December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Another prong in the attack atainst Clipper.
by GRABOW_GEOFFREY＠tandem.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------------ TEXT ATTACHMENT -------- SENT 03-20-94 FROM GRABOW_GEOFFREY @LONGIS Greetings c'punks. Regarding the discussions at the physical meeting, I'm in the progress of compiling a list of BBSs in my area. I plan to walpaper 'em with a letter about Clipper. The reason for this is that most average "hacks" have little or no information about Clipper. When I chatted with some folks on the BBSs, many of them didn't know what I was talking about. The attack I'm forming uses public awareness. We need to educate Joe 6-Pack. If I tell 100 people, I would hope that 3 of them would become concerned. To this end, I'm asking for suggestions for a letter (no more than 1000 words 'cause people too lazy to read a lot) that explains in J.6. terms what Clipper is and why it is a thing to be avoided. When I get something together, I'll post it for corrections and/or enhancements. Then, if everybody on this list posts it on 5 other places, we might actually get somewhere. I look forward to hearing from y'all, G.C.G. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Geoffrey C. Grabow | "What we demand are rigidly defined | | Oyster Bay, New York | areas of doubt and uncertainty!" | | | -------------------- | | grabow_geoffrey(a)tandem.com | Clipper, SkipJack & Digital Telephony | | | JUST SAY NO!!! | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3a mQCNAiz/qhsAAAEEAN4QxTfSBoeP/FCiaX0/KmCkl6BcKRa1PeoP6ZlPWydg1nOx yZAk8pIdgiGxxgiMBMsqD+SrU+Sl1Fx1AdJ14HJsBp1V6G4rBTZqvFpbNPCfrQfz K/Apg+7bBpi5Qv+sQ0TWIy38zp/laArgcdUOpE4oE2UOUBVEtYvm47K2P+i5AAUR tC9HZW9mZnJleSBDLiBHcmFib3cgPGdyYWJvd19nZW9mZnJleUB0YW5kZW0uY29t Pg== =2NWi -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Two more anon.penet.fi bounces
by Jason Zions 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Messages Return-Path: daemon(a)anon.penet.fi Return-Path: <daemon(a)anon.penet.fi> Received: from hal.com (hal-backbone) by latte.hal.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.2) id AA14635; Fri, 18 Mar 94 21:18:38 CST Received: from anon.penet.fi by hal.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA26106; Fri, 18 Mar 94 19:16:47 PST Received: by anon.penet.fi (5.67/1.35) id AA00125; Sat, 19 Mar 94 04:14:49 +0200 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 04:14:49 +0200 From: daemon(a)anon.penet.fi Message-Id: <9403190214.AA00125(a)anon.penet.fi> To: jazz(a)hal.com Subject: Anonymous service rejected your mail. You, jazz(a)hal.com, have requested mail forwarding to na69591. This was rejected, as the user is unknown. Either the id has never been allocated, or the id has been removed at the request of the user. ------- End of Forwarded Messages

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Re: EFF gun-shy of legally employing PGP (fwd)
by Harry Shapiro Hawk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------ From: Eric Hughes, Mon, Mar 21, 1994 ------ > > 3) EFF is a Mac shop, but our licensed copy of Viacrypt doesn't run on the > > Mac. > MacRIPEM is both easy to use and runs on a Mac. There may be other Eric Apple System 7 Pro comes with Digital Sig. capability. It may not be as secure as PGP, but it would be a good first step. /hawk Harry Shapiro Hawk Manager of Computer Services Warwick Baker & Fiore habs(a)uucp.warwick.com

