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seems like old times
by mattd 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Sat Sep 15 08:10:39 2001 -- BOMB BOMB! proffr1@etc : none : - Hi ya'll.Homeland defense slipping? Missing a few police? Set up a motherfucking grand jury mike.You might be the all american hero. (michael K allen spent your hard earns on chasing me.Brer rabbit,matt stephen taylor) But all thats ancient history now,aint it jerkweed? You got a real SITUATION there. Read this and weep... Why george bush must die. (english) by proffr1(a)nospambutfuckmicrosoft.com 3:31am Sat Sep 15 '01 Well...we all gotta go sometime.Kill the head and the body will die. Im a really loving guy but Ive got a job to do too. Dubya is clearly not up to snuff,like a bison leading a herd to a terrible escarpment he should be shot.Operation soft drill,the real 'operation of the century'nominates the shrub."Id buy that for a dollar" The secret service know where I live,fuck them. Crimes against humanity need an effective system of international justice. Assasination politics has as much claim for consideration as any other. At least as long as there is something called freedom (of speech) FREEDOM numero uno,remember? Afghanistan's where old empires go to die. Eat your dirty heart out amerikkka. Attack on america? HA! You aint seen nuthin yet. FUCK America and all who sail in her. Never forget 79,the entire east coast nearly became uninhabitable for 250,000 years.(I was in the US then)

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Re: Re: On Internet and social responsibility
by Jim Choate 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Vadim Antonov wrote: > I'm not calling in question their right to publish; what i'm saying that > this crap was going on for years, and nobody cared. > > BTW, if you look at the First Ammendment protections closer, they are not > guaranteeing absolute right of free speech. Learn the American law before > you invoke it to defend your point of view. Bullshit, you fucking anti-American revisionist.... Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: On Internet and social responsibility
by Rthugo1＠aol.com 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

