December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

forwarded message from System Daemon
by Daniel Carosone 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Another one.. *sigh* it's still going on? please remove this anon id, I won't be using it. ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) ------- Message-Id: <9408090808.AA14325(a)anon.penet.fi> From: daemon(a)anon.penet.fi (System Daemon) To: danielce(a)ee.mu.oz.au Subject: Anonymous code name allocated. Date: Tue, 9 Aug 94 11:08:40 +0300 You have sent a message using the anonymous contact service. You have been allocated the code name an120044. You can be reached anonymously using the address an120044(a)anon.penet.fi. If you want to use a nickname, please send a message to nick(a)anon.penet.fi, with a Subject: field containing your nickname. For instructions, send a message to help(a)anon.penet.fi. ------- end -------

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No Subject
by Bill Garland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- There has been much Meta Discussion of late. There has also been much but not too much trivial and meta-meta stuff, of which I gues I would have to categorize _this_ posting. I don't suppose anyone is interested in metabolizing this any further... All I have to do is take a break for a few days and I have these 457 New Messages to catch up on. You all know what I am talking about, I presume. Now that I have lost my job, and am more or less finished with soaking the hapless taxpayers, I can finally get around to doing those things I have previously referred to as homework, and turn them around into revenue generating memes. I am going to unsub for a week or so, and ::exclude all for a while, and unsub permanently from anything else except moribund IMP - I'll wait to see if anything happens in that arena - cypherpunks have assumed control over IMP memes anyway...so that when I get back, there will only be regular personal mail from net.friends and darters (my secret passion - a wonderful type A behaviour pattern) mail. I may have only five weeks of net.access at this address, anyway, but my seniority and status as alumnus and donor and decus membership entitle me to to historical use of my bill(a)kean.ucs.mun.ca True Name address. I can, I expect, get a forwarding privilege as part of my severance package, although I _will_ be going to a commercial internet service as soon as I get a round tuit. There are other possibilities, which I wont bore you with right now. So I'm off to write some code, do some homework, and take some annual r & r. Before I go, I thought I'd send this rant to the list, just one message or so before I send the appended .sig in to the Idea Factory for maintenance. We have discussed this before, so maybe after my Annual General Meeting coming up this Perseids, deep in the woods, I'll come up with an idea of how to make this come about - how to, say, achieve the goal - meanwhile I am just going to rant. I want Extropian mailing list software equivalent for Cypherpunks! Others want it. It has been mentioned as a possibility. I understand there are some intellectual property rights involved, but jesus h christ as my old man used to say, what can we say about the intellectual property rights of prz that we now take for granted? [Did anyone notice the AP article about prz the other day that was okay as a news bite but they spelled his name incorrectly!] [[Someone with a much-too-long-but-only-occassionally-used .sig also spells his name wrong...homework for another cypherpunk...]] I understand there are machine property rights involved, too. Perhaps these can be hashed out at TAZONO. I'll be there in spirit, if not in the flesh nor by upload... I know there are other problems, too, but hey, this code has already been written. Let's get it done. I haven't yet used the ::exclude features of Extropian list software for Extropian mail, but I could _sure_ use it for cypherpunk mail. Meanwhile I am about to unsub cypherpunks for a week, and ::exclude all for a while, and I'll be back RSN with some non-meta harangues. Opps, redundancy noted. Some notes for the future : 1. HEx will reanimate itself as a reputation market. I have to read some Chaum, first. 2. INFO_Banque will spontaneously order itself into existence. I have to read some Chaum, first, and tend to some other stuff. 3. Watch for the INFO_Banque_Protocols and the INFO_Banque_PPL. I claim copyright to these words...I guess I am going to have to sign this rant. 4. Perhaps I should sign all my future postings as a matter of personal discipline and policy, as I embark upon some personal self-transformation. 5. Perhaps I should invent another pseudonym for myself. It is known publically, although not widely, that I sometimes write things for an alter ego personality I have named Wendell Noseworthy. The new nym will have to be a credentialled entity... But I have to read some Chaum first, and I _still_ can't find a copy of Schnier in our library and now that I need all my paper cash to feed my replicant units, well, there may be some delays involved... Meanwhile, I will be interested in receiving encrypted mail from cypherpunks and Extropians, just for practice, of course. Very soon now I hope to get my PGP key signed by somebody, but I have been waiting a decision on moving to 2.6ui or 2.7...or 3. Use this public key for now, and we can verify it later in life. You can check the signature if you wish and let me know if I have made any blunders. - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3a mQCNAiynHCkAAAEEANbd5hw0IR+keK2U2DoGnAPdcctWxipdXbJ2Qr83ScX7d7K1 uP1bkRkGOCYJpQTksgtHf/ulUsZwq4TEFb7QUyvHnoRJcO4q0RX7CnH9fhXQ1F+k LeuU4NSCYIzrvI6kdoMR1nTN3N8zm793CafB/SI0ZoJs2b5p1UqYjDfdkCPxAAUR