December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Trans World Specials Fare Sales
by Trans World Specials 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Welcome to Trans World Specials for December 8th, 1998. All tickets must be purchased at time of booking and not later than December 11, 1998. Did you know you still have until December 15th to travel and earn double Aviator miles. Don't miss your chance to double your earnings. And your chance to earn up to 15,000 bonus Aviator miles has been extended to January 31, 1999. You can get the details at: http://www.twa.com/frq_trav_info/ft_aviators_bonus.html Beginning next week we will launch a great new enhancement to our Hot Fares. Rather than phoning in your reservation, you will book them directly on our website. This will make it even easier for you save big. With select fares of $89 and higher you can receive a discount by redeeming only 5000 Aviator miles. To celerate our return to Mexico City, TWA is offering a great fare from St. Louis to Mexico City. Book your ticket with TWA by 12/13/98. You can stay as few as 3 days or as many as 30. Originate travel betweeen 1/31/99 and 2/28/99 and complete travel by 3/31/99. Say yes to Mexico! We also have a great deal from New York to St. Maarten, Netherlands to kick off our new service. Depart New York on December 17-18 and return December 19-21, 24, 25. On to this week's Trans World Specials. ************INTERNATIONAL************* *****MEXICO CITY, MEXICO*********** Roundtrip fare to MEXICO CITY, MEXICO from: (Depart January 31-February 28 and return by March 31) City: Fare: St. Louis $198 Roundtrip fare to ST. MAARTEN, NETHERLANDS from: (Depart December 17-18 and return December 19-21, 24, 25) City: Fare: New York, NY $248 ***********DOMESTIC***************** Roundtrip travel between ST. