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Re: [OT] why was private gold ownership made illegal in the US?
by Ian Grigg 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

> From: Anonymous <nobody(a)remailer.privacy.at> > > > Just curious, but what was the rationale under which private posession > > of gold was made illegal in the US? It boggles the mind... > > Roosevelt needed to in effect devalue the dollar during the Great > Depression. In a deflationary depression, this acts as an inflationary > force to cancel the negative effects of the deflation. Even libertarian > monetarists such as Milton Friedman agree that this is the proper approach > when dealing with a depression. Roosevelt did not have the advantage > of modern economics and he made many economic mistakes which prolonged > the depression, but devaluing the dollar was not one of them. > > However doing a straight devaluation was politically unacceptable > at the time. Because the dollar was pegged to gold, devaluing the > dollar meant in effect increasing the value of gold in terms of dollars. > This would represent a tremendous windfall to holders of gold. And gold, > by and large, is owned by the rich. > > At the time, the U.S. faced a significant chance of a Communist/Socialist > revolution such as had been seen in several other countries. Class > warfare was widespread, with armed violence between workers and management > a common occurance. Transferring a huge bounty into the hands of the > rich would have inflamed the working class and risked plunging the > country into chaos and revolution. > > By eliminating private gold ownership, Roosevelt was able to take a > necessary step to invigorate the economy, devaluing the dollar, while > reducing the risk of a civil war. The rich protested, of course, but > in practice they went along with the measure as they were terrified > of a workers' revolution. > > Looking back, since there was, in fact, no revolution, it is easy to > forget today how perilous the state of the country was in those times. > For all those who curse Roosevelt's name, the U.S. at least ended up > the decade in better shape than many countries, and things could have > been far worse. Americans could be living in a People's Republic today. > Confiscating gold was clearly the lesser of the evils. One is troubled by this rather excellent post by anonymous. I accept at face value the comments made, and they certainly seem to match the facts and circumstances of the times (the arisal of Keynsianism from the roots of the Great Depression). What troubles me is the pressumption of modern economics somehow presenting an advantage. What would that advantage be? And if that advantage would somehow ease the pain of the Great Depression, or not have started it in the first place, why is it that the IMF (claimed by some to be a body that dispenses American economic thought and American loans), advised the Argentinian government to peg the peso, and gave them lots of loans to keep it there? Argentina is now in its 1st Great Depression of this century, and it's pretty clear that the IMF and the fixed exchange rate together were responsible as the external events. The only way I can reconcile this is to negate the advantage or benefit conferred by modern economics? Any other takes? -- iang

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Re: [OT] why was private gold ownership made illegal in the US?
by Anonymous 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

> Just curious, but what was the rationale under which private posession > of gold was made illegal in the US? It boggles the mind... Roosevelt needed to in effect devalue the dollar during the Great Depression. In a deflationary depression, this acts as an inflationary force to cancel the negative effects of the deflation. Even libertarian monetarists such as Milton Friedman agree that this is the proper approach when dealing with a depression. Roosevelt did not have the advantage of modern economics and he made many economic mistakes which prolonged the depression, but devaluing the dollar was not one of them. However doing a straight devaluation was politically unacceptable at the time. Because the dollar was pegged to gold, devaluing the dollar meant in effect increasing the value of gold in terms of dollars. This would represent a tremendous windfall to holders of gold. And gold, by and large, is owned by the rich. At the time, the U.S. faced a significant chance of a Communist/Socialist revolution such as had been seen in several other countries. Class warfare was widespread, with armed violence between workers and management a common occurance. Transferring a huge bounty into the hands of the rich would have inflamed the working class and risked plunging the country into chaos and revolution. By eliminating private gold ownership, Roosevelt was able to take a necessary step to invigorate the economy, devaluing the dollar, while reducing the risk of a civil war. The rich protested, of course, but in practice they went along with the measure as they were terrified of a workers' revolution. Looking back, since there was, in fact, no revolution, it is easy to forget today how perilous the state of the country was in those times. For all those who curse Roosevelt's name, the U.S. at least ended up the decade in better shape than many countries, and things could have been far worse. Americans could be living in a People's Republic today. Confiscating gold was clearly the lesser of the evils.

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Re: maximize best case, worst case, or average case? (TCPA
by Anonymous 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

Robert Hettinga writes: > If it's encrypted, and it's on my hard drive, than it's my property. I own > it, not someone else. That's a private good. I can turn around, and sell it > to you. You can encrypt it, and put it on your hard drive, and you can sell > it. It's *your* property. This has nothing to do with the definition of public versus private goods, which was quoted in the message to which you replied. Public goods are non-rival and non-excludable, terms which were defined there. Do you understand what these words mean? Can you use them in a sentence that begins, "Digitally signed information is not a public good because..."? > In the meantime, read my .sig, below, and take it to heart. > ... > "Externalities are the last refuge of the derigistes." -- Friedrich Hayek Right, I'll do that as soon as you learn to spell dirigistes. There's nothing like using French incorrectly to show someone up as a pretentious jackass.

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