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The Enemies List
by Tim May 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

On Friday, September 14, 2001, at 05:13 AM, chefren wrote: > On 13 Sep 2001, at 20:38, Tim May wrote: > >> On Thursday, September 13, 2001, at 06:22 PM, chefren wrote: >> >> Cypherpunks, I am forwarding this complete with names of cc:s attached >> to show you some of the enemies out there. I've gotten several personal >> e-mails. I am asking Declan, my friend, NOT to forward my posts to his >> various lists., > > So why do you forward this to the cypherpunks list? What > gives you the moral right? So that they will know their enemy. --Tim May

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RE: "Attack on America" - a Personal Response (fwd)
by Trei, Peter 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

> Riad S. Wahby[SMTP:rsw@mit.edu] wrote: > > > As to the point, if nations can't participate in terrorism then exactly > > what is it that Afghanistan is being theatened with for harboring the > > raghead? Exactly why did their leaders go into hiding again? Exactly why > is > > Pakistan running around like a sub-woofie? Exactly why did the US use > > F-111's to drop bombs on a particular 'rogue state' for engaging in > > 'terrorism' (ie Libya)? What exactly do you thing Amin was doing, > besides > > killing croc's that is... > > None of the above is relevant. According to 22 USC Sec. 2656f(d) [1]: > > the term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically > motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant > targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents > > The House Subcommittee on National Security, Veterans' Affairs, and > International Relations has stated that the above sets the standard > for a terrorist act [2]. > > By this definition, it's pretty clear that the events of 9/11 were > terrorism. > Riad: Two points: 1. Goverments misdefine things whenever it fits their purposes. I don't see that other have to automatically bow before their definition. 2. *Even if*, for the sake of argument, we decide to use the text you quote as a definition; I fail to see how it rules out the possibility of nations engaging in terrorism - because of the phrase 'clandestine agents'. Clandestine agents include secret services. To give just two example: When Libyan agents carried out the bombing over Lockerbie, was that terrorism, or an act of war? When the CIA secretly mined the harbors of Nicaragua, was that terrorism, or an act of war? Peter Trei

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Minaret of Freedom Institute- libertarian Muslim's Statement
by Matthew Gaylor 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

"The Minaret of Freedom Institute condemns the apparent terrorist attacks that have taken place this morning Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001 and expresses our sympathy to the victims and their families. We call on American Muslims to volunteer to give blood to assist at this time of crisis and need" This Muslim libertarian site is an excellent resource for those wanting to know about pro-liberty Muslim beliefs and activities. Among their declared goals: "Counter distortions and misconceptions about Islamic beliefs and practice; demonstrate the Islamic origins of modern values like the rule of law and sciences like market economics; expose both American and Islamic-world Muslims to free market thought; advance the status of Muslim peoples maligned by a hostile environment in the West and oppressed by repressive political regimes in the East." <http://www.minaret.org/> Minaret of Freedom Institute / 4323 Rosedale Avenue / Bethesda, MD 20814 contact us: Minaret of Freedom Institute / mfi(a)minaret.org ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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"Ending States That Support Terrorism"
by Eric Cordian 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

Anyone have the list of countries that Bush is planning on scheduling for termination? I would imagine Afganistan and Iraq are the first two. Will he toss in Syria, Sudan, and Libya as well? It looks like the game that is being played here, is that all countries are being given an opportunity to pledge unconditional support and cooperation for Bush's "War" against those rendering aid to terrorism, now declared to be the primary focus of his administration, and whoever declines will constitute the enemy. Pakistan has even climbed aboard, in the hopes that we won't drop any bombs on them on our way to Afganistan. Of course, they must prove their loyalty by cutting off Afganistan's oil and gas, and permitting us to base our troops there. Isn't playing these sorts of games with Saudi Arabia, the location of Islam's most sacred sites, the reason Osama bin Laden is mad at the US to begin with? Is this how Hitler started? While all of this is transpiring, a smirking Ariel Sharon, the war criminal elected by acclaimation, will be taking more of the Palestinians' land. So when's the Congress going to outlaw encryption? I assume we'll all be expected to make such small sacrifices for the larger good. We're all supposed to fly American flags for the next 30 days to show our support for all of this. I wonder if they'll be taking names. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Remailers and Greg Broiles (was RE: Cypherpunks and terrorism)
by noisebox remailer admin 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

I'd like to take the opportunity now to do something I should have done over a year ago. Last year, a Scientologist attorney threatened my DNS provider, resulting in the immediate termination of my remailer's hostname. Greg Broiles graciously and promptly offered the use of remailer.org to the noisebox remailer, which I gratefully accepted. Thank you very much. -- noisebox remailer admin. On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Nomen Nescio wrote: > You're about to begin running a remailer. Apparently you haven't done > so before. Well, it should be quite an education. Keep it up for a > year and you'll be more qualified to judge whether this technology is > good or bad, on balance. One thing is certain: if you go into it just > because you think it will be an "interesting project", you won't stay > with it for long.

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Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer Now Online
by Tonga Remailer Admin 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Well said. Thanks to the Cypherpunk community, the Tonga remailer <remailer(a)cypherpunks.to> is now open. On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Lance M. Cottrell wrote: > In addition to showing that we will not be cowed into giving up our > cherished freedoms by terrorists, this is a time when the world needs > these services more than ever. In crises there is a tendency for > repressive governments to crack down on communications and free > access to information. It is at exactly those times that the privacy > community must shine its brightest. > > -Lance > Lance M. Cottrell lcottrell(a)anonymizer.com > Anonymizer, Inc. President > Voice: (619) 725-3180 X304 Fax: (619) 725-3188 > www.Anonymizer.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBO6Gv0VjTwV56Oj5RAQGoCwf+ILL4a9MqsrAs/VUz5Eu5Co0Q1KHMVa/C C/oY/7vY4N1pXDxM/hyUqpdbivMJ+B5o5pTvxoZH/nT3dPU9d4Cb73nCUNvotRsu DVAUfbJlhYVO/ZTJHtTZKDyz0SPHN97weaLupdl282m/qypiOXDAmtGO1Nuw4B4h MgLNXxuTZTzHcDIC5yZllZSsVMHQFKrXIPadttzS2NWCnTNz812ihHq5Bvhxm94F 3bKwrgm3hiZWkZJDWfb5PkKzrEnAmk/x7KQN7hritJlTnxlH7X1nzsDAY2RBZwWd oVFyts5TNcToZD+mzzhGflAIhgLFyiGMw2ORqpZ+V7BGOU0aei8D2g== =g4fA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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First Demo Of Beam Of Electrons Diffracted By Laser
by Jim Choate 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

http://unisci.com/stories/20013/0914012.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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ScienceDaily Magazine -- Brain Imaging Study Sheds Light On Moral Decision-Making
by Jim Choate 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/09/010914074303.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Taliban anticipating massive US attack, vows revenge
by Jim Choate 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

http://asia.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/afp/article.html?s=asia/hea… -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Google Search: state sponsored terrorism
by Jim Choate 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

http://www.google.com/search?q=state+sponsored+terrorism -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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