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Carnivore Early Deployment
by Harmon Seaver 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

In light of the apparent widespread deployment of carnivore at many, if not most, US ISP's, without, I presume, any sort of warrants, does anyone know of any proposals for lawsuits against same by EFF, ACLU, or anyone else? This would certainly be an abrogation of civil rights for all of us whose email is being intercepted without even the remotest probable cause. I would think it ripe for a class action suit. I'm assuming that ameritech knuckled under, although I've not seen any announcements of it, but last night when trying to pop mail from their server, I was getting no connection for quite awhile, then suddenly I got a message saying the "account is locked by another session or for maintenance" -- something I've never, ever seen before, although ameritech certainly has had a lot of problems with it's mail servers. Then again this morning, for over an hour, the incoming stuff just stopped. We sent several test messages from various servers, none of them arrived until much, much later. Not that I'm paranoid, I seriously doubt they'd be monitoring my mail in particular, but I would also assume that any installation of something like carnivore would cause problems with the mail at an already rather fragile entity like ameritech. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 hseaver(a)cybershamanix.com Home 920-233-5820 hseaver(a)ameritech.net http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html

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Shoulder to shoulder
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

If we allow the acts of those involved in this week's acts against the U.S. to diminish our Liberties than they have already won and any retaliation will anti-climatic. I can assure you that that there are many in the U.S. who love their Liberty more than life and are prepared put a bullet in anyone who acts to interfere with our "right" to communicate privately, keep and bear arms or be safe in our homes and papers from unreasonable searches. Any elected representative who affirms legislation to curtail our rights due to the "current emergency," any officer of the law who act to enforce these new laws and any CEO of a private enterprise (e.g., an ISP who shuts off service to anyone in order to deny them their private communication rights) have earned killing. They are little different than the Nazi collaborators in WW II. It is only by offering these cowards, with their misguided patriotism or who value their self-interest more than Liberty, equally weighty consequences to consider that all our Liberties will be protected.

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Re: The Enemies List
by chefren 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

On 14 Sep 2001, at 8:27, Tim May wrote: > On Friday, September 14, 2001, at 05:13 AM, chefren wrote: > > > On 13 Sep 2001, at 20:38, Tim May wrote: > > > >> On Thursday, September 13, 2001, at 06:22 PM, chefren wrote: > >> > >> Cypherpunks, I am forwarding this complete with names of cc:s attached > >> to show you some of the enemies out there. I've gotten several personal > >> e-mails. I am asking Declan, my friend, NOT to forward my posts to his > >> various lists., > > > > So why do you forward this to the cypherpunks list? What > > gives you the moral right? > > So that they will know their enemy. You are very funny. I have nothing to hide and the information I supplied was published a long time ago. It seems you live in a cardbox or something like that? What I described, is approved by almost all members of parliament of the pretty democratic country called "The Netherlands". Unregulated use of strong encryption is not forbidden yet, but we will see. If you just put people on an Enemies List and forget to argue you won't come far in a democratic country. +++chefren

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Re: MARTIAL LAW Cypherpunks and terrorism
by jamesd＠echeque.com 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

-- Dr. Joe Baptista > They are the symbols of a struggle that has been going on > for many years. A struggle against oppression and planned > genocide in which the United States has been a significant > contributor and supporter. i.e. Israel's oppression of the > palestinians, i.e. south africa, i.e. east timor etc. etc. > etc. > > Arabs are by default very nobel, trustworthy and honourable > people. But they are not cows. They will not bow their > heads as their civilization is brutalized and raped. They > will fight back with the vengence that is the holy jihad You might have a point if some of the terrorists actually had been brutalized -- if for example some of them were palestinians that had been roughed up by Israeli soldiers. They were not. This was not an attack on America for any specific things the American government has done -- it is an an attack on Americans for being being free and rich, while arabs have inflicted slavery and poverty on themselves, an attack on Amercans for being American. When two hundred US soldiers were blown up for meddling in Lebanon, the US government go out of Lebanon. The US public is not going to stop being American, and will kill as many arabs as is needed to ensure that they are allowed to be the people that they are. If modest violence suffices, modest violence will be used. If modest violence does not suffice, the process will continue till no arabs remain. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 3t6naPZegDrRaTbM+ox6sVekeuRo+n/CtNeRqs+ 43Az2L+3CHnhDub/sVrxA+d8qvrcA6IgidF4t0EzU

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British cyberpolice ask providers to retain all data after terrorist attacks in the United States
by citizenQ 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