tCxCaWxsIEdhcmxhbmQgKFdtLlIuKSAgPGJpbGxAa2Vhbi51Y3MubXVuLmNhPg== =Z9Sb - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- So, as I said, I'm off for some R&R to write some meta-code. I'll retire this .sig below now, [perhaps another message or two will sneak through to other channels...] Copyright 1994, right now, me. Please do not distribute this rant. Bill Garland /----------------------------------------------------------------------\ | I am an Extropian. | Macronic Systems, Inc. offers Ideas for Sale ! | | BEST: DO_IT_SO ! | Go for it : Pledge a Digital US Dollar now. | | CryptoAnarchist. | Send PGP key for more information. | | Cypherpunk. | Get in on the ground floor. Invest Now. Trust me! | | Owner : MSInc., |---------------------------------------------------| | HEx, INFO_Banque | Bill Garland = bill(a)kean.ucs.mun.ca | \__________________________________o o_________________________________/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLkdEdkqYjDfdkCPxAQEkTgP+LZeoDVqECXIwaF8W5SrdsI57PNrd9818 /kTrMNBwq5Vq24Z17BBSD7AojT07TjBSdoM8sVJAfjFWanHvLslbGipraKdVv8cK robByfFvazcGTHEX/8tslKOChmSkS2yhU6aQzNOKgN4HS29GqBnFeAaTSU08sSZX 7gBrRoBUI50= =n0Cp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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legal hacking
by jkreznar＠ininx.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Eric says ``... legal hacking is almost a necessity.'' Perry says ``You can't do legal hacks in an environment like this. It doesn't work.'' Delicious dichotomy. Here are the more extended contexts: At Wed, 18 May 94 12:13:28 -0700 hughes(a)ah.com (Eric Hughes) wrote > Legal hacking is a lot of fun. Prerequisites are a humility to learn > the structure of legal argument and access to legal materials. The > study guides for law students are generally excellent introductions to > the subject. Access to a law library is also useful for looking up > statute and decisions, but not essential, although reading at least a > few decisions is necessary for ensuring an understanding of the social > process involved in the creation of law. > And if what you want to accomplish with your computer hacking > requires, for implementation, something outside the computer hardware > and networks, legal hacking is almost a necessity. But at Sun, 07 Aug 1994 08:24:57 -0400 "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)imsi.com> wrote > The bureaucrats aren't > going to want digicash, so they are going to find plenty of excuses to > prohibit it. You can't do legal hacks in an environment like this. It > doesn't work. If the bureaucrats don't like you, they shut you down, > and there is not a damn thing you can do about it, period. > True, you can leave the country and do your business there -- I know > several hedge funds that already refuse to take any customers from the > U.S. because they don't want the headaches, and there are other > similar things happening in lots of other parts of the financial > industry. However, don't think you can finesse the folks at the Fed, > the IRS, the Treasury, and the SEC -- they are monsters, and they > won't be stopped by the courts. What differing views of ``legal hacking''! It would be wonderful if society's response to legal hacking had more of the predictability of computer hacking. But there are a hundred million constituents out there (the power behind Perry's ``monsters'') who gratuitously accept government benefits. Such a person doesn't gladly suffer any legal technicality standing between him and the pound of your flesh to which he thinks he's entitled. If you can prove that the law permits you to keep your pound, then he and his majority allies will simply change the law, requiring the IRS to collect it from you after all. This inclines me to accept Perry's cynical skepticism that legal hacking can do any good. On the other hand, Eric demonstrates time and again that his remarks are not made lightly. In this case, they bear on the prospects for the ``State Citizen'' movement that seems to be so emergent these days. I wonder how he would respond to Perry here. John E. Kreznar | Relations among people to be by jkreznar(a)ininx.com | mutual consent, or not at all. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLkdKgcDhz44ugybJAQFj5gP+IMMUdQLMY8vqG4pcmNGAroSNIxvkXlbE rSIIbR3wZddeWLxNBsK+pMT8Le3RLRqQa7bRI8MVgEed23VAmpccAn8tiLsQOzSq MdUbuFIrI7MY/t3ov0fE6pWBvoZb345g0ZH83F5EZcU9NARNp6wsVDBA2bs9aQ9d 7cz/P4kxJHQ= =JBcR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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NRO spoof
by paul＠hawksbill.sprintmrn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On the local news this morning (Washington DC) there was a clip with Sen. John Warner expressing his displeasure with how the "intelligence community" has hidden the money for a massive construction effort to house the NRO. The land was bought and permits were applied for under the guise of a development for Rockwell International. There will probably be a follow-up story in this morning's Washington Post. - paul

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NRO spoof & Wiretapping Bill
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by paul(a)hawksbill.sprintmrn.com (Paul Ferguson) on Tue, 9 Aug 6:56 AM The NY Times today also reports on the controversial NRO headquarters. Another long article reports on the wiretapping bill. One quote: "I'm not a great fan of wiretapping," said Rep. Don Edwards, who is a former FBI agent and is viewed by many as a sort of civil-rights sentry over the bureau. "But it's legal and we have to take care of it. . . . I don't think there will be objections except perhaps from purists who don't like the idea of Government listening in on conversations." End quote.

