December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Too Much!
by L. Todd Masco 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <Pine.NXT.3.91.950106202333.12708A-100000@kisa> you write: > Yet again I have un-subbed from the list because of the S/N ratio. And >things were looking so good there for a while. You might want to try reading it from NNTP, via c2.org or hks.net. You can then use Kill files. Wonderful beasts, those. (And if more people do this, we could actually try to use some distributed mechanisms such as that that strn uses.) - - -- Todd Masco | "life without caution/ the only worth living / love for a man/ cactus(a)hks.net | love for a woman/ love for the facts/ protectless" - A Rich Cactus' Homepage - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLw32/xNhgovrPB7dAQEUBwQAhWOYKkqwHGyi2eFfnYt+8LsFU+Af3Lsl sT1VDjICu1XIAhswVfKL+h7Dn9r1pmeNHtJFF0V8S/fKGVOU5dhv+gZZwVOTjbnL a2g+MTZkh/vonVy5PLDELrpeRlcVdxR+abcg9AWahjYCFlua8NR5GjiN6iKeC1C8 o3F377//PSU= =rxxD - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLw4xuCoZzwIn1bdtAQHTNgF/T9OR6yUCu05KZW4s3MSHptRoclc31xO8 5O0jAXDA0c9oE/39smLZ++I6OoGh7Wiq =5/FC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Latency Costs of Anonymity
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: Wei Dai <weidai(a)eskimo.com> > [My idea for ATM mixes] > The problem here is that you'll have to do a RSA operation on EACH > packet. Pretty hard on the CPU... Yes, good point. It might be possible to use a stream model where the separate packets which make up a stream use the same conventional key. This allows the various packets which make up a stream to be identified as such by outsiders, but still if there are a large number of virtual streams going through the network at one time it should be possible to confuse the streams pretty well. ("I've got a crazy idea. Let's cross the streams!" -- Ghostbusters). Then you only need to do the RSA work at setup time, and you need a fast streaming cypher during the conversation. This is how the streaming-packet encryption models like IPSP or Netscape's SSL seem to work. > > I think it may be more useful rather than speaking of "true" anonymity > > to think of factor-of-N anonymity. This reflects the bandwidth costs. I > > would guess that, if you have a packet-based video converencing system, > > that today you could probably get factor-of-2 anonymity with custom > > hardware, and perhaps even more than that. > > I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "factor-of-N". I only used "true" > to distiguish it from "trivial" anonymity (such as using a pay phone). > Of course, anonymity, like security, can only be relative. By "factor-of-N" I meant anonymity where you can only pin the source of a message down to one of N possibilities. It appears to me that many of the costs will be a function of N. It will be relatively easier to cloak your source as one of say 50 possibilities than to make it any of one in a million. This is why I suggested that factor-of-2 anonymity would be the easiest. The DC-Net concept would allow two users to share a cryptographically strong pseudo-random stream, and each of them to XOR their video output with the random stream; then these modified outputs from each of them are themselves XOR'd together to produce the joint output. As long as only one sends at a time, the resulting stream is their output, but it is impossible for an outsider to determine which one is sending. The hardware requirements seem quite modest and perhaps would be adequate today even for video. > [My points about limitations on suitability of anonymity] > > This is all very true. I guess I'm just lamenting the loss of my ealier, > more naive dream that one day everyone will be anonymous (read > pseudonymous), and that physical and digital identities will be totally > seperate. I don't think we would really expect everyone to be anonymous all of the time. In our personal lives, with friends and family, it doesn't seem appropriate to expect anonymity (although my earlier quotes from Greg Bear's sci fi story suggest differently). But still I think that for people who desire it and are willing to pay the prices, anonymity would indeed be available in many or most electronic communications. So if that is your desire you should be able to achieve it. Hal -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQBVAwUBLw9Q1xnMLJtOy9MBAQEhPwH+KSYD4KhA1HOUxqOzdb2WdMuq0i1XTFzH fKMnejTqlKVbFfEnQqfHukwKpH5nFpuN7towJ1o98aGqT1ACxbSjpQ== =2mxw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Too Much!