LONDON (AP) -- British authorities have asked all phone companies and Internet service providers to preserve communications data stored Tuesday in case they contain important clues to the identity of the terrorists who attacked Washington and New York. The National High-Tech Crime Unit, set up earlier this year to fight crime related to information technology, said data stored Tuesday may hold vital evidence about those responsible for the devastating attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. ``By working swiftly to contact the communications service providers in the U.K., I hope that we will be able to offer valuable assistance to U.S. authorities in investigating the appalling events of recent days,'' said Detective Chief Superintendent Len Hynds, head of the London-based unit. The unprecedented request was made under Britain's Data Protection Act, which normally prohibits companies from keeping such data any longer than is needed for billing purposes. A spokeswoman for the crime unit said the request was merely precautionary, to ensure that important data recorded on the day of the attacks, such as text messages, e-mails and voice messages, were not destroyed. ``We are not looking for anything in particular,'' said the spokeswoman, speaking on condition of anonymity. ``Communications are routinely destroyed after 48 hours. This safeguarding of communications data is to ensure that any potential data is saved should it be required for evidential purposes.'' Saved information could be accessed only by law enforcement agencies, if specific legal authority were granted, the spokeswoman said. The move falls short of steps taken in the United States by the FBI, which is serving search warrants to major Internet service providers to obtain information about an e-mail address believed to be connected to Tuesday's terrorist attacks. Hynds said the cooperation of the telecommunications and Internet industry in Britain was voluntary. ``The decision for industry to assist us is entirely at their discretion and we will not therefore be asking for confirmation of support.'' -------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/tech/029760.htm posted under fair use law as educational material. ) 2001 KnightRidder.com

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Re: "Ending States That Support Terrorism"
by Alfred Qeada 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

At 02:36 PM 9/13/01 -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: >Anyone have the list of countries that Bush is planning on scheduling for >termination? If you work for a company that exports stuff, you can refer to list "C" which includes the largely moslem usual suspect countries. List "D" are the relics of the cold war. No beowolves in fuckistan. >I would imagine Afganistan and Iraq are the first two. Will he toss in >Syria, Sudan, and Libya as well? They're on the List. >Pakistan has even climbed aboard, in the hopes that we won't drop any >bombs on them on our way to Afganistan. They're also looking to curry favor, and distance India. They're nuclear; you have to give them respect. South Indian food is better though. Of course, they must prove their >loyalty by cutting off Afganistan's oil and gas, and permitting us to base >our troops there. All your colonies are ours. >Isn't playing these sorts of games with Saudi Arabia, the location of >Islam's most sacred sites, the reason Osama bin Laden is mad at the US to >begin with? Ten points to the man with the bugged apartment... >So when's the Congress going to outlaw encryption? I assume we'll all be >expected to make such small sacrifices for the larger good. The first day, there were plenty of "don't sacrifice our freedoms" calls; after three days, it was "we may have to sacrifice certain of our freedoms". Allah knows what we see in a week. >We're all supposed to fly American flags for the next 30 days to show our >support for all of this. I wonder if they'll be taking names. What if you fly it upside down? Too bad there wasn't an "Arabic, not Judaic" box on the census forms, eh? All those empty bunks in them private jails...

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How to win the new war
by Howie Goodell 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

