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by Gabr690＠hotmail.com 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

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RE: A Brevital Moment (was..Ignore Aimee Farr)
by jamesd＠echeque.com 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

-- On 14 Sep 2001, at 16:25, Trei, Peter wrote: > I haven't paid enough attention to AF to be able to form an > opinion as to whether she's threatened anyone. She did not say "I am going to kill a judge". She did however say that somone else was going to kill a judge. She and Nomen are trying to bring about a RICO conversation. Whether they are doing this out of a sinister government plot, or because they are stupid assholes, I do not know. Of course the internet has a considerably larger supply of stupid assholes than government agents. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG vMcE3M5nkj3Kodqq2CoA0LrPYjh2Yyfv2M4bNL0V 4bV0p9xh+C/5ye5W8o+8379e3hdd1F6bbXo/MK/Iq

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BBC News | SOUTH ASIA | Who is Osama Bin Laden?
by Jim Choate 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_155000/155236.stm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Ananova - Gunmen shoot boy as warning to India not to help US against Taliban
by Jim Choate 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_399225.html?menu=news.latestheadlines -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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FT.com | TotalSearch | Global Archive | Article - Putin won't support US invasion of Afghanistan
by Jim Choate 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalarchive/article.html?id=010915001404 -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Why I'm Not Writing Impassioned Essays in Defense of Crypto and Privacy
by Tim May 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

When I see the calls for giving up the Fourth and First Amendments, the calls for backdoored crypto, the claims that Cypherpunks must put on "CypherAngels" red berets and join Curtis Sliwa and the San Francisco Police Academy in using their skills to narc out evil persons who choose not to escrow their diaries with the local and federal police, I am nauseated. (I have written half a dozen posts suggesting some of these people simply be killed by any means possible, but I have deleted most of them before sending. Frankly, I see a war coming and I see that hundreds of thousands of "them" need to be exterminated. But I digress.) I don't have the desire, energy, or patience to write the kinds of essays I wrote in 1992-95 (and even earlier, 1988-1991, before the Cypherpunks list). I wrote then about the implications of privacy, about the First and Fourth Amendments, about the technologies that were inexorably changing the landscape of fhe world. A lot of others did as well. (I guess I'm sort of glad, for nostalgic reasons, that my friend Eric Hughes wrote his "elegiac" piece...except I fell asleep after a few paragraphs of the Kennedyesque say-nothing-but-say-it-eligiacally article. Note to Eric: get some fire back in your belly, boy! This is war, and I don't mean war against some Arabs.) Newcomers like "Nomen Nescio," "Aimee Farr," and "chefron" are now whining about what some of them call "moral crypto" and are calling for "cooperation" with the government. Sort of like "moral hotel rooms," where every hotel videotapes room activities and "only shares when government shows a good reason." Or like calls for "ink escrow," where potential subversives, and everybody in fact, escrows their journal and letter writings just in case O'Brien feels a need to look at the writings of Lucky Green, Winston Smith, or Tim May. Feh, this is well-trod ground. Why am I not writing impassioned defenses of crypto? Because it was all said back in 1992-3 when the Clipper issue arose. (Clipper was leaked in April 1993. Very longterm subscribers may remember that I took an article written by Dorothy Denning (yes, _that_ Denning!) to likely mean a proposal was being considered to require government backdoors for all crypto. I wrote an artcle for sci.crypt entitled "A Trial Balloon To Ban Crypto?" which generated something like 500 responses on the Usenet, plus discussion on the brand-new Cypherpunks list and the Extropians list. This was in October 1992, almost 9 years ago. Deja/Google does not go back this far, nor do the Cypherpunks archives currently on the Web. But, I assure you, this happened.) I lack the patience to re-write the defenses of privacy and crypto I and others wrote so many years ago. I have probably averaged a few posts per day for 9 years, or, perhaps ten thousand or more posts. Some were just followups, but many launched threads. Perhaps 100 or so were major essays. Whatever, if I have not said it by now, a few more posts to try to convince Aimee Farr (who seems to read nothing of past discussions) or "chefron" or "Nomen Nescio" will obviously not make a difference. The 2001 debate is shaping up to be just a super-fast-forward version of the 1993 debate. Frankly, I have lost patience in many ways. I think most _active_ enemies of liberty should simply be killed. Lined up against the wall if there are ever trials, or killed en masse in their dens if necessary. Nothing is to be gained by arguing with them. I don't care if newbies to the issue are "put off" by my lack of patience. Others can play the role of high school teachers explaining the basics of the Constitution. And the archives exist, even if not all the way back to 1992-5. My own Cyphernomicon exists, from 1994, in (apparently) enough pieces that even the New World Order cannot stamp it out. The new Ludlow book, "Crypto Anarchy, Pirate Utopias, etc." (title similar to this) has some articles written by several of us that are better than anything we could write from scratch to use in argument with "chefron:" and "Nomen Nescio." Finally, I have finally received the proof copy of my chapter in Vernor Vinge and Jim Frenkel's long-delayed re-issue of "True Names." My chapter is entitled "True Nyms and Crypto Anarchy" and makes my strongest case. Unfortunately, I wrote the chapter several years ago, expecting publication by 1998 at the latest. The project was delayed and delayed and then I heard nothing and then it was announced and then delayed and...you get the picture. Jim Frenkel is urgently seeking minor corrections, with the final contract FedExed to me a few days ago, just in time to get caught in the WTC grounding! Talk about irony. I really don't care if Nomen Nescio and Jim Choate and Agent Farr like or dislike what is inevitably coming. It is coming, and millions will pay the price for their criminality. Hundreds of millions more will learn what freedom means. --Tim May