by Johnathan Corgan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>You might want to try reading it from NNTP, via c2.org or hks.net. You >can then use Kill files. What is the group name? == Johnathan Corgan "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." jcorgan(a)scruznet.com -Isaac Asimov

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what to do about live video - all the time?
by nissim＠acs.bu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've just invented a big hassle, and if I don't start the patent process someone else will. Picture a near future in which your shirt or walkman is a 360 degree video camera sensing live video across visible and other spectra. Your shirt sends out a signal to your home computer, Your home computer archives your daily environment and activities for you. You have been sold this device on several premises. 1) crime reduction - no sane low level criminal would harass you; you have him, his biometrics, unique thermal signature etc. on video. Talk about neighborhood watch. 2) life/work productivity enhancement. What was said when? what could you have looked into today but slipped your mind? 3) warm fuzzies. Kodak style "your life in pictures." For now I'll assume the device actually works as claimed. It is affordably priced. Any normal person who has a car alarm, walkman, or laptop PC is apt to have one. You even get a small discount on your health insurance. Maybe your local taxes go down as your district votes to reduce the # of cops. For now, we assume that all the output of your video shirt is securely encrypted when it leaves the Vshirt. ISSUE 1: Who controls the data? Year 0: The devices are so rare the police don't think to ask people to supply their tapes if they witness a crime committed re: a third party. Year 3: The police subpeona Vshirts they know to be in the crime vicinity. Presumably they use their current abilities with cellphone companies to locate who's where when. Year 3.1 While reviewing Vshirt tapes police note that non-case related illegal activities are going on. Jaywalking. Speeding. Recreational drugs. Verbal assault. Life and property threatening felonies are also discovered. At this point the scene bifurcates wildly: Do the police say, "look, this is happening anyway, we need 24 hour video surveillance of everything - if nothing else to protect ourselves in court." Evidence: in the UK they video the motorways, and several public areas in the cities (soc.culture.british Jan '95) -for crime/security purposes. In the US, there are utility poles wired for sound. Design News had an item on this in their Yellow newsflash section in '93 I think. The utility poles were/are in washington DC, and supposedly only listen for gunshots. I'm pretty sure the poles could call the cops in using triangulated crime location data too. However slight the infraction, we are all lawbreakers. Do we have a right to 'not testify against ourselves" by refusing to decrypt? Can we buy (ugh.) an "attorney-client privlege" box that hold all of our data Keys in a legal fiction that the courts currently respect? Will the 5th fare any better than the 1st and second amendments? Will the state issue a "statute of limitations" on data-recorded crime, so that you can't be arrested for last year's public drunkenness? Will Vshirt makers make, or be allowed to make, devices that create -absolutely no residue- data keys? that way, if you want to protect yourself from what you happened last thursday you can set the keystrip on fire and nobody, not even you, has a hope of ever decrypting? Evidence: in the US Digital audio tape Mfrs. are required to put in some sort of copyguard. Also scanners w/image signature. In the US, reconstructed deleted files for legal purposes is considered legal evidence. There is a firm in Seattle that has even reconstructed harddisks written over with 0s for criminal (tax) cases. Citizens or their employers are required to keep and prepare documentation adequate to prepare a valid tax return. i.e., some records you _have_ to keep. and of course the digital telephony bill... What thoughtful Pro-freedom arguments can be constructed to deal with this device and its social fallout? What thoughtful software and hardware can be created? The device does not yet exist, but component parts can be assembled for less than $2000 and 17oz weight that do a fair job of mimicking it. Moore's "law" suggests that by 2000, these oughta be $19.99/month plus data charges. VoicePGP is a great jumping-off place...will there be a VideoPGP, or rather an optimized-for-videoPGP coming soon? If I've christened its existence now. I hereby declare the application of Public+private key cryptography as it especially applies to picture, live picture, and/or video transmission to be public domain. (Surely I'm not the first, but this can't hurt.) Write. Talk. Create. Protect yourselves. ObLameJoke: Well, as far as I know none of my relatives were killed by Stalin, or Mao, or interned in WWII, or blacklisted, or even jailed. I suppose a few were drafted. I guess it's about time for the forces of authority to reach into my little corner of the gene pool and crush me too. I mean, I'm missing out! Treon Verdery, posting under the auspices of Adam Almog

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I haven't read this response, until now!
