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Re: Revoking Old Lost Keys
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:10 AM 1/6/96, James Black wrote: >Hello, > >On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, Bruce Baugh wrote: > >> The problem is this: how can one spread the word that an old key is no >> longer to be used when one no longer has the pass phrase, and cannot >> therefore create a revocation certificate? > > If there is someone that you trust (or several people), just make a >revocation certificate and possibly cut it into pieces, and just let >those know when to send it out, so that you don't have to rely on a >faulty memory, and by having it in several hands they can't just send it >out, as they don't know the other people. Just a thought. If one can safely and securely store a revocation certificate for later use, why not just store the much shorter passphrase? --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Why can't I get PGP from MIT
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:47 PM 1/6/96, post wrote: >MIT won't let me get PGP or PGPhone. I know their server >went down awhile back but, I have tried them several times >and sent several e-mail requests. I thought maybe I was >missing something obvious or maybe they are just really >busy. I keep being told I'm not in the U.S. As I recall, they don't tell you you're "not in the U.S.," they tell you they cannot conclude in the affirmative that you _are_ in the U.S. This has to do with whether they have a record (DNS) of your site, blah blah. And the message about sending them e-mail affirming your status, etc., points out that the mail is handled manually and may not be gotten to for a while. This happened to me, with PGPhone, when they could not confirm my ISP (got.net) to be a U.S.-based service. I simply grabbed one of the "otherwise available" copies (it was either posted publically, or available at an offshore site, I forget which). This was several months ago, the day after it was released. I fired it up, concluded I was missing some pieces needed to make it work, and put it aside for the time being. For PGP, I always go to the offshore sites anyway, on principle. These sites are listing with numbing frequency in all the usual places. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Why can't I get PGP from MIT
by Lou Zirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have sent two requests myselt in the last two months that have gone unanswered. The request was to have isdn.net added to the allowed list. I know the initial rejection was the .net domain, but the location should not be hard to look up - just a basic whois. I got PGP from alternative locations, but still have not been able to get PGPhone. > MIT won't let me get PGP or PGPhone. I know their server > went down awhile back but, I have tried them several times > and sent several e-mail requests. I thought maybe I was > missing something obvious or maybe they are just really > busy. I keep being told I'm not in the U.S. <snip> > All I want is clean copy of PGP for personal use. I have considered > purchasing a commercial system but still would like to try PGP with > the big keys. > > Thanks, > Sid Post > post(a)why.net > > > Lou Zirko (615)851-1057 Zystems lzirko(a)isdn.net "We're all bozos on this bus" - Nick Danger, Third Eye -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzBLJocAAAEEAMlDzYJPYq0pvfMuSiKU0Y65L2nJql+qEJHYGjO5Pys4prDw YW1ooPWaqrPQAy/eyqrM7I9KNFDCtmaPxtgcPw2oEDfc/w6cPkrVzvovKLfHQvtg V/hHUekptSf6j525omrVAoM9MxVL3sEGCjn9VrTeC3h9upkfntHOJeL88i2NAAUR tB5Mb3UgWmlya28gPHppcmtvbEBkYXRhdGVrLmNvbT4= =Qlxm -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: \"Concryption\"
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:13 PM 1/4/96 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote: > What I interpreted their press release as saying was that they had patented > the idea of doing the compression AND the encryption in one pass over the > data. If they got a patent for this, then the patent office has totally > lost the concept that in order to be patentable, the idea must not be > obvious to those well versed in the state of the art. All bureaucracies act in to extend their power, regardless of the laws and the official purpose of the bureacracy. We will soon have a patent on bicycles. > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Bill Frantz Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting >(408)356-8506 16345 Englewood Ave. >frantz(a)netcom.com Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: What to do about Germany
by Mark Neely 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jirib(a)cs.monash.edu.au wrote: <discussion about german law snipped>7 >What if the laws actually contradict each other? > >Eg if there was a country that forbade women speaking on the net, and >another that forbade distinctions between men and women to be made? I guess one thing politicians should consider _real_ hard is whether they want the Internet to be ruled by the lowest common denominator (so to speak). If the US (or Germany etc.) wants to impose it's version of morality/PC then it really doesn't have any grounds to complain when other countries decided to do so. Mark ___ Mark Neely - accessnt(a)ozemail.com.au Lawyer, Professional Cynic Author: Australian Beginner's Guide to the Internet Work-in-Progress: Australian Business Guide to the Internet WWW: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~accessnt

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Re: Mixmaster On A $20 Floppy? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:27:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: Mixmaster On A $20 Floppy? > > "Other Things of Interest Dept: Virtual I-0, the Seattle > company that brings you those nifty 3-D LCD eye-glasses, > was showing [at Comdex] a complete hard disk-based computer > the size of a beta video cassette. The idea was that you > could plug in a keyboard and the video headset and finally > have that computer-without-a-screen concept that we've been > promised. Perfect for someone wanting genuine privacy, > although I think once we start seeing a plane load of > people all wearing virtual reality headsets, the world > becomes a little creepier. Anyone looking for small 486 compatible pc's should check out the system that scuba divers have been using for the last couple of years. They strap on your tank, have a cable with one-hand keyboard (usually hangs on the R. since your console is on the L.) that emulates a standard 101 and uses a small display that hangs off your mask. They run standard windows apps and are not too expensive. Check your local dive shop for specifics.

