Re: please stop the Mitnick stuff
At 06:31 PM 1/6/96 -0500, Perry Metzger wrote:
This is cypherpunks, not Mitnick punks, Shimomura punks, or anything similar. I personally don't care about Kevin Mitnick, and he most certainly has little to no cryptography relevance at this point. Take it elsewhere.
C'mon, Perry, give it a break. Mitnick's case has to do with security issues as well as the violations of privacy and/or search and seizure the government used to arrest him. It may not be cryptography per se, but are you going to seriously argue that security, etc. is not encompassed in crypto issues? I found it interesting. If you didn't, then all you had to do was delete it. No one needs to read your personal crusade as *The One* who tells us what's relevant and what's not.
I don't usually rant, but nobody@replay.com (Anonymous) said: #C'mon, Perry, give it a break. Mitnick's case has to do with security #issues as well as the violations of privacy and/or search and seizure #the government used to arrest him. #It may not be cryptography per se, but are you going to seriously argue #that security, etc. is not encompassed in crypto issues? #I found it interesting. If you didn't, then all you had to do was #delete it. No one needs to read your personal crusade as *The One* #who tells us what's relevant and what's not. I too found it interesting reading (agreeing with your position). I too found it to be off-topic/off-charter (agreeing with Perry's position.) It really torques me when someone suggests: (in response to someone else's suggestion that something was off-topic) "just delete it." I subscribe to a lot of mailing lists and news groups. Anything that contributes to the noise/signal ratio, and doesn't aplologize for it is a bad thing, IMHO. To be more on-topic, if Mitnick knew more about crypto and covert ops, he probably woudln't have been caught as easily. When he was caught, the feds probably wouldn't have been able to gather as much evidence against him. I'll stop ranting, now. You probably don't know me, and probably don't care about why I don't care to read alt.fan.kevin.mitnick stuff on the cypherpunks list. FWIW, -- S
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At 06:31 PM 1/6/96 -0500, Perry Metzger wrote:
This is cypherpunks, not Mitnick punks, Shimomura punks, or anything similar. I personally don't care about Kevin Mitnick, and he most certainly has little to no cryptography relevance at this point. Take it elsewhere.
C'mon, Perry, give it a break. Mitnick's case has to do with security issues as well as the violations of privacy and/or search and seizure the government used to arrest him.
This isn't Libernet-d or something similar. This isn't where we discuss violations of search and seizure laws or thing of that kind. The world is full of injustice -- but this isn't the place to discuss it. Mitnick's case has very little (certainly at this point) to do with security, and never had anything to do with cryptography.
I found it interesting. If you didn't, then all you had to do was delete it.
When there are one or two small items posted on a topic thats no big deal. When its a lot of stuff, it becomes an enormous pain. Multiply the few seconds to read and digest enough of a message to know you should delete it by dozens of messages per mailing list per day and by a dozen mailing lists and you suddenly have an untenable waste of your time. Perry
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This is cypherpunks, not Mitnick punks, Shimomura punks, or anything similar. I personally don't care about Kevin Mitnick, and he most certainly has little to no cryptography relevance at this point. Take it elsewhere.
I agree 100% with Perry. The Mitnick discussion is somewhat more stimulating than the recent flood of alt.security.pgp fodder (HINT HINT use alt.security.pgp instead HINT HINT), but it doesn't belong here either. Futplex <futplex@pseudonym.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMO9OIynaAKQPVHDZAQHKrQf9Hc/wotKRqNKTYVQ4Zno6++CXIphyLrH8 qUL8pkTcTkoxB10X6x+TueA2jNFzZbzAdCpR1K20SSFXSSFwmvOtjqsSsJlKhyBC BLlGOtlWfZ9MxOPT/cXkr0a8GRKVz5G38h53vULnttI86eGGuO6XS4p/nBlyPqO5 oZJAFXJjjYSDXkmUKelRv5dKvf7z1sKjzbU0rZl95yX3t/Jy/PamroGWt7dEG//U 64ET47ZYBGg4xEG6hsJlOKiOVH5AmBk2lAUFricrkNw8ytzKwkVwJ0habZ45c0zy fyk+Dl6Kjcr/RO+FMkRKS0c0njmMBrLjDiiSZ3S80uuGc18IIwq9hw== =VLoM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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