by Carol Anne Braddock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear All, I haven't seen the next two responses, yet they comprise all the responses that ten news groups had made as of this posting, in my newsreader here at MM.COM. I am told there are now more, yet I think it's kind of a moot point (david(a)winternet.com was the reporter). So I am going to import the text now and read it finally. I have read the text, and I giggle a little, at who sent it. Now you already have had the advantage of seeing copy by Mr. Horwath. Mr. Logajan didn't. And didn't for a number of days. Nor did anyone anyone else either. [teacher mode on] LOOK AT THE GROUPS MR. LOGAJAN IS RESPONDING TO. HE IS ONLY REPLYING TO ONE, NOT TEN GROUPS. AND, EITHER HE OR MR. HAS CENSORED NINE OTHER GROUPS FROM THEIR RIGHTFUL REPLIES. I DO BELIEVE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT MR. HORWATH'S PRIOR POSTING, I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT HE DID TAMPER WITH THE POSTING. AND, WHAT YOU GET AS A LESSON HERE IS JUST WHY THE REMAILER PROGRAM IS IN TROUBLE. THERE JUST HAS TO BE PLAIN AND SIMPLE TRUST. MR. LOGAJAN IS UNDER THAT SIMPLE DELUSION, FOR THE MOMENT. YET AS CYPHERPUNKS, THERE IS A KIND OF AN UNSTATED UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO NOT DO THIS TO OTHERS OR OURSELVES. [teacher mode off] Mr. Horwath at least owes Mr. Logajan an apology. For misrepresentation. Mr. Horwath owes nine newsgroups an apology. For telling them (through ommission) that mn.general is more important than they are. It was about this point I was on the list again. The damage was done, and now repairs were under way. Now, the third and last response I know of, to this point.

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(fwd) Re: Phil Zimmermann
by Carol Anne Braddock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: vortex.mm.com!news2.mr.net!mr.net!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!winternet.com!icicle.winternet.com!carolann From: Carol Anne Braddock <carolann(a)icicle.winternet.com> Newsgroups: soc.support.transgendered,alt.transgendered,mn.general,alt.sex.femdom,alt.artcom,alt.sex.bondage,alt.sex,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.dreams.lucid,alt.dreams Subject: Re: Phil Zimmermann Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 04:05:13 -0600 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 317 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950102035552.23484I-100000(a)icicle.winternet.com> References: <3dtkaj$lg8(a)news-2.csn.net> <3dvdsb$ads$1(a)mhade.production.compuserve.com> <mpjD1MvLD.4Ht(a)netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: icicle.winternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <mpjD1MvLD.4Ht(a)netcom.com> Please read, and help if you can. You can get PGP at my WWW HomePage. http://www.winternet.com/~carolann Love Always, Carol Anne Registered<BETSI>BEllcore Trusted Software Integrity system programmer *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock "Give me your Tired, your Poor, your old PC's..." The TS NET REGISTERED PGP KEY NO.0C91594D carolann(a)icicle.winternet.com finger carolann(a)winternet.com |more *********************************************************************** My WWW Homepage Page is at: http://www.winternet.com/~carolann On Fri, 30 Dec 1994, Michael Paul Johnson wrote: > Christopher W. Geib <72144.1426(a)CompuServe.COM> writes: > > >Phil, > > >Could you repost here the address where we can send our support? > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Phil Zimmermann Legal Defense Fund Appeal > > In November, 1976, Martin Hellman and Whitfield Diffie announced > their discovery of public-key cryptography by beginning their paper > with the sentence: "We stand today on the brink of a revolution in > cryptography." > > We stand today on the brink of an important battle in the > revolution they unleased. Philip Zimmermann, who encoded and released > the most popular and successful program to flow from that discovery, > Pretty Good Privacy ("PGP"), may be about to go to court. > > It has been over fourteen months now since Phil