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Re: please stop the Mitnick stuff
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:45 AM 1/7/96, Lucky Green wrote: >Of course it was a set-up. Mitnick got into Shimomura's computer by >impersonating the IP address of one of Shimomura's machines. The router >should have never let packets in from outside that have an IP address that >is supposed to be inside. That a 'security expert' would overlook such a >blatant and well publicized hole in his _own_ router is inconceivable. > >Shimomura was trying to get someone to break into his system. If the bait >was specifically for Mitnick, we may never know. I've met Shimomura several times, and I don't think he was trying to get someone to break into his system. I tend strongly to believe his basic story, that he found someone entering his system. (Shimomura as I have met him is not some kind of Junior G-Man, intent on catching minor criminals. He's about as counter-cultural as any of us. Thus, his account that he found Mitnick breaking into his systems and stealing things as a taunt rings more true than some view that he is an FBI or BATF narc in training.) As to whether a security expert should have seen this coming, there are a couple of factors at work. First, being a security expert/consultant doesn't mean one has perfect security oneself (the shoes of the cobbler, etc.). Second, new attack modes are often involved. Third, Shimomura _did_ ultimately find the attack. As to what really happened with Shimomura, Markoff, Mitnick, and the Feds, I have no idea. The Littman account is one side of the story. The Shimomura-Markoff book will be another. The various movies and other deals will further complicate the picture. (There are some mighty strange characters involved. Katie Hafner, former wife of Markoff, wrote a piece for one of various weeklies or monthlies (maybe "Esquire," as I recall) about a former prostitute living in a trailer in Nevada--do former prostitutes ever live anywhere else?--who was badmouthing Shimomura and praising her buddy Mitnick...bizarre stuff...maybe it's make it into the movie. I understand that Christian Slater has agreed to play Mitnick, John Lone will play Shimomura, and Richard Drefuss will get the role of Markoff.) Knowing Markoff, Shimomura, and (vaguely) Menapace, and not knowing either Littman or Mitnick, I am somewhat biased toward the M-S-M view of things. While I don't think news of Mitnick is utterly alien to our group, I think people need to be discriminating in ascribing pro-Mitnick views to the Cypherpunks, at least as individuals. Supporting Mitnick just because he is a "hacker" or a "cracker" or a "cyber-outlaw" is wrong-headed. Also, I'm not persuaded that the Feds used blatantly illegal search and seizure tactics to arrest Mitnick. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: please stop the Mitnick stuff
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Littman mentions toad.com twice -- that site, a character says, suspiciously, "run by one of the founders of Sun." Used, allegedly by the perp, to get into the drawers of, Well, you know. BTW, Littman says, and that Markoff agrees, that it was not Mitnick who got into Shimomura's underware, but, more than likely, the "Israeli." Apparently, an incident occurred after Kevin's bust. Agree with Tim that the Markoff/Shimomura book is needed to see both sides. For now, Mitnick seems to be a hapless pawn. Me too, about stuff I only read about.

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WIRE TAP ON NET
by Douglas F. Elznic 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

E-MAIL-TAP NETS CRIMINALS The first-ever court-approved wiretap of an e-mail account has resulted in the arrest of three people charged with running a sophisticated cellular-fraud ring. The alleged mastermind, a German electrical engineer, advertised his illicit wares on CompuServe, where they caught the attention of an engineer at AT&T's wireless unit. The Secret Service and the Drug Enforcement Agency then got into the act and obtained the Justice Dept.'s permission to intercept e-mail messages between the alleged perpetrator and his accomplices. "This case represents the challenges in the future if we can't get ahead of the curve in technology," says a U.S. attorney, whose office is prosecuting the case. (Wall Street Journal 2 Jan 96 p16) -- ==================Douglas Elznic=================== delznic(a)storm.net http://www.vcomm.net/~delznic/ (315)682-5489 (315)682-1647 4877 Firethorn Circle Manlius, NY 13104 "Challenge the system, question the rules." =================================================== PGP key available: http://www.vcomm.net/~delznic/pgpkey.asc PGP Fingerprint: 68 6F 89 F6 F0 58 AE 22 14 8A 31 2A E5 5C FD A5 ===================================================

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Re: please stop the Mitnick stuff
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:31 PM 1/6/96 -0500, Perry Metzger wrote: > >This is cypherpunks, not Mitnick punks, Shimomura punks, or anything >similar. I personally don't care about Kevin Mitnick, and he most >certainly has little to no cryptography relevance at this point. Take >it elsewhere. C'mon, Perry, give it a break. Mitnick's case has to do with security issues as well as the violations of privacy and/or search and seizure the government used to arrest him. It may not be cryptography per se, but are you going to seriously argue that security, etc. is not encompassed in crypto issues? I found it interesting. If you didn't, then all you had to do was delete it. No one needs to read your personal crusade as *The One* who tells us what's relevant and what's not.

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