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re: Sick Wacko in the Whitehouse
by citizenQ 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

You were NOT paying close enough attention during the election. "We" did not allow this sub-normal to become president. The Republican machine saw to it, unable to be thwarted by the Democratic machine. Neither of which have anything to do with "us." Our only hope is that his is an "assisted living" situation, surrounded by enough possibly more intelligent and experienced men and women to prevent the most heinous missteps. Hopefully the posturing that everyone is "shoulder to shoulder" and "fully behind" the President is only because that's what has to be said to keep the sheeple quiet, and not because that's what the huge and intentionally ponderous US Government machine really thinks. > How did you people ever allow this delusional sub-normal wacko >to become your leader? For those of us old enough to remember, >he sounds more and more like Adolf Hitler. >God help us all.

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RE: update your email address
by NewTopLevelExtensions.com 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

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Catallaxy
by Jim Choate 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Catalaxy (20th Century) Politics/Economics [1] A theory of a desirable society, set out by the Austrian economist and political theorist F. A. Hayek (1899-1992). A 'catallxy' is a market order without planned ends, characterized by the 'spontaneous order' which emerges when individuals pursue their own ends within a framework set by law and tradition. The function of government is to maintain the rule of law which guarantees fair and equal procedures, but is neutral as to goals. F. A. Hayek , Legislation and Liberty (London, 1982) [1] Dictionary of Theories J. Bothamley ISBN 1-57859-045-0 -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CNN Using 1991 Footage of Celebrating Palestinians?
by Matthew Gaylor 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

CNN Using 1991 Footage of Celebrating Palestinians Can anyone verify this? http://www.indymedia.org.il/imc/israel/webcast/display.php3?article_id=6946 ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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New flight rules
by Dynamite Bob 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Airlines would only be allowed to provide passengers with plastic knives and butter knives to eat their meals, an FAA spokesman said. http://sg.news.yahoo.com/010912/1/1fwyc.html Also: only crayons, no pens or pencils. All PDAs, with their sharp styli and brittle glass displays, will be replaced with Etch-a-Sketch toys. Also all fingernails must be trimmed to 2mm past the fingerpad, this must be done before passing through security as nailclippers with nailfiles will not be permitted on board, either. Good thing none of the Martyr Airlines dudes shorted out their laptop batteries to make a diversion... ...... Jeezus guys, get a clue. You can't pull the same stunt twice, whether its a 'normal' hijacking which turns out to be different (so much for passenger compliance..), or the latest social-engineering virus trick. The rubes *do* learn. The next time, its a bottle of Japanese Subway Perfume. Alas, a lot less eye candy with that.

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An Open Letter on Privacy and Anonymity (fwd)
by Jim Choate 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:37:11 -0700 From: Eric Hughes <eh-cypherpunks(a)grace.speakeasy.net> Reply-To: cypherpunks(a)ssz.com To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com Subject: CDR: An Open Letter on Privacy and Anonymity 2001 September 12 An Open Letter on Privacy and Anonymity Fellow Citizens of the United States of America: I am moved to write as a founder of a movement that, far beyond my own efforts, has eloquently expressed an ideal, the ideal of privacy in society. Privacy is not uniquely American, yet it is at the core of the American ideal, at the core of free speech that enables human connection, at the core of free association that builds society up from a savage state, at the core of liberty. I helped to start cypherpunks, a movement for privacy in the digital world. Cypherpunks is a diverse movement with no explicit doctrine, yet with a deep shared desire for human liberty. Let none who call me friend say that the events of September 11 are anything other than a dark day upon humanity. In the midst of the violence, I see a thirst for the taste of the blood of vengeance in the mouths of many of my fellow citizens. I see that destruction will ineluctably ride upon the opponents of the country of these my fellow citizens. So be it. I do not seek here to forestall or to avoid the violence directed toward the perpetrators of these deeds. I write as a citizen of the United States that our country may avoid a self-inflicted wound against liberty. The terrorists have struck a blow against liberty, it is said. The terrorists will strike again, it is said. I say to all, let us not strike the second blow against ourselves. Today we are seeking an enemy unknown, an enemy who is hiding, as well they ought to. The thirst that drives our country forward now cannot be slaked without the apprehension of those responsible, and we have yet to identify or find them. We now have a great temptation before us, to lash out at those amongst ourselves who may be thought to have given succor to our enemies, at those amongst ourselves who may be thought to still provide them solace and deception, and at those amongst ourselves whom some dislike for unrelated reasons. I wish to repeat again the words of Governor Davis of California, who spoke yesterday that "we are all Americans." We are all Americans, and we should not attack ourselves. We are all Americans, and we should not fight each other in the streets. We are all Americans, and we should not turn our law enforcement apparatus and our national security infrastructure against the very liberties that we all hold dear. The goal of these terrorists is to restrict freedoms in America, to steal its essence and to weaken it. I shall pray we do not cooperate with this their goal in a hot-headed rush to immediate results. Let the anger of this country be cold and calmly directed, that the accompaniment of wrath be precision. The terrorists are cowards, it is said. Shall America be a coward to itself? We have an excess of strength to expend upon our opponents, be they external or internal. We will find that there are internal champions of liberty that have without conspiracy or knowledge furthered the plans of our opponents, who have taken advantage of the liberties that America offers all who enter her shores. Many of these champions I know personally, because cypherpunks have enabled liberty on-line to all takers, without discrimination and without distinction. Let the prevailing wrath be directed not against those to promote liberty, but those who consciously seek to destroy it. We need not curtail our liberty in order to save it. The message is seductive that we may more effectively fight for liberty if we limit our freedoms for a time whose end has yet to be announced. Yet this is not the message of America, but of several of its vanquished enemies. For liberty is not fair-weather clothing that may only be worn when the weather is good. Liberty is rather the jewel in the locket, the most prized possession short of family and life itself. We diminish ourselves if we rationalize our freedom away in an evanescent fog of rhetoric about efficiency. Liberty is not efficient; it is expensive and tortuous, and as an American people we desire it before most everything else. As we enter a new century, let us demonstrate the true strength of an open society -- that it can withstand the threat of demagoguery even as it remains a powerful actor against an external threat. This is the ideal that our strength may manifest, that a democracy may express its power as a democracy itself, and not as a police state masquerading as one. I stand with the Federal Congress and sing "America, my home, sweet home." For I live upon this land and soil, with other people who have set their lives along the course of freedom. I pray that we may all pass through this dark time with the dignity of our own ideals intact, that we may pass through to the other side with renewed vigor to pursue the cause of freedom over all the earth. My heart grieves with those who have lost, yet it also rejoices that we might yet undergo this ordeal as a country and emerge stronger and more faithful to our own nature. May peace be with you all, with the fullness of your existence in tow. Eric Hughes [Please feel free to post this at will.]