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Re: anti-security measures
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I need to convince someone of their need for security. If anyone out there >could send me a good trojan program or direct me to somewhere where I can find >code or how to code one I would appreciate it. Other security buster measures >would also be nice. :) Thanks. Heh. I need to convince someone of their need for physical security. If anyone out there could supply me with several pounds of C4, a high-powered rifle, and a large caliber handgun, I'd appreciate it. Other lethal weapons would also be nice. Thanks. -- Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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Re: spyproofing your house/work building
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wayne Q Jones excretes: > >With FLIR you have SLIR OTH UV LOW LIGHT from the military (Billy boy >is itching to deploy here in the good ole USA). Remote Sensing RADAR SONAR >Stealth RADAr, Remote Imaging SYStems all kinds of goodies coming home. >TO do what..fight crime..Yeah right. I remember law and order Nixon. > Cryptography is the least of your problems. A high tech military is >coming home and Billy wants to put them to use on our streets..>!!! >He just loves gadgets. Dissent may become passse' in America. Stupidity, on the other hand, is _always_ in style, eh, Wayne? Whyncha see whether you can locate a second neuron up in that vast, echoing space? You might get better results rubbing two of 'em together. And, hey, if you're going to go out, don't forget your tinfoil hat! The alien radio control beams are pretty thick out there today. -- Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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RE: How to control Internet? Buy it!
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm having a nightmare about a Microsoft-like domination of global communications, complete with SPA police, etc. ................................. Unlike the government, Microsoft and McCaw Cellular both depend upon a customer-driven market for their acceptance. They must convince their customers that they are better than the competition in providing a similar service; they must adjust this service to the customer's requests & preferences or lose the account. Blanc

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PGP BBS site
by Stanton McCandlish 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Need to refer someone (US citizen, currently in the US) to a BBS that is carrying the current PGP. Any pointers? He's in Edgewater FL, but is willing to call LD to get it. No net access. Thanks.

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No Subject
by cowen＠glia.biostr.washington.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

in response to the post about the joe-six-pack worry level if they get clipper int he phone next they will have it in the fax's the TV is next, seeing that most of it in 10 years will go over smart lines to give you more choices, there was a 10,000 home test in broklyn just last year, the NSA and other agencies won't give up the opptunity to easily, in fact they might just go around " those dumb congressmen" if the chip and the means to make it are banded by law. my financee who hearing me talk about this list, and hte clipper has gone out and told others in a laymens term,, " hey did you know the gov't is trying to put a chip in all new fones that could make it possible for hte police to just listen in on your talks to others. just by pressing a few keys" though it is not to acurate, it gets the point across to joe and jill making them wonder at what they are saying and who might be listening.. wonder what it all will bring in 20 years?? charles the monster maker

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CLIPPER COMPROMISED?
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- For anyone interested: >_____ begin fwd ___________ > >CLIPPER COMPROMISED? "Security Insider Report," a monthly >newsletter published in Seminole, Fla., has reported that >government officials are seeking to determine whether former CIA >employee and alleged traitor Aldrich Ames may have sold >information to the Russians about the government's secret >key-escrow technology used in Clipper Chip chipsets and Capstone >Tessera cards. The secret key-escrow technology, dubbed >Skipjack, can be used to encrypt network voice and data. _____ end _________________ Security Insider Report is published by Interpact press 11511 Pine St. N. Seminole, Fl 34642 Phone 813.393.6600 Fax 813.393.6361 The managing editor is none other than computer security professional, privacy advocate, and author of TERMINAL COMPROMISE, Winn Schwartau. Winn is a highly sought after lecturer on computer security matters, and is notorious for "Inside" contacts. It is said the NSA scoured it's ranks after TERMINAL COMPROMISE came out. T.C. was released as the first Internet novel (its in softcover as well) and should be widely available. He is supposed to be a releasing a new book soon (it may already be out) titled INFORMATION WARFARE. Having had the pleasure of meeting and talking at length with Winn, I am of the opinion that he may be on to something here. Brian Williams Extropian Cypherpatriot "Cryptocosmology: Sufficently advanced comunication is indistinguishable from noise." --Steve Witham -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLY3ul9CcBnAsu2t1AQG0DAQAiDhW/QAh75/YDgpPsGV2+k5oISLltaoh 2NfhX+kBK5j/SYCM7jWuWSDmdFV5p0V/D+TnG153PH04RrVulHx3my3mJies9Lrs uYNlmn5Qw19ig5hbbG9d72DRbKoM5pOuTBCe54h1KWu28Q6OJykIGKVIVH7YRcpl C4+gonUnzPA= =3Iqw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by cowen＠glia.biostr.washington.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

in response to rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in about jeo-six-pack and the general public those folks, are the ones that could make an outcry that would bring to light the NSA trying to hoodwink us all. though they might not have much power as individuals, take any group in mass, and you get power might not be a controlable power, but that is what you got. i would rather inform as many people about the things i read on this list as just set at home and say, "don 't bother they'll never understand it"" apathy of any kind can kill you and will stunt your creative growth. charles the monster maker

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