was first informed > that he was the subject of a grand jury investigation being mounted by > the San Jose, CA, office of US Customs into the international > distribution, over the Internet, of the original version of the > program. On January 12th, Phil's legal team will meet for the first > time with William Keane, Assistant US Attorney for the Northern > District of California, who is in charge of the grand jury > investigation, in San Jose. An indictment, if one is pursued by the > government after this meeting, could be handed down very shortly > thereafter. > > If indicted, Phil would likely be charged with violating statute 22 > USC 2778 of the US Code, "Control of arms exports and imports." This > is the federal statute behind the regulation known as ITAR, > "International Traffic in Arms Regulations," 22 CFR 120.1 et seq. of > the Code of Federal Regulations. Specifically, the indictment would > allege that Phil violated 22 USC 2778 by exporting an item listed as a > "munition" in 22 CFR 120.1 et seq. without having a license to do so. > That item is cryptographic software -- PGP. > > At stake, of course, is far more than establishing whether Phil > violated federal law or not. The case presents significant issues and > will establish legal precedent, a fact known to everyone involved. > According to his lead counsel, Phil Dubois, the US government hopes to > establish the proposition that anyone having anything at all to do with > an illegal export -- even someone like Phil, whose only involvement was > writing the program and making it available to US citizens and who has > no idea who actually exported it -- has committed a federal felony > offense. The government also hopes to establish the proposition that > posting a "munition" on a BBS or on the Internet is exportation. If > the government wins its case, the judgment will have a profound > chilling effect on the US software industry, on the free flow of > information on the emerging global networks, and in particular upon the > grassroots movement to put effective cryptography in the hands of > ordinary citizens. The US government will, in effect, resurrect > Checkpoint Charlie -- on the Information Superhighway. > > By now, most of us who are reading this know about Phil and the > case, whether by having the program and reading the doc files or by > seeing reports in the Wall Steet Journal, Time, Scientific American, > the New York Times, Wired, US News and World Report, and hundreds of > other news outlets; on Usenet groups like talk.crypto.politics or > alt.security.pgp; or by listening to Phil give talks such as the one he > gave at CFP '94 in Chicago. We know that PGP has made great strides > since version 1.0, and is now a sophisticated encryption and > key-management package which has become the de facto standard in both > micro and mainframe environments. We know that Phil and the PGP > development team successfully negotiated a commercial license with > Viacrypt, and, through the efforts of MIT, a noncommercial license for > PGP with RSA Data Security, the holders of the patent on the RSA > algorithm on which PGP is based, thus freeing the program from the > shadow of allegations of patent infringement. We know that programs > such as PGP represent one of our best bulwarks in the Information Age > against the intrusions of public and private information gatherers. We > know that PGP is a key tool in insuring that the "Information > Superhighway" will open the world to us, without opening us to the > world. > > What we may not all know is the price Phil has had to pay for his > courage and willingness to challenge the crypto status quo. For years > now Phil has been the point man in the ongoing campaign for freely > available effective cryptography for the everyday computer user. The > costs, personal and professional, to him have been great. He wrote the > original code for PGP 1.0 by sacrificing months of valuable time from > his consulting career and exhausting his savings. He continues to > devote large amounts of his time to testifying before Congress, doing > public speaking engagements around the world, and agitating