate Barter" about "A currency based on time-hours is a boon to a rural community." >poorly-backed digital currency will win out over e.g. U.S. dollars? Depends on legal tender status (see post by Perry). Note too his point that digital currency needn't be poorly backed. However, also note that government issued dollars would circulate in preference to gold backed digital currency issued by someone else according to Greshams law (which was stated in reference to metal coins, but applies to other forms as well). Solution might be to denominate digital currency in something other than $ (e.g. gold grams) & have parallel monetary system develop.

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re:700 Club etc.
by F_GRIFFITH＠CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is another thread only slightly related to cypherpunks. I find the paranoid reaction to the "Religious Right" strange. Perhaps it is based on relying on the establishment media for a picture of it. Would you rely on such media to give you an accurate picture of what the government is doing with cryptography or of teh need for gun control? The media picture of the Religious Right is just as distorted. The right to encryption and the "right" to abortion don't have the same basis - encryption kills no one.

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Calling all Colorado CypherPunks
by nate＠rodin.VIS.ColoState.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am planning (if it hasn't been done) to start the Colorado branch of the CypherPunks. If you are a CypherPunk interested in this (and live in the vicinity), please send me email, I'll start thinking of things to do, and we can work out where to meet and how often. -nate -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nate Sammons email: nate(a)VIS.ColoState.Edu | Colorado State University Computer Visualization Laboratory | Finger nate(a)monet.VIS.ColoState.Edu for my PGP key | #include <std.disclaimer> | Title 18 USC 2511 and 18 USC 2703 Protected --> Monitoring Forbidden +--------+ Always remember "Brazil"

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(fwd) Articulation of PGP point of view?
by Carl_Ellison＠vos.stratus.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 10:54:43 -0500 >From: "Robert W. Shirey" <shirey(a)mitre.org> >Subject: Articulation of PGP point of view? >Is there anyone who has, or is able to, articulate >the PGP point of view for public key management and >compentently contrast it to the PEM point of view? >Is there, perhaps, someone who has written on this >subject or spoken publicly in an organized fashion? >I am seeking such a person for a presentation and >panel discussion at an international conference. >I need names ASAP! >Please feel free to forward this message to >appropriate newsgroups. >Regards, -Rob- >SHIREY(a)MITRE.ORG * tel 703.883.7210 * fax 703.883.1397 >Robert W. Shirey, The MITRE Corporation, Mail Stop Z202 >7525 Colshire Drive, McLean, Virginia 22102-3481 USA

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cyphrs
by QBOSWT＠grace.tstc.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Longing to be free. Send info encrypting gov't from privacy. Who r cypherpunks? Why a toad?

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Articulation of PGP point of view?
by Peter G. Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert W. Shirey writes: >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 10:54:43 -0500 >From: "Robert W. Shirey" <shirey(a)mitre.org> >Is there anyone who has, or is able to, articulate the PGP point of >view for public key management and compentently contrast it to the PEM >point of view? >Is there, perhaps, someone who has written on this subject or spoken >publicly in an organized fashion? >I am seeking such a person for a presentation and panel discussion at >an international conference. >I need names ASAP! >Please feel free to forward this message to appropriate newsgroups. >Regards, -Rob- >SHIREY(a)MITRE.ORG * tel 703.883.7210 * fax 703.883.1397 >Robert W. Shirey, The MITRE Corporation, Mail Stop Z202 >7525 Colshire Drive, McLean, Virginia 22102-3481 USA I talked to Rob about this. What he's really looking for is not really so much a spokesman for the PGP vs "Big Brother" type of discussion, but rather someone who can discuss PGP key management issues from a technical standpoint. He'd really like to find someone who has dealt with managing a PGP key-server, thoroughly understands the "web of trust" model used in PGP (contrasting it to the certification authority hierarchy used in PEM) and is a good and articulate public speaker. Being partisan for PGP is fine, but you'd better be able to argue from a technical standpoint, not just an ideological one. Peter Trei ptrei(a)mitre.org

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Re: Gold in them thar Bills...
by hsuutala＠fmdmfg2.intel.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

writes pmetzger(a)lehman.com (Perry E. Metzger) >I can take the pound of gold to MTB down the block and have dollars, >yen, or anything else I like, within 15 minutes. I can then take those >to buy Big Gulps. >Perry Yes, as long it was been minted in a recognized form i.e. a gold eagle, a panda, or gold peso. A gob of yellow shinny stuff is just that until it has been assayed, and then it is only as good as the backing or reputation of the assayer. Howard My opinion and mine alone, not the companies.........not by a long shot. Howard Suutala | Intel Connectivity Division Intel Corporation | m/s fm4-26 | 1900 Prarie City Road | Folsom | CA | 95630 [v] 916.356.4412 | [f] 916.356.3455 | [email] hsuutala(a)fmdmfg2.intel.com

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Re: re:700 Club etc.
by djw＠eff.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:21 PM 10/21/93 -0500, F_GRIFFITH(a)CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU wrote: >The right to encryption and the "right" to abortion don't have the same >basis - encryption kills no one. I'm not sure that the FBI would agree with the second half of your statement... ................................................................... Daniel J. Weitzner, Senior Staff Counsel <djw(a)eff.org> Electronic Frontier Foundation 1001 G St, NW Suite 950 East Washington, DC 20001 202-347-5400 (v) 202-393-5509 (f)

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