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Re: Turkey
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:46 AM 2/19/96 +0300, yesim ozben wrote: >I read that they are trying to pass some law for the net to be controlled >by a monopoly and the reason is to be able to control things. So it's >spreading. > >Yesim > But if Turkey joins the EU, they will have to give up national communications monopolies. I knew the Treaty of Rome was good for something. DCF

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Re:
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 08:13 PM 2/18/96 -0500, Dave Emery wrote: > >> >> Bob writes: >> >> > Does anyone know if the new in-line optical amplifiers (not switches!) have >> > any effect on quantum crypto messages? > > Optical >> repeaters have to pass your signal through an intermediate electronic >> stage anyway, since we have no purely optical valve/transistor >> equivalents (bosons don't interact with each other at all). > > This is not true. There is now a whole technology of optical >amplifiers for fiber communications systems that used Ettrium doped >fibers pumped The proper name is "Erbium." But the rest of Dave Emery's commentary is accurate. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com Klaatu Burada Nikto Something is going to happen. Something.....Wonderful! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMSfqOPqHVDBboB2dAQH9vgP/X8sK3BdAwqf3clXxP31DZJqH6xLjMX3l UxZSDsLOJ7MRrkJ3h2WV+cBXtu6ZA/zOOjmjh+o+U+b4rEPQrVWfj10LyV5uYC7l Du9Sq6S3/qD9MVJLG5dTB3rnaLRh0alBWInyJBIJZz2Y7cjHJ+LCu7u++u39uLzv V5WV2DSdWW8= =QJ7q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Internet Privacy Guaranteed ad (POTP Jr.)
by Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- What the hell. That's pretty realistic in one sense... "if you break our code, we'll sell you the company for $1.00, because that's about all it'll be worth..." The One-time-pad reference doesn't make me feel secure about it at all. In fact I'm quite suspicious now... - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMSgNICoZzwIn1bdtAQECwgGAo06UUpUrpQr8MitBjIqgvf5avX9EPSDt 0MxWA0Csmwd2bNYG2Ro4KavnxR69Xhoi =XTPi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Piracy Bests ITAR
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Economist, 17 Feb 1995, p. 17. Should foreigners' intellectual property always be protected? [Excerpts] Is it right to expect governments, especially poor ones, to honour new World Trade Organization rules on intellectual property? Some economists have made a good case that slack enforcement of such rules may sometimes do little harm. Local firms benefit by acquiring pirated technology more cheaply than the real thing; consumers acquire affordable high-tech products and close copies of branded goods. Although the original producers of the intellectual property lose out, it is sometimes hard to tell how much. They might anyway have sold nothing in a poor country at rich prices. And provided that counterfeiters make reasonably faithful copies, piracy is free publicity: how many Chinese would know about Microsoft's latest programs, or listen to Michael Jackson's new album, had they not been able to buy illegal imitations? ... It is not always obvious what theft is. Much in patent and copyright law is arbitrary. But who says American copyright law is correct? More to the point, why should China accept America's view of how a drug design, say, should be accorded patent protection? In some cases, the interests of rich and poor countries are clearly at odds: one side has all the property. There seems to be no objective standard to appeal to. Eventually, this may change: as poor countries produce more innovations themselves, their own inventors will demand greater protection. Meanwhile, the lot of many intellectual-property producers will not be a happy one.

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Re: Internet Privacy Guaranteed ad (POTP Jr.)
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 04:42 AM 02/19/96 -0500, Futplex wrote: >> We will even prepare, or help prepare, the DIR.LST for users. >> >> While we have the software and manufacturing facility to do >> that quickly, it is not easily transportable, to say the >> least, and certain aspects of it, we consider highly proprietary. > >"not easily transportable, to say the least" ??? >Any ideas to what this might refer ? > Disk duplicating hardware? CDROM mass duplicator? (gotta put all those bits *somewhere* :-) Maybe it's the fission pile they're using as a RNG..... Dave Merriman -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMSeExMVrTvyYOzAZAQEKkQQAs/MfDsFq0YHiP0D40LnJ4E2Sbe1hkx64 vLngAmZMgck7Hl6XiSjkuGJFYQrFzalOMhl7PH5FLcnGM/THDxhsMZo6K4ygZZmf MZO5P0fJ4hfnBEjHp/Uv3407ITj2kJ51bf6Ct6npNmmPghLRhakotoD4IqbYy8Ii iYWP6H1fQX8= =WB2C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------- "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." P. J. O'Rourke (b. 1947), U.S. journalist. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> For privacy tools: http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/1148