for > "cryptography for the masses," largely at his own expense. He is now > working, still for free, on the next step in PGP technology, PGP Phone, > which will turn every PC with a sound card and a modem into a secure > telephone. And we know that, just last month, he was searched and > interrogated in the absence of counsel by US Customs officials upon his > return from a speaking tour in Europe. > > Phil's legal team consists of his lead counsel, Philip Dubois of > Boulder, CO; Kenneth Bass of Venable, Baetjer, Howard & Civiletti, in > Washington, DC, first counsel for intelligence policy for the Justice > Department under President Carter; Eben Moglen, professor of law at > Columbia and Harvard Universities; Curt Karnow, a former assistant US > attorney and intellectual property law specialist at Landels, Ripley & > Diamond in San Francisco; and Thomas Nolan, noted criminal defense > attorney in Menlo Park. > > While this is a stellar legal team, what makes it even more > extraordinary is that several of its members have given their time for > free to Phil's case. Still, while their time has been donated so far, > other expenses -- travel, lodging, telephone, and other costs -- have > fallen to Phil. If the indictment is handed down, time and costs will > soar, and the members of the team currently working pro bono may no > longer be able to. Justice does not come cheap in this country, but > Phil deserves the best justice money can buy him. > > This is where you and I come in. Phil Dubois estimates that the > costs of the case, leaving aside the lawyers' fees, will run from > US$100,000 - $150,000. If Phil's team must charge for their services, > the total cost of the litigation may range as high as US$300,000. The > legal defense fund is already several thousand dollars in the red and > the airline tickets to San Jose haven't even been purchased yet. > > In September, 1993 I wrote a letter urging us all to support Phil, > shortly after the first subpoenas were issued by Customs. Today the > need is greater than ever, and I'm repeating the call. > > Phil has assumed the burden and risk of being the first to develop > truly effective tools with which we all might secure our communications > against prying eyes, in a political environment increasingly hostile to > such an idea -- an environment in which Clipper chips and digital > telephony bills are our own government's answer to our concerns. Now > is the time for us all to step forward and help shoulder that burden > with him. > > It is time more than ever. I call on all of us, both here in the > US and abroad, to help defend Phil and perhaps establish a > groundbreaking legal precedent. PGP now has an installed base of > hundreds of thousands of users. PGP works. It must -- no other > "crypto" package, of the hundreds available on the Internet and BBS's > worldwide, has ever been subjected to the governmental attention PGP > has. How much is PGP worth to you? How much is the complete security > of your thoughts, writings, ideas, communications, your life's work, > worth to you? The price of a retail application package?i Send it. > More? Send it. Whatever you can spare: send it. > > A legal trust fund, the Philip Zimmermann Defense Fund (PZDF), has > been established with Phil Dubois in Boulder. Donations will be > accepted in any reliable form, check, money order, or wire transfer, > and in any currency, as well as by credit card. > > You may give anonymously or not, but PLEASE - give generously. If > you admire PGP, what it was intended to do and the ideals which > animated its creation, express your support with a contribution to this > fund. > > * * * > > Here are the details: > > To send a check or money order by mail, make it payable, NOT to Phil > Zimmermann, but to "Philip L. Dubois, Attorney Trust Account." Mail the > check or money order to the following address: > > Philip Dubois > 2305 Broadway > Boulder, CO USA 80304 > (Phone #: 303-444-3885) > > To send a wire transfer, your bank will need the following > information: > > Bank: VectraBank > Routing #: 107004365 > Account #: 0113830 > Account Name: "Philip L. Dubois, Attorney