In a message dated 9/15/01 1:10:11 AM Central Daylight Time, avg(a)exigengroup.com writes: << Subj: Re: On Internet and social responsibility Date: 9/15/01 1:10:11 AM Central Daylight Time From: avg(a)exigengroup.com (Vadim Antonov) Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu To: baptista(a)pccf.net CC: nanog(a)merit.edu, cypherpunks(a)lne.com Oh yeah, Einstein.......Its the fault of Bush and those EEEEVVVVVVIIIILLLL Republicans, once again!! Get a grip, dude........this is no time for political rhetoric either! As far as the interpretation of the First Amendment, I wouldn't expect a socialist to understand the concept of FREEDOM! Scary thought, huh Stalin! Rob Hugo Joe -- I'm not calling in question their right to publish; what i'm saying that this crap was going on for years, and nobody cared. BTW, if you look at the First Ammendment protections closer, they are not guaranteeing absolute right of free speech. Learn the American law before you invoke it to defend your point of view. I'm tired of absolutists who cannot see that there's no such thing as absolute good or absolute evil. Speech can be very dangerous. This is a conflict of ideologies, not nations or religions. What do you think is ideology - if not speech? How do you suppress ideology if you let it spread unhampered? Violence is bad? Vote for dissolution of police, if you _really_ mean that. But don't take the "my hands is clean" high moral ground. It is _your_ guilt, too, for being lazy to learn what is going on, and failing to elect a goverment with a clue, not the bumbling idiot with a Texan accent and vocabulary of a fifteen-years-old. That site was spreading lies for a long time and is well-known in Russia as an example of American hypocrisy. I was reminded of it when i looked at today's very sarcastic piece by one poplular TV commentator (Mike Solovyev, the anchor of "Odnako" ("But..") prime-time daily show watched by a hundred million people). [Transcript follows] ...Besides, Shamil Basaev is not only a cannibal, but also a very keen politologist making in his cave precise analysis of political situation. <video of Shamil Basaev leaving in a bus with hostages> The web-site Kavkaz.org published a special message from Shamil Basaev regarding the air attacks on Washington and New-York. Mr. Basaev says that "Russia is behind this terrorist attack. The goal of this attack is to undermine might of USA, discredit the idea of the national anti-missile defense initiative, and cause USA to lose its status of super-power." Chechen politologists are wishing to provoke clash of America and Russia: just for a second imagine that everyone believed this Chechen propaganda about "hand of Moscow" - what should be the answer from the other side of the ocean? You know. [allusion to the nuclear war, for those unfamiliar with Soviet idiomas -- avg]. After what happened, the Western authorities should've knocked that site down, it is physically located in the America, and change their view of Chechen propaganda in general. Because otherwise it seems that bin Laden is a cannibal, with any means good to get him down, but his Chechen comrades-in-arms still need delicacy and respect. This is the message we get by watching this site staying up after September 11th. ... This Wednesday I expressed concern that after the initial shock they'll talk, talk, and forget the whole thing - you know, deeds are forgettable, body's fattening. But now it looks like everything is funnier. To forget something you need to learn something first. Judging by dithering of various officials they didn't learn anything, so they have nothing to forget. [end of transcript] Here's how America looks from outside. A bunch of incompetents and hypocrites. And i am tired of telling my Russian correspondents to stuff their "they asked for it" postures you know where. Because i know that Americans are not really hypocritic, just terribly ignorant. --vadim On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 baptista(a)pccf.net wrote: > > Vadim - I think in american we call it free speech. The content of the > message is not the issue - it is the right to publish it and one's > opinion which is the issue here guranteed by the U.S. constitution. > > regards > joe > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Vadim Antonov wrote: > > > > > > > Found on a website hosted in US by a US service provider: > > > > > Manpower resources of > > > Muslims and powerful ideological stimulus of resistance, the > > > control above the basic power resources of the world, the > > > geographical position and an area of movement, finally will > > > destroy USA. War will come in the house of each American. > > ******************************************************** > > > > > And it already will be the collapse of that America, which we > > > know and which is realized by Americans. The first disturbing > > > symptoms of arising enmity and split of America already is > > > available. > > > > This is from the inverview with the spokesman of well-known terrorist > > Shamil Basaev, known for personally taking hostage hundreds of patients in > > a hospital, among other things (the spokesman is Movladi Udugov, the guy > > who threatened to drop an airplane on Kremlin). > > > > http://www.kavkaz.org/english/news/2001/09/14/news4.htm > > > > Hosted by XO Communications - do not bother them, i already alerted their > > staff. > > > > Guys, why should a North American provider give a place for this > > propaganda? Call FBI, have them trace the connections of whoever pays for > > that site. > > > > [If you decide to read the entire article - the "so-called peacemaker" > > Boris Nemtsov mentioned there is a prominent pro-Western politican in > > Russia, and (used to be, changed his mind after WTC attack) a leading > > proponent of negotiations with Chechen militants. A shining illustration > > of what you get for trying to negotiate with terrorists.] > > > > Please, if you host websites, take a closer look at what you are hosting; > > you may help to find leads for the investigation. > > > > --vadim > > > > -- > The dot.GOD Registry, Limited > > http://www.dot-god.com/

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SIG: Technology Review - It's Time for Clockless Chips
by Jim Choate 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

http://www.techreview.com/magazine/oct01/tristramall.asp -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Flight 93 Questions
by Matthew Gaylor 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