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Re: Science News - article on Quantum Crypto
by jah＠alien.bt.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I am not sure this is correct. In-line optical amplifiers work by > stimulated emission like a laser rod. There is no intermediate > electronic stage. The amplifier is a section of fibre that is doped > with a rare earth element. The rare earth atoms are boosted into a metastable > high energy state using a power source around the fibre. Passing signals > (photons) stimulate the decays of the metastable states releasing more > photons and boosting the signal. I am not sure what the effect of this on the > polarisation characteristics of the signal is but my *hunch* is that the > polarisation characteristics would be preserved in the amplified signal. > > Sherry > > ps Any laser physicists in the house? Dr. Simon Phoenix (my resident quantum crypto guru) says no, you can't use em - you have to build secure repeaters. Simon has been doing this sort of thing in the Lab for years. He's simon(a)alien.bt.co.uk if you want to probe him gently. /.J BTW: You can build an Erbium doped amp that is 'transparent' to your secure channel.

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Re: Piracy Bests ITAR
by Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Alan Horowitz wrote: > Yes, when Mr Anon travels to a beach in Jamaica or in Mombasa, he > shouldn't complain when the taxi driver takes him, not to his requested > destination, buit some dark alley where Mr Anon gets clunked over the > head and his wallet removed. The locals need the money more than Mr > rich-tourist-on-vacation Anon. They're only doing socialist justice, > after all. > > Property is property. Theft is theft. Such absolutism! And an awful analogy (not entirely worthless, but not very good either). Has nothing to do with socialism... even works nice in a capitalist as in the case where people try the software, decide they like it, and then buy it latter when they can afford it. Sidekick and WordStar became popular because of this "borrowing". MS-DOS probably would not be so widespread if it weren't pirated. Oh yeah, patents as well... I assume from your post that you didn't use PGP before the MIT version (assuming you're in the US...). - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMSgfQSoZzwIn1bdtAQFVKwGA2lngCVinsxHtw45XdbNfTHc/Whv3BGey IvKs3cspDmvLe4cdyHWNXfzaw/u3aoCm =JClJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Piracy Bests ITAR
by Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bruce Murphy wrote: > > Has nothing to do with socialism... even works nice in a capitalist > > as in the case where people try the software, decide they like it, > > and then buy it latter when they can afford it. Sidekick and WordStar > > became popular because of this "borrowing". MS-DOS probably would > > be so widespread if it weren't pirated. > > Uh huh? And you are saying that there were *heaps* of computers out > there which could run MS-DOS which didn't come with it? And how much > more would those companies have made had the products been *forced* to > be sold rather than pirated. The point of the original article was that those products probably would *not* have been sold. What life would be like in other circumstances is hard to consider... and rather moot (a friend of mine has an expression for describing hypotheticals... "What is my grandfather had four arms?"). FSF/GNU and projects like FreeDOS, if they were several years earlier, would have made things quite interesting.... A point NOT in the orig. article but hinted at in the subject, though: if people cannot *buy* the software because of regs like ITAR, they'll steal it. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMSiSGioZzwIn1bdtAQHIzwF+NiBHyvvJRviXZv91iqEnMKc0LQWGok+z m8TiKOspP7wAZgGNmeRXWFXwrt2BV7sO =LEUO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Russian Crypto Laws
by Michael Froomkin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone know whether 1) the russians have issued any crypto licenses to either russians or foreigners? 2) whether anyone has been prosecuted for unlicensed crypto use in Russia? or even been charged or warned? [The above may have been dictated with Dragon Dictate/Win 2.0 voice recognition. Be alert for unintentional strange word substitutions.] A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) Associate Professor of Law | U. Miami School of Law | froomkin(a)law.miami.edu P.O. Box 248087 | http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | It's warm here.

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Re: Patents and Trademarks invalid
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Here's an idea: whenever someone uploads something like the RC2 source code, >why not have everyone attach it to their .signature? Is criminal justice >seriously going to pursue tracking down millions of people that did this? >Or would they pull the plug. Man's survival tool is his mind. Patents and copyright are establishing the ownership and protection the result of the exercise of his survival tool. Therefore they are good. To try to eliminate them is equivalent to promote slavery. JFA **** NEW PGP 2.6.2 KEY ********* This key is actually suspended, as of Feb, 16 1996, was never distributed, and might be subject to deletion. Sorry for the trouble my mis-management might have caused. 2048 bits Key ID:24201BA1 1996/02/13 Jean-Francois Avon <jf_avon(a)citenet.net> Key fingerprint = 23 B6 24 31 86 67 FB 35 C7 A7 AF 12 A1 61 E9 3D **** OLD KEY: DO NOT USE ANYMORE UNLESS FOR VERIFYING SIGNATURES **** 1024 bits Key ID:57214AED 1995/10/04 Jean-Francois Avon <jf_avon(a)citenet.net> Key fingerprint = 84 96 76 AE EB 7C AB 15 88 47 87 B0 18 31 74 9F

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