Trust Account" > > Now here's the neat bit. You can make a donation to the PZDF by > Internet mail on your VISA or MasterCard. Worried about snoopers > intercepting your e-mail? Don't worry -- use PGP. > > Simply compose a message in plain ASCII text giving the following: > the recipient ("Philip L. Dubois, Attorney Trust Account"); the bank > name of your VISA or MasterCard; the name which appears on it; a tele- > phone number at which you can be reached in case of problems; the card > number; date of expiry; and, most important, the amount you wish to do- > nate. (Make this last item as large as possible.) Then use PGP to en- > crypt and ASCII-armor the message using Phil Dubois's public key, en- > closed below. (You can also sign the message if you like.) E-mail > the output file to Phil Dubois (dubois(a)csn.org) Please be sure to use > a "Subject:" line reading something like "Phil Zimmermann Defense Fund" > so he'll know to decrypt it right away. > > Bona fides: My relation to Phil Z. is that of a long-time user and > advocate of PGP and a personal friend. For over a year I moderated the > (no longer published) digest, Info-PGP, on the old lucpul.it.luc.edu site > here at Loyola. I am in no way involved with the administration of the > PZDF. I volunteer my time on its behalf. > Phil Dubois is Phil Z.'s lawyer and lead counsel in the Customs case. > He administers the PZDF. > To obtain a copy of my public key (with which you can verify the > signature on this doc), you have a number of options: > - Use the copy which I will append below. > - Send mail to me at hmiller(a)luc.edu with the "Subject:" line > reading "send pubkey" > - Get it by anon ftp at ftp://ftp.math.luc.edu/pub/hmiller/pubkey.hm > - Obtain it from an Internet PGP keyserver machine such as > pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.ai.mit.edu. Just send a mail message to this > address with the "Subject:" field "GET hmiller". Other keyserver > machines on the Net which accept the same message format (and > automatically synchronize keyrings with each other every 10 minutes or > so) include: > > pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.mit.edu > pgp-public-keys(a)demon.co.uk > pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.ox.ac.uk > pgp-public-keys(a)ext221.sra.co.jp > pgp-public-keys(a)kub.nl > pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.iastate.edu > pgp-public-keys(a)dsi.unimi.it > pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.dhp.com > > You can verify my public key by calling me at 312-338-2689 (home) > or 312-508-2727 (office) and letting me read you my key fingerprint > ("pgp -kvc hmiller" after you have put my key on your pubring.pgp keyring). > I include it also in my .sig, below, if that's good enough for you. > You might also note that Phil Zimmermann has signed my public key. > Hopefully he is Node #1 in your Web-of-Trust! His key is available on > the net keyservers and in the 'keys.asc' file in the PGP distribution > packages. > Phil Dubois's pubkey can also be obtained from the keyservers, if > you prefer that source to the text below, and from 'keys.asc'. Phil Z. > has signed his key as well. > > Here is Phil Dubois's public key: > > - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: 2.7 > > mQCNAiyaTboAAAEEAL3DOizygcxAe6OyfcuMZh2XnyfqmLKFDAoX0/FJ4+d2frw8 > 5TuXc/k5qfDWi+AQCdJaNVT8jlg6bS0HD55gLoV+b6VZxzIpHWKqXncA9iudfZmR > rtx4Es82n8pTBtxa7vcQPhCXfjfl+lOMrICkRuD/xB/9X1/XRbZ7C+AHeDONAAUR > tCFQaGlsaXAgTC4gRHVib2lzIDxkdWJvaXNAY3NuLm9yZz6JAJUCBRAsw4TxZXmE > uMepZt0BAT0OA/9IoCBZLFpF9lhV1+epBi49hykiHefRdQwbHmLa9kO0guepdkyF > i8kqJLEqPEUIrRtiZVHiOLLwkTRrFHV7q9lAuETJMDIDifeV1O/TGVjMiIFGKOuN > dzByyidjqdlPFtPZtFbzffi9BomTb8O3xm2cBomxxqsV82U3HDdAXaY5Xw== > =5uit > - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > Here is my (Hugh Miller's) public key: > > - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > mQCNAy7frrEAAAEEALzOAQt+eWHzXSDLRgJaQMQ7Uju1xrD9mXAZGAG1GmiTNjKl > wK68qOXrwJvnH1BmGtg8GGv53nTeabltpn5crsQVFm+0623M56/T7SOeUBWxxoa0 > vvqAA8sJ6ac1/MXY9KIgqxu8Mu6Qwf68C4OnwCbE7T71bi+fjdEdYC5Hk8UpAAUR > tB1IdWdoIE1pbGxlciA8aG1pbGxlckBsdWMuZWR1PokAlQMFEC7ryVNleYS4x6lm > 3QEBW6YD/2IOIZX9FOggNyemvPwM/EN86KW74ZGuYuTIfPCrvOMy8pFqfE33Bw93 > UkyIDj1Yh/nDlclEOO/J0tyngPn2BD2vMtaKIGRhVjnoxQc3BfzdjJ2nnHoFzAjz > 0MBxYthysmWYsyF8cQxST6LZLITKkf41dti8SVKYVRWIgkyub02HiQCVAwUQLt/F > oNEdYC5Hk8UpAQHD1wP9GdN9OHAKkIRsHeHy0wsEkI4Emb/bHiU+W59Zw7NPWsWF > 3WTT1z8GKNToQLUdysbbJuSSk3rD3F4SNGJ+KPjR4674pmEfCVVP8cQPXEl4a3Zs > xSLWNI6rG3muUAfLdyZiFP08NthOVlP2h1aOLCqIgkjEYMfQNEgkefBRJd6JywI= > =hWCA > - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > * * * > > This campaign letter will be posted in a number of Usenet groups. > I will also be turning it into a FAQ-formatted document, which will be > posted monthly in the relevant groups and which will be available by > anonymous ftp from ftp://ftp.math.luc.edu/pub/hmiller/PGP/pzdf.FAQ. If > you come upon, or up with, any other ways in which we can help raise funds > for Phil, drop me a line at hmiller(a)luc.edu and let me know, so that I > can put it in the FAQ. > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > iQCVAwUBLvFO3tEdYC5Hk8UpAQF6IwQAp3Ig71gGRj/dDGXDBdqj55uMQQsywhi2 > pEzh0arfrRonqMX0UleysqYqjcUtm0rvbrXoYUy8a9vJzj4Wuyf1dQ6WyqBkcmOX > z7RGtoLVxsfTjNNTrY0810SXx/yOMYtBW7mq+zNmqEykGFZTdfsVKFEyFw6AJ//B > Ah+LQNb01Xo= > =aW2m > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > Hugh Miller, Ph.D. Voice: 312-508-2727 > Asst. Professor of Philosophy FAX: 312-508-2292 > Loyola University Chicago Home: 312-338-2689 > 6525 N. Sheridan Rd. E-mail: hmiller(a)luc.edu > Chicago, IL 60626 WWW: http://www.luc.edu/~hmiller > PGP Public Key 4793C529: FC D2 08 BB 0C 6D CB C8 0B F9 BA 55 62 19 40 21 -- Signature withdrawn at the request (pretty rightfully so) of my dear friends on the Cypherpunk List Coming Soon: The Internet Debut of CENSORED.COM

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(fwd) Re: Phil Zimmermann
by Carol Anne Braddock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Organization: Minnesota MicroNet, St. Paul, MN Path: vortex.mm.com!news2.mr.net!mr.net!winternet.com!drechsau From: drechsau(a)winternet.com (Mike Horwath) Newsgroups: soc.support.transgendered,alt.transgendered,mn.general,alt.sex.femdom,alt.artcom,alt.sex.bondage,alt.sex,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.dreams.lucid,alt.dreams Subject: Re: Phil Zimmermann Followup-To: soc.support.transgendered,alt.transgendered,mn.general,alt.sex.femdom,alt.artcom,alt.sex.bondage,alt.sex,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.dreams.lucid,alt.dreams Date: 5 Jan 1995 23:57:09 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3ei10l$mvo(a)blackice.winternet.com> References: <3dtkaj$lg8(a)news-2.csn.net> <3dvdsb$ads$1(a)mhade.production.compuserve.com> <mpjD1MvLD.4Ht(a)netcom.com> <Pine.SUN.3.91.950102035552.23484I-100000(a)icicle.winternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: icicle.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] We wish to apologize for Carol Anne's actions while with Winternet. This account has been deleted for breach of our AUP. Questions, comments, problems or general bitching, please reply to this message. -- Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau LIFE: Lover drechsau(a)winternet.com Winternet: info(a)winternet.com root(a)jacobs.mn.org <- Linux! Twin Cities area Internet Access: 612-941-9177 for more info Founding member of Minnesota Coalition for Internet Accessibility -- Signature withdrawn at the request (pretty rightfully so) of my dear friends on the Cypherpunk List Coming Soon: The Internet Debut of CENSORED.COM

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(fwd) Re: Phil Zimmermann