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Re: On Internet and social responsibility
by Vadim Antonov 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Joe -- I'm not calling in question their right to publish; what i'm saying that this crap was going on for years, and nobody cared. BTW, if you look at the First Ammendment protections closer, they are not guaranteeing absolute right of free speech. Learn the American law before you invoke it to defend your point of view. I'm tired of absolutists who cannot see that there's no such thing as absolute good or absolute evil. Speech can be very dangerous. This is a conflict of ideologies, not nations or religions. What do you think is ideology - if not speech? How do you suppress ideology if you let it spread unhampered? Violence is bad? Vote for dissolution of police, if you _really_ mean that. But don't take the "my hands is clean" high moral ground. It is _your_ guilt, too, for being lazy to learn what is going on, and failing to elect a goverment with a clue, not the bumbling idiot with a Texan accent and vocabulary of a fifteen-years-old. That site was spreading lies for a long time and is well-known in Russia as an example of American hypocrisy. I was reminded of it when i looked at today's very sarcastic piece by one poplular TV commentator (Mike Solovyev, the anchor of "Odnako" ("But..") prime-time daily show watched by a hundred million people). [Transcript follows] ...Besides, Shamil Basaev is not only a cannibal, but also a very keen politologist making in his cave precise analysis of political situation. <video of Shamil Basaev leaving in a bus with hostages> The web-site Kavkaz.org published a special message from Shamil Basaev regarding the air attacks on Washington and New-York. Mr. Basaev says that "Russia is behind this terrorist attack. The goal of this attack is to undermine might of USA, discredit the idea of the national anti-missile defense initiative, and cause USA to lose its status of super-power." Chechen politologists are wishing to provoke clash of America and Russia: just for a second imagine that everyone believed this Chechen propaganda about "hand of Moscow" - what should be the answer from the other side of the ocean? You know. [allusion to the nuclear war, for those unfamiliar with Soviet idiomas -- avg]. After what happened, the Western authorities should've knocked that site down, it is physically located in the America, and change their view of Chechen propaganda in general. Because otherwise it seems that bin Laden is a cannibal, with any means good to get him down, but his Chechen comrades-in-arms still need delicacy and respect. This is the message we get by watching this site staying up after September 11th. ... This Wednesday I expressed concern that after the initial shock they'll talk, talk, and forget the whole thing - you know, deeds are forgettable, body's fattening. But now it looks like everything is funnier. To forget something you need to learn something first. Judging by dithering of various officials they didn't learn anything, so they have nothing to forget. [end of transcript] Here's how America looks from outside. A bunch of incompetents and hypocrites. And i am tired of telling my Russian correspondents to stuff their "they asked for it" postures you know where. Because i know that Americans are not really hypocritic, just terribly ignorant. --vadim On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 baptista(a)pccf.net wrote: > > Vadim - I think in american we call it free speech. The content of the > message is not the issue - it is the right to publish it and one's > opinion which is the issue here guranteed by the U.S. constitution. > > regards > joe > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Vadim Antonov wrote: > > > > > > > Found on a website hosted in US by a US service provider: > > > > > Manpower resources of > > > Muslims and powerful ideological stimulus of resistance, the > > > control above the basic power resources of the world, the > > > geographical position and an area of movement, finally will > > > destroy USA. War will come in the house of each American. > > ******************************************************** > > > > > And it already will be the collapse of that America, which we > > > know and which is realized by Americans. The first disturbing > > > symptoms of arising enmity and split of America already is > > > available. > > > > This is from the inverview with the spokesman of well-known terrorist > > Shamil Basaev, known for personally taking hostage hundreds of patients in > > a hospital, among other things (the spokesman is Movladi Udugov, the guy > > who threatened to drop an airplane on Kremlin). > > > > http://www.kavkaz.org/english/news/2001/09/14/news4.htm > > > > Hosted by XO Communications - do not bother them, i already alerted their > > staff. > > > > Guys, why should a North American provider give a place for this > > propaganda? Call FBI, have them trace the connections of whoever pays for > > that site. > > > > [If you decide to read the entire article - the "so-called peacemaker" > > Boris Nemtsov mentioned there is a prominent pro-Western politican in > > Russia, and (used to be, changed his mind after WTC attack) a leading > > proponent of negotiations with Chechen militants. A shining illustration > > of what you get for trying to negotiate with terrorists.] > > > > Please, if you host websites, take a closer look at what you are hosting; > > you may help to find leads for the investigation. > > > > --vadim > > > > -- > The dot.GOD Registry, Limited > > http://www.dot-god.com/