Hi -- I just submitted the ff. article to my local newspaper. I suggest lots of you do something similar. Our best chance to keep crypto free is to present it loudly and clearly as the way for our countries to *achieve* security, not an irresponsible demand that they forgo it. BTW I wrote _Scientific American_ to ask that they re-post David Chaum's 1992 article, "Achieving Electronic Privacy" that makes this point so well. It's easily Googled if they don't, though. Howie Goodell -- Howie Goodell hgoodell(a)cs.uml.edu Pr SW Eng, WearLogic Sc.D. Cand HCI Res Grp CS Dept U Massachussets Lowell http://people.ne.mediaone.net/goodell/howie Dying is soooo 20th-century! http://www.cryonics.org ====================== How to Win the New War ====================== The U.S. and its citizens have just suffered the Pearl Harbor of post-national conflicts. We are in a different kind of war, and we must fight it in many different ways. Here are four of the many hats we need to wear: · Cop · M.A.D.D. · Safety Engineer · Judge Wapner Global cop America is frequently accused of being a global policeman; now is the time to do it well. Investigate and hunt down not just a few leaders, but every member of the terrorist groups that participated in these attacks. Where governments cooperate, we can try these vicious criminals individually. Where this is impossible, we may go back to our pre-Kennedy Cold War rules and assassinate them. M.A.D.D. (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) Beyond finding the specific perpetrators of this attack, lead a crusade (jihad) against terrorism worldwide. This is easy to say now, but it will need to be carried out for decades, with serious money and smart people and determined politics. This jihad also needs single-mindedness. We are after terrorism, not ethnicity; we will cooperate with all governments and groups who can help us, and spare none who oppose us in this. The stakes are too high to play favorites. Safety Engineer Despite our best efforts to eradicate terrorism, it will be a factor in all our lives from now on. A lot of engineering designs in the industrialized world didn't take terrorism into account, but that world changed September 11. Security must be a major design goal of many features of our society: airplanes and airports, subways, stadiums, water supplies, product packaging, personal identification. The vulnerabilities of existing systems need painstaking analysis. Some upgrades will be expensive, in many ways. Creative engineering and thorough debate of the options are essential to keep the costs bearable and our brave new terrorist-resistant world livable. One example: the IDs for airplane crews, and eventually everyone who travels or goes near an airliner, could be "smart cards" containing their owners' biometric identifiers -- like fingerprints, voice, picture, and retinal scan -- cryptographically signed by the agency that collected them. (That agency or foreign government should be required to back its credential with a huge insurance policy to ensure they take it seriously.) This would make it almost impossible to get an unauthorized person through security, but it could be verified in seconds, without consulting a central database of everyone's data. In fact the scanners could be designed without removable storage or communications links: after a few days they would erase their records unless they were read out after a hijacking. This last point is crucial. Most of the debate about personal identification assumes there is a fundamental trade-off between being insecure and becoming a police state; therefore democracies have to settle for some compromise that is only halfway secure and only halfway free. This is not true today. Electronic and cryptographic technology like David Chaum's "blind signature" and "personal representative" lets us design systems with both strong security and strong protection of privacy and individual freedom. (See his August, 1992 _Scientific American_ article, "Achieving Electronic Privacy".) Judge Wapner ("The People's Court") Nobody of any ethnicity sacrifices his life without a cause. In the long run, the best solutions to terrorism probably include making a few of those causes go away. Before courts and law enforcement reached some regions of our country, there were deadly feuds there, too. Now instead of the Hatfields and the McCoys shooting it out for decades, a judge looks at their case, hands down a decision, and it gets enforced. Maybe after this horror we should take the cause that undoubtedly drove these suicide bombers and make it disappear: we should lose our patience with that little piss-ant real estate disagreement in the Middle East. Give the Israelis and Palestinians a month to agree on a map, or we'll do it for them. Then we add a 10-mile-wide corridor in the middle, let the Army Corps of Engineers give it a year of loving care, and announce we will blow away anything that moves in it for the next few decades. Note the glassy pellets strewn along the middle: their radioactivity is intense but short-lived. 30 years from now you might survive a crossing. Jerusalem belongs to the U.N. now. All rise!

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Cheering WTC Exports
by John Young 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

The NY Times has a brief story today about the arrest of five guys in Jersey busted for celebrating the takedown of WTC. They are identified as Israelis, and "exportable."

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RE: Cypherpunks and terrorism
by Nomen Nescio 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

Greg Broiles writes: > I propose that this sort of discussion - about whether or not, in the face > of violence and tragedy, some aspect of human freedom and expression can be > suitably "justified" to satisfy every self-appointed devil's advocate - is > absolutely unproductive and serves only to suck energy and concentration > from more interesting projects. It's astonishing that you should say this. It is at exactly this time that soul searching is most appropriate. Now is when you should ask yourself: Am I doing the right thing? Am I making the world a better place? You don't have to convince some devil's advocate. Just convince yourself. You're about to begin running a remailer. Apparently you haven't done so before. Well, it should be quite an education. Keep it up for a year and you'll be more qualified to judge whether this technology is good or bad, on balance. One thing is certain: if you go into it just because you think it will be an "interesting project", you won't stay with it for long.

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Many bin Ladens
by John Young 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

The Germans report that Ata and others planned the attacks while at an electrical engineering school in Germany and so far no connection to bin Laden has been found. That a small, smart, talented group could conceive and carry out the attacks may be inconceivable to those who believe in massive, overwhelming power, is apt indication of the long-livenedness of those who just don't buy the effectiveness of guerillas working in tiny cells and executing non-heirachical operations. The oft-cited Clauzewitz and Lao Tsu have misled planners now for a generation, a generation hoping to erase Viet Nam, Cuba, Ceylon, and a plethora of asymmetrical victories. "Lessons learned," is a favorite phrase now used by giant organizations to figure out why best laid plans failed. Still, the giant organizations continue to perpetuate themselves by arguing the virtues of massive retaliation and minimizing their ineffectivenss at prevention of what they rush to avenge, wildly attacking targets but never reaching disappearing attackers hiding in the underbrush near homebases. Whether the lessons learned in this case will prevent massive overwhelming attacks on foreign and domestic innocents is a lesson yet to be learned, and learned, and learned. But no matter what, the display of force will give comfort to scared shitless believers in idiotic concepts of good and evil hiding venal intentions. Would Clinton have APed bin Laden if the disappearing devil was found hiding in NY's Metropolitan Detention Center or elsewhere in the USA or Germany under a false dentity? Who's allegedly under house arrest in Afghanistan? Not Osama, who is nowhere near where the oil pipelines are to be built. See the UK Ministry of Defense's analysis of why an Afghan coup is needed to update the overthrow of Iran by MI6 and CIA in 1953: http://cryptome.org/afghan-coup.htm

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