December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Carl Ellison
by mech＠eff.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone have Carl Ellison's new eaddr? It's important. Thanks. -- Stanton McCandlish * mech(a)eff.org * Electronic Frontier Found. OnlineActivist F O R M O R E I N F O, E - M A I L T O: I N F O @ E F F . O R G O P E N P L A T F O R M O N L I N E R I G H T S V I R T U A L C U L T U R E C R Y P T O

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Re: RSA-129
by Istvan Oszaraz von Keszi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry E. Metzger wrote: > "Istvan Oszaraz von Keszi" says: > > Now let's see, where's my slide rule, let's see 5,000 mips years > > at $30,000 /mips = damn, where is that calculator. :-) > > $30,000/mips? Huh? You haven't gotten out much in ten years, have you? Sorry, we're in Canada, eh. Loooonies, eh. And you wonder why big-iron sales are bleak?? Quote of the week: IBM unveiled it's new line of mainframes before an audience of 300 customers at a Toronto hotel. Over heard at the bar: " I never realized, there were OTHERS, I thought we were the only ones !! "

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Re: AT&T, Clipper, & Saudi Arabia
by paul＠poboy.b17c.ingr.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Can we please confine paranoia to reasonable areas -- like AT&T's sales > of secure phones to the government? The U.S. government has a very long > record of pushing American products against foreign competitors, such as > Boeing versus Airbus. I have great respect for you, Steve, but in this case I must humbly disagree with you. The US government does have a very long record of promoting US products for foreign sales, but it is certainly rare for the President himself to get involved so publically. Do you really think that selling 50,000 secure phones would be _that_ attractive to AT&T? It would certainly be attractive to the particular business unit in charge of selling them, but not nearly as attractive as the promise of help in the future. > Of course, there is a quid pro quo here -- but it's Clinton reminding the > Saudis about Desert Storm. Considering that the Saudis paid for a large fraction of the monetary cost of Desert <foo>, and that they have made or attempted to make substantial FMS and civilian purchases from the US, they very well may feel that they have discharged their debt. I think it's reasonable to visualize a conversation in which the administration promised to "help AT&T in the future" in exchange for AT&T's adoption of Clipper. It certainly may not have been as blatant as my satirical letter, but that doesn't make it less plausible. - -Paul - -- Paul Robichaux, KD4JZG | Out the 10Base-T port, through the router, perobich(a)ingr.com | over the leased line, off the bridge, past Intergraph Federal Systems | the firewall... nothing but net. Of course I don't speak for Intergraph. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLb/UACA78To+806NAQFltgP+ILjjQTG2EOlnj9+csJHC5q8v2cwXwaUo Y5MMShgVShUB4xe3knS6UPShEW2YemGGzvfWWIO+O1hgiXLWKbxclnRB/UCgne4G J+0TJzwZGu6WxD/IEoOMvFkFisJauqpeL4uP7DgaWtAcV5LeBg4mKoTgxGvZaE7i r4nNBLkJdI4= =IB4g -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Directory of 'punks
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry writes: >"Jim Sewell" says: >> >> Thank you for the preliminary (<2 hrs) response to the posting. I have >> not gotten a "that's a bad idea" letter yet of the 7 replies so I will >> assume this is a "Good Thing" tm. > >Here is my vote for "its a bad idea". Cypherpunks is NOT an >organization. Leave the organizational fronting to people like CPSR >and EFF who have good PR people and know what they are doing. They've >done a great job thus far. > >If we want to answer blowhards who claim we are a small number of >nuts, we can just show off the Time magazine poll. Yeah, what he said. -- Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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Re: Directory of 'punks
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Keep in mind, anyone can 'who' the list from majordomo and get a list of who is subscribed. You face the assumption that you are a pencil-necked geek who was too busy doing your trig to attend Woodstock. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden(a)krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) <- Annonymous posting gets more and more interesting.

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your WSJ article, today
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bravo. Good article. Except: "What will they do when people start encrypting messages to each other?" suggests that this isn't happening. I've been routinely encrypting e-mail since 1981 -- including overseas traffic. Still -- good article. Thanks. - Carl P.S. We need to establish that publishing an article on an FTP server or via an e-mail newsletter is, in fact, publication according to the first amendment. This may be the wrong case to establish that precedent but it needs to be established.

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Satellites, the NSA, & Clipper
by djw＠eff.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just returned from a presentation at Comsat about Clipper and other crypto issues. They asked EFF & NIST to come and square off before them so that they could begin to think about the issues. They may not get too deeply involved, but most of the manufacturers & users represented seemed quite sympathetic to our position. I also picked up an amusing tidbit. All satellites that carry US government traffic must have an NSA-designed black box which secures the satellite control channel from enemy interference (ie. Libya tries to move US satellites around to screw up our communications). Guess who builds the black box. You got it, Mykotronx. ************************************************************************** "Only in a police state is the job of a policeman easy." --Orson Welles ...................................................................... Daniel J. Weitzner, Senior Staff Counsel <djw(a)eff.org> Electronic Frontier Foundation 202-347-5400 (v) 1001 G St, NW Suite 950 East 202-393-5509 (f) Washington, DC 20001 *** Join EFF!!! Send mail to membership(a)eff.org for information ***

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Directory of 'punks
by Jim Sewell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As another thought, would there be interest in compiling a list of cypherpunks who agreed to be included, their occupations, and any notable experiences such as "Served for 3 years on the Foreign Affairs Committee" or whatever. With tools like a "press kit" and a directory of members we will become viewed as a cross-section of America, citizens with a point of view shared by many, contributors to the general welfare of society rather than a bunch of fanatical computer geeks that haven't given anything to society. (well, maybe...it's a tough battle.) Jim -- Tantalus Inc. Jim Sewell Amateur Radio: KD4CKQ P.O. Box 2310 Programmer Internet: jims(a)mpgn.com Key West, FL 33045 C-Unix-PC Compu$erve: 71061,1027 (305)293-8100 PGP via email on request. 1K-bit Fingerprint: 8E 14 68 90 37 87 EF B3 C4 CF CD 9A 3E F9 4A 73

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Re: CIA & FBI, a marriage made in ___?
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Black Unicorn (from an earlier post) In so far as the law is a matter of perspective, I think everyone should try to embrace the concepts of the law, and in particular, the constitution. (from the above named post) Yes, I'm tired of the issue [of the political aspects of crypto] being framed as a crime problem that needs political attention through law enforcement when in actuality it is a question of regulation and domestic policy. ...................................................... I'm not seeing the consistency in embracing the concepts of the law, while questioning the regulation of crypto through law enforcement. It all rather looks the same to me: political attention-> law enforcement-> regulation-> domestic policy. ?? Blanc

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Re: Paranoia
by Phil G. Fraering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I personally can't think of any reason for an elite fighting force to >be stationed in an area of urban sprawl. Uh, last time I checked, the most recent two conflicts the U.S. may be getting involved in or got involved in were in Mogudishu and in urban areas in the former Yugoslavia. Not to mention the urban environment of Seoul. Whether you're a hawk or a dove, the fact is, the US has been, might be, or just plain is (if there's a war in Korea) committed to conflicts where there's going to be combat in an urban or "suburban" area. You might debate the wisdom of our overseas commitments, etc., but if you think we should have an army that should have as its hope of survival the idea that the enemy will always be fighting in rural areas, you're foolish in the extreme, and if you implement those ideas you will kill a great many of your own army. Phil

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