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Re: <null>
by usura＠hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <199408062304.AA24750(a)xs4all.hacktic.nl> you wrote: : The jurisdiction where this remailer could be located, preferably : shouldn't care about pornografy. [Holland, Scandinavia ?] Pornografy isn't illegal in the Netherlands, but -contrary to popular believe- child pornografy *IS* illegal in the Netherlands. -- ____ Alex de Joode <usura(a)vox.hacktic.nl> \ /__ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- \/ / "It's dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." \/ --Voltaire --finger usura(a)hacktic.nl for PGPpublicKEY--

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NRO spoof and deception
by paul＠hawksbill.sprintmrn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Front page story in the Washington Post, as expected, entitled, "Spy Unit's Spending Stuns Hill," and subtitled, "$310 Million Facility Secretly Sprouts Up Near Dulles Airport." Gee, I wondered what that building was. ,-) A couple of select quotes from the article: "The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence yesterday charged that the clandestine agency that manages the nation's spy satellites has concealed from Congress the mushrooming cost of a $310 million compund it has been secretly building near Dulles International Airport. "President Clinton declassified the existence of the proposed headquarters for the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) yesterday after several senators protested to him privately that they had been kept in the dark about the cost and scope of the project. At 1 million square feet, it is nearly one-fourth the size of the Pentagon. "The NRO, whose very existence was until two years ago an officially classified secret, is jointly overseen by the CIA and the Department of Defense. Until yesterday, the headquarters project had been publicly described as an office complex for Rockwell International Corp., the Los Angeles-based defense contractor." "DeConcini critized the Pentagon and the CIA for not providing Congress adequate information. The intelligence community is a culture that 'believes we don't have to account like everybody else in government,' he said." --------- - paul

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Re: ANNOUNCE: the TAZONO is here
by Andrew Infante 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric - If you wouldn't mind - I'd like to be removed from these mailings (for the umpteenth time! :) andy

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Re: Keepers of the keys
by Lizard 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:10 PM 7/18/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >All of this brainstorming about who might be the best choice to hold >"escrowed" keys, a la the reporter stooge Shea, or about requiring the Feds >to use the same escrow system, misses this basic point. And plays into >their hands. > >Kill the key grabbers and all those who support them. Isn't it exactly what >Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and the others would have argued? > Sure. And that is, of course, the bottom line. But even if I was a rabid national security freak, I'd *still* oppose key escrow, because it makes the nation *less* secure. It's a loser on both liberty *and* security grounds, and, since the liberty issue has already been conceded, the (political) battleground is security. The "key escrow exposes us to spies" meme has the capability to graft into the same mental reception points that the "key escrow will save us from terrorists" meme is currently attached to, much as 'blocker' viruses can prevent other viruses from infecting cells. If I were heading the NSA/CIA/FBI/etc, I'd be putting my budget into getting ringers onto every BBS, every IRC channel, every 'warez' group, every mailing list, everywhere, not wasting time on 'key escrow' when the people I'd be most interested in tracking would never ever in a million years turn their key over to the government. I'd be infiltrating, subjerting, and getting keys the old fashined way -- by tricking people into giving them to me. A key can be a gigabit in length and still be cracked just by watching what someone types in to decode a message, and the technology to do *that* is decades old, as are, sadly, the wiretap laws to permit it. The "legitimate needs of law enforcement" are already far too well served by existing holes shot in the Constitution -- there is no need to make more, and doing so will defeat the putative aims of the hawks, as well.

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Re: Postal Inspection (was Common Carriers...)
by jdd＠aiki.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In message <9408082050.AA26145(a)smds.com> FutureNerd Steve Witham writes: > That reminds me. I once got a conference announcement from Europe > in the mail. Printed on the envelope was a little icon showing a > profile of the head of a guy wearing a hat (like a policeman or > mailman's hat), and an arrow pointing from about his eye level to a > picture of an open envelope. This looked like the original envelope, > untouched, and the icon seemed to have been there from the start. What was the conference about? (If the icon was printed on the envelope, I suspect that it represented the topic of the conference or the group sponsoring it.) -- Jim Dixon

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