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Com profundo pesar...
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13 Sep '01

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Re: MARTIAL LAW Cypherpunks and terrorism
by cubic-dog 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: > Arabs are by default very nobel, trustworthy and honourable people. But > they are not cows. They will not bow their heads as their civilization is > brutalized and raped. They will fight back with the vengence that is > the holy jihad. Not too sure, I certainly agree that these folks are not "cows", but as to rising up in arms when provoked, that takes a specific type. An example would be the so called silent majority of gun owners in America, all of whom expressed outrage over Ruby Ridge, and then later, Waco. A lot of these folks, if you follow the boards, bbses in those days, claimed that after then president G.Bush Sr's assault weapons ban, that further action on behalf of the feds would predicate a call to arms. Well, they all stood by as these events unfolded, and they stood by as the "fed" whitewashed all of it recently. > Kill Osama Bin Ladin and you create another arab saint and many more holy > warriors take his place. That is the nature of the beast. Back to the previous analogy, The silent majority of gun owners had a Bin Ladin in Timmy McVea. They backed away from him as fast as possible after the bombing, and no new Timmy has stepped up to take his place. So, in my ignorance, I think that a few extremists basically screw up the dialogue for everyone involved, the sooner these folks are out of the equation, the better for all parties. I think a lot of "victims of American Policy" believe this as well. It was different for the last 8 years when the commander in chief lacked resolve and seriously emboldened many forigen enemies. These "surgical" air strikes do little more than really piss folks off. A "war" has to be won on the ground. I think there is a certain level of resolve that has galvanised over these last few days. I expect that action, when taken, will be pretty decisive. As to your other points, I belive they are well stated, I just disagree.

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Shades of X-Files
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Unconfirmed reports just coming in that one of the WTC recovered bodies may be that of Chandra Levy... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.0 wmAEARECACAFAjuhEE8ZHGtleXNlci1zb3plQGh1c2htYWlsLmNvbQAKCRAg4ui5IoBV n78HAJ9JGJ6PIj115wGElkbvFFZ97Swl9gCcDh3zUlLiYPI+s3TlIfsMJG4y8X0= =723M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Sarah Thompson M.D.'s Response to Suicide Bombings
by Matthew Gaylor 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

[Note from Matthew Gaylor: Sarah Thompson is a psychiatrist in Salt Lake City]

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Cypherpunk Threat Analysis
by Aimee Farr 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

For the sick people in here that like to call for TNA's (target name and address) for judicial officials etc. -- NLECTC Law Enforcement & Corrections Technology News Summary Thursday, September 13, 2001 -- "Technological Advances in Assessing Threats to Judicial Officials" Sheriff (08/01) Vol. 53, No. 4, P. 34; Calhoun, Frederick S. The majority of sheriff offices throughout the country assign personnel to handle threats made to judges according to which situations pose the greatest risks. Los Angeles security consulting firm Gavin de Becker has developed an advanced threat-management system that incorporates computers. Assessing which threat poses the most risk to court officials or jurors is difficult. According to the U.S. Marshals Service's case files, people making threats rarely carry them through. Gavin de Becker's MOSAIC program provides a series of questions designed to assess the potential risk posed by different situations and people. The Supreme Court Police use the program for ensuring the safety of the chief justices. (www.sheriffs.org) ~Aimee

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G. Bush Sr., Gephardt on shift in privacy balance
by citizenQ 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

VIA CNN this AM: (somewhat paraphrasing) Bush Sr., speaking to some corporate collection of cronies: "We'll also have to look at this Internet thing you all know so much about, and review our policies..." Gephardt: "We don't have to, we don't want to change the Constitution, but there will need to be a shift in the balance between freedom and security..." The planes have hit the towers but the shit has yet to hit the fan.

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Re: Cypherpunks and terrorism
by M.D. Tate 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

> It's always amazing to see how stupid the responses are to various > messages. There seems to be no limit to the ignorance of the cypherpunks. > > It is well known that this is a motivation for many terrorists. If you > will not believe it from an anonymous message, perhaps you will be > convinced by quotes from the two co-founders of the cypherpunks, both > of whom have said exactly the same thing in messages posted today: > > Tim May wrote in 1996 and reposted today: > > (yada yada yada. snip) > > There are two contrasting forces at the heart of the cypherpunk > philosophy, well exemplified by the two co-founders, and their messages > posted today show the difference well. > > The dark anger of May versus the bright hope of Hughes. Make your choice. > Stuff your false binary choice, I prefer to think for myself. It seems there is no limit to asininity of federal trolls. --- Sigs? We don' need no stinking sigs!

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American Muslims being attacked and harassed
by Matthew Gaylor 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Unfortunately I've been getting reports from around the US of American Muslims being attacked and harassed. If you want to stay on top of the latest news I recommend that you subscribe to The Muslim Student Association News mailing list (MSANEWS). The list is fairly high volume, but does contain most of the news and perspectives from the Muslim and Islamic communities worldwide. To subscribe, send e-mail to: <listserver(a)lists.acs.ohio-state.edu> with the message body "subscribe MSANEWS Firstname Lastname". MSANEWS Home Page: <http://msanews.mynet.net/> Comments to the Editors: <msanews-ed(a)msanews.mynet.net> Submissions for MSANEWS: <msanews(a)msanews.mynet.net> Problems with subscription: <msaosu(a)postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> Regards, Matt- ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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J. Neil Schulman On I can't take it anymore ....
by Matthew Gaylor 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

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Re: MARTIAL LAW Cypherpunks and terrorism
by Declan McCullagh 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

At 09:57 PM 9/12/01 -0400, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: >That's not an answer - thats an interview with little details. If you look at the links from that page, you'll see it's actually an extraordinary lengthy interview that details bin Ladin's "demands." Basic searches will turn up far more information; my point was that information is out there and people should not be expect to be fed it. -Declan

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