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IP: out of time order read this first RE: Senate votes to permitwarrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e (fwd)
by Eugene Leitl 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:51:50 -0400 From: David Farber <dave(a)farber.net> Reply-To: farber(a)cis.upenn.edu To: ip-sub-1(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: out of time order read this first RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:59:39 -0400 >To: farber(a)cis.upenn.edu, ip-sub-1(a)majordomo.pobox.com >From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> > >Cc: SAlbertazzie(a)steptoe.com, SBaker(a)steptoe.com > >Dave, >I'm glad to see Stu joining the civil libertarian crowd. He's right, of >course, that there are reasons to be uneasy about the new "Combating >Terrorism Act." > >Current law permits specific Justice Department officials to authorize >meatspace telephone pen register and trap and trace devices without a >court order in two circumstances. Here's an excerpt from the U.S. Code: > >http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/3125.html >>an emergency situation exists that involves immediate danger of death or >>serious bodily injury to any person [or] conspiratorial activities >>characteristic of organized crime > >This bill does three things of note: > >1. It adds "U.S. Attorney" to the list of officials who can authorize >warantless surveillance. > >2. It expands the "emergency situation" rule beyond serious bodily >injury/organized crime. I described this in my article: >http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46852,00.html >>Circumstances that don't require court orders include an "immediate >>threat to the national security interests of the United States, (an) >>immediate threat to public health or safety or an attack on the integrity >>or availability of a protected computer." That covers most computer >>hacking offenses. > >3. It rewrites pen register/trap and trace law and moves it from the >telephone world to explicitly cover computer networks as well, which would >permit Carnivore's use under this section (when operated in >trap-and-trace/pen-register mode). Here are some excerpts from the bill: > >http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cta.091401.html >>The order shall, upon service of the order, apply to any entity providing >>wire or electronic communication service in the United States... >>inserting ``, routing, addressing,'' after ``dialing''... by striking >>``call processing'' and inserting ``the processing and transmitting of >>wire and electronic communications''... > >Now, whether all this is, as Stu blandly suggests, "a bit alarmist," is up >to IPers to decide. But I think Senator Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the >Senate Judiciary committee, put it well during the floor debate last >night. Here's a quote from the Congressional Record. > >http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/s091301.html >>LEAHY: Maybe the Senate wants to just go ahead and adopt new abilities to >>wiretap our citizens. Maybe they want to adopt new abilities to go into >>people's computers. Maybe that will make us feel safer. Maybe. And maybe >>what the terrorists have done made us a little bit less safe. Maybe they >>have increased Big Brother in this country. > >-Declan For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/

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Crypto Access
by John Young 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