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SIG: Linux Today - GNU-Darwin authentication and encryption position paper
by Jim Choate 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-09-15-004-20-OP-CY-SW -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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[Fwd: Great article about afghanistan/taliban/bin laden] (fwd)
by measl＠mfn.org 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:32:41 -0700 From: Imran Qureshi <qureshi(a)cisco.com> To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: [Fwd: Great article about afghanistan/taliban/bin laden] One of our colleague posted the following article and it really shows the plight of the real afghans. Regards, Imran > > > Dear Friends, > > > The following was sent to me by my friend Tamim Ansary. Tamim is > >an Afghani-American writer. He is also one of the most brilliant people > >I know in this life. When he writes, I read. When he talks, I listen. > >Here is his take on Afghanistan and the whole mess we are in. > > > -Gary T. > > > > > > > > > Dear Gary and whoever else is on this email thread: > > > > > > I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to > >the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this > >would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with > >this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. > >What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing > >whether we "have the belly to do what must be done." > > And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because > >I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've > >never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who > >will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing. > >I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no > >doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity > >in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters. > >But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even > >the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant > >psychotics > >who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal > >with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin > >Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think > >"the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan > >people had nothing to do with this atrocity. > >They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if > >someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats > >nest of international thugs holed up in their country. > > Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The > >answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. > >A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 > >disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food. > > > There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these > >widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the > >farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons > >why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban. > > >We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone > >Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. > >Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? > >Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their > >hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from >medicine > >and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that. > > > > > New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at > >least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the >Taliban > >eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. > >Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't > >move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul > >and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals > >who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common > >cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the people they've been > >raping all this time > > > So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with > >true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there > >with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what > >needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill > >as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about > >killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's > >actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some > >Americans > >would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. > > It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to > >Afghanistan, > >we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they > >let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. > >Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're > >flirting with a world war between Islam and the West. > > And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he >wants. > >That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right > >there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem > >ridiculous, > >but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, > >he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those > >lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even > >better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end > >the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last > >for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the > >belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else? > > > > > Tamim Ansary > > > >

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Sick Wacko in the Whitehouse
by An Metet 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

The evening news says Dubbya is asking Congress for 20 billion for his little war, and it sounds like the moron is actually going to try to invade Afganistan. I hope, in one respect, they actually do it. It will be amusing to watch the body bags coming home as the Afgans kick Yankee butt just like they did Ivan's. How did you people ever allow this delusional sub-normal wacko to become your leader? For those of us old enough to remember, he sounds more and more like Adolf Hitler. God help us all.

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Re: "Attack on America" - a Personal Response (fwd)
by Jim Choate 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:20:22 -0500 I can tell you one group that must get the shudders every time Bush or anyone else in the administration says, "These attacks are Acts of War." Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that both standard property and life insurance policies specifically exempt claims due to acts of war. Think about the fun and games in the courtrooms of America on THAT issue!

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