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Eric Hughes' email
by Dr. Evil 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Hi, does anyone have a copy of the email Eric Hughes sent out? I somehow didn't get it and I can't find it in the archive. Thanks!

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C E L L O D E P O T . C O M INITIAL OFFER
by Cellodepot.com 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

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Re: An Open Letter on Privacy and Anonymity
by Nomen Nescio 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Eric Hughes wrote: > 2001 September 12 > An Open Letter on Privacy and Anonymity It's a well written letter, unquestionably. But there's a problem. While the title of the letter refers to privacy and anonymity, these terms are hardly used in the body. Privacy is referred to only in the first paragraph were Eric introduces himself as a founder of the cypherpunks, a privacy organization. And anonymity is never mentioned at all! Any essay which purports to address a topic ought to mention it, don't you think? What if he had titled it, an open letter on pedophilia and child abuse? Would the arguments in the letter then automatically mean that we should support those activities? Mostly the letter contains calls for the preservation of liberty. Unfortunately, every politician in the United States, while voting for the most Draconian martial law curfews ever seen, would endorse each paragraph in Eric's message. Without some specifics tying these calls for liberty to concrete policy questions, the letter is not as strong as it should be. > We need not curtail our liberty in order to save it. The message is > seductive that we may more effectively fight for liberty if we limit our > freedoms for a time whose end has yet to be announced. How broadly do we take this? What about the elimination of curbside baggage checkins at airports? Is this a curtailment of our liberty? Is it a sign that we have diminished ourselves? Or is it a reasonable precaution in the face of terrorist hijackings? The letter from Sean Hastings suffered from the same vagueness: > Do not let your natural reactions of fear or anger help ANYONE to > further their short term political goals, or impose any "temporary" > measures. No "temporary" measures? They shouldn't have banned flights on Tuesday? Why not, exactly? Seemed like a wise precaution to most people. And no furthering of short-term political goals? The politicians have been wanting to dip into the social security "lockbox" for months. Now they can. Is this wrong? Isn't it just a matter of changing priorities which everyone will support? Why are we seeing such vague generalities from obviously talented writers? Let's see people go to the heart of the issue. If you want to argue for privacy and anonymity, make the case! The fact that no one will come out and make an argument for these technologies suggests that it is because they are afraid that any argument will be too weak to stand. Eric Hughes, take on this challenge. Write an essay, not in defense of liberty, but in defense of privacy and anonymity, as you promised in your title. And do it at a time when some of the best leads towards tracing these attackers are possible exactly because of a lack of privacy and anonymity. Tell us why the world would be a better place if it were impossible to trace these men. It's not an impossible argument. But it's not easy, either, like supporting freedom. Let's see it done, by someone as talented as you.

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re: \"Ending States That Support Terrorism\"
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 02:36 PM 9/13/2001 -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: >It looks like the game that is being played here, is that all countries are being given an opportunity to pledge unconditional support and cooperation for Bush's "War" against those rendering aid to terrorism, now declared to be the primary focus of his administration, and whoever declines will constitute the enemy. Reminds me of the scene in Gladiator in which Crowe's character is asked by the new Emperor (who has ascended the throne Klingon-style) to kiss his ring (the one he just took off his father's still warm body) as a sign of allegiance. He tell's Crowe, "I will ask you only once..." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.0 wmAEARECACAFAjuhMqIZHGtleXNlci1zb3plQGh1c2htYWlsLmNvbQAKCRAg4ui5IoBV n+ddAKCJ5EEuOQfswvXRoYrg8SoZrRhfkACfRPZ3b2NhVz3hm0UxQTW2rkgjkwI= =LMHT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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