by Carol Anne Braddock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: vortex.mm.com!news2.mr.net!mr.net!skypoint.com!jlogajan From: jlogajan(a)skypoint.com (John Logajan) Newsgroups: mn.general Subject: Re: Phil Zimmermann Date: 6 Jan 1995 05:09:12 GMT Organization: SkyPoint Communications, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3eij9o$8nu(a)stratus.skypoint.net> Reply-To: jlogajan(a)skypoint.com NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage.skypoint.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Mike Horwath (drechsau(a)winternet.com) wrote: : We wish to apologize for Carol Anne's actions while with Winternet. : This account has been deleted for breach of our AUP. : Questions, comments, problems or general bitching, please reply to this : message. Since you are publicly accusing Carol Anne of "breach of our AUP", you better explain what horrible crime she committed. -- - John Logajan -- jlogajan(a)skypoint.com -- 612-633-0345 - - 4248 Hamline Ave; Arden Hills, Minnesota (MN) 55112 USA - - WWW URL = http://www.skypoint.com/subscribers/jlogajan - -- Signature withdrawn at the request (pretty rightfully so) of my dear friends on the Cypherpunk List Coming Soon: The Internet Debut of CENSORED.COM

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(fwd) Re: Phil Zimmermann
by Carol Anne Braddock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: vortex.mm.com!news2.mr.net!mr.net!winternet.com!news From: "Mr.Fish" <mwalleye(a)winternet.com> Newsgroups: soc.support.transgendered,alt.transgendered,mn.general,alt.sex.femdom,alt.artcom,alt.sex.bondage,alt.sex,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.dreams.lucid,alt.dreams Subject: Re: Phil Zimmermann Date: 6 Jan 1995 05:39:51 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3eil37$6a(a)blackice.winternet.com> References: <3dtkaj$lg8(a)news-2.csn.net> <3dvdsb$ads$1(a)mhade.production.compuserve.com> <mpjD1MvLD.4Ht(a)netcom.com> <Pine.SUN.3.91.950102035552.23484I-100000(a)icicle.winternet.com> <3ei10l$mvo(a)blackice.winternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mwalleye.winternet.com > We wish to apologize for Carol Anne's actions while with Winternet. > > This account has been deleted for breach of our AUP. > > Questions, comments, problems or general bitching, please reply to this > message. > > -- > Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau LIFE: Lover drechsau(a)winternet.com Looking at the groups that you cross-posted, I sure as heck would like to know what she did to get kicked off?;) What the heck do you have to apologize for Mike? Unless you might of been involved too?;) I told you you've been working too hard. Come on now bud, give us the lowdown! -- Signature withdrawn at the request (pretty rightfully so) of my dear friends on the Cypherpunk List Coming Soon: The Internet Debut of CENSORED.COM

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Nope, the Skypoint Newsreader didn't carry any of the 9 groups.
by Carol Anne Braddock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear All, And, amazingly neither does MM.Com. And if I'm going to infer, I'd better go back and look at the facts on hand. No, Mr. Horwath's reader has up to 4,500 or so groups in it at any given moment. Here at MM.Com we only have 1,009 to be precise. So let us remind ourselves that this didn't even get "full" coverage in a lot of places. And, in some maybe none at all. So stay tuned, as the story of the anonymous remailer cartel works it's way into place. I have a chain.exe script in the winternet.files. Spose I could go net.rad and go get another from soda.berkeley or somewhere. Look remailers, meet somehwere face to face, shake hands, hug each other, cut a deal eyeball to eyeball, just do the best you can with what you've got. So remailer cartel 1.0 has a bug or two. So does all humanity. Even so did my logic for a minute or two (only). So go somewhere fun and sort it out. And write what wonderful "vacations" you having, as you all will be MAKING MONEY FAST, within hours after your glorious return to civilization. (even money says the anon server bounces this to somebody) And as I stated four postings ago. No Mr. Ste. Marie only ten, and as we saw in some cases only one. not hundreds or thousands, just a few. .1% One One Tenth of a Percent. And, one instance of One One Hundreth of a Percent. About as bad as the pentium bug story. And that's still an acceptable post in any group. Somebody uses PGP in any of those groups. They are my friends. I hope I can learn remailer procedure and code soon, it looks fun. Thanks for your time. Love Always, Carol Anne

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