The cpunk archives, Cryptome and a host of other crypto resources are likely to be shutdown if the war panic continues. What methods could be used to assure continued access to crypto even if possession and/or usage is outlawed? That is to do what NSA and its global sisters do to keep crypto data available in perpetuity. Post that info here, too, maybe, after thinking about the consequences. A while back a list of global sites for accessing crypto was set up at: http://jya.com/crypto-free.htm To supplement whatever is posted here, we would appreciate hearing by encrypted mail what others have done or could do to stockpile and distribute privacy tools? We've sent out a few hundred CDs of the Cryptome collection, and are considering offering a ~100MB compressed package of the ~8000 files. There are only a few crypto programs in the files, mostly PGP since 2.62. We might grab more for inclusion unless others are doing that. To comply with law we'd have to notify BXA of any new offerings. ----- John Young PK: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> mQGiBDmpjpURBAD6LkFyCYrXyetmgvdjf2DXynnYsy1j8keHW7qbiVQ2y3SgrEp1 bz5OTnqZ/qmLDUQ45s1q3PxgP473bEqK8PeXllJ5kRzOwfdexv2VBlQLLEQGlcza Ke2vGXjWm5XGCIeVtYe2ToBh//6xkGn2tSp6U8Sj+NPYc0t8DvXyyIT7pQCg/0z1 y06zARLlS3fJn9W8gd6fJIED/1QUPbQS71kaS8zExgqzR716mMSD82yp3/qC6yOD nTbCPV/vFGeM8zUvEz+HzAEHtQ9JAYfSukamWPM0N2hrNzDb9wRaWoQ9dWZdBwep NlLW7vkwmhJsrTv+tabhCKYBM8b9XcWlM8aiwDtT8X/d5DoGTxSGTSk5tE3tMRng g/ZTA/9h/iSEXTcRug1qPsnIqcquLVFt9VVR3xTPnN1CqosLIv9oL3K4LkEvWzn/ j5TLQBxPPfPiNnYtk0JuXj/fRVbSVTvFZMawwp43+PCSVB0mtsulzmrTosqI568q Qp5/fM903AGdh2GGDV9IA22CX2BtMEAUXsc4ShwhH0dFh6fWZ7QdSm9obiBZb3Vu ZyA8anlhQHBpcGVsaW5lLmNvbT6JAE4EEBECAA4FAjmpjpUECwMCAQIZAQAKCRAM Vtl0wyBwCYBDAJ9H5kmH+Lzk/uF5C1o983nDh8Ll4gCfdtVIfGZ2nVIKPb+LzN9b A4Yh5K+5Ag0EOamOlRAIAPZCV7cIfwgXcqK61qlC8wXo+VMROU+28W65Szgg2gGn VqMU6Y9AVfPQB8bLQ6mUrfdMZIZJ+AyDvWXpF9Sh01D49Vlf3HZSTz09jdvOmeFX klnN/biudE/F/Ha8g8VHMGHOfMlm/xX5u/2RXscBqtNbno2gpXI61Brwv0YAWCvl 9Ij9WE5J280gtJ3kkQc2azNsOA1FHQ98iLMcfFstjvbzySPAQ/ClWxiNjrtVjLhd ONM0/XwXV0OjHRhs3jMhLLUq/zzhsSlAGBGNfISnCnLWhsQDGcgHKXrKlQzZlp+r 0ApQmwJG0wg9ZqRdQZ+cfL2JSyIZJrqrol7DVekyCzsAAgIH/i3wAsfX3gaaq21t eXKBv6YO85gUFa6CFzRZemwFW9n1RzAnYUCNoLSZ4pmGnWKs7t50zS9sie1fLHCA aZ6CuJNQOF8MAaxgX3DqQRnInKJyK+WSSH5YOG4N5Bq7CMvbLiMDVKOtJFxEX4Kq Dd+0nCkGce7uwoBzU+rbINEeEVZdo6Pr+J5dfm+4Ac8WQ/HeHlwUmkg0YXZPkkDD MdjrxoTvUEKECjk3Orwrymj/531hIKZDDme4LqjDbPCOon1WaKIBJEudXMESUiIW tdQNGCHEZKChfwuX7tq9SFfHlc5fzOqBfXxHvvMMgRk4IfZWI3ZPWdbSoGQ+9mFK 59AToVuJAEYEGBECAAYFAjmpjpUACgkQDFbZdMMgcAlX4QCgwjrFBkAq+Q6CvsLW I/Z8BY/ETR0AoOcddpzxnmLBjf97J4WUII7tNcZ4 =0rDn -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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winds of war
by mattd 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Dear tim,no real anarchist craps on like you about a 'fruit ot the poison tree'constitution.FUCK uncle sams racist con job.Mason wouldnt sign that shit and neither would any real anarchist. Im going to save a lot of your stuff like the cyphernomicon and Im sure your influence led to AP but dont play with the word anarchy unless you mean it man.sayonara,matt.

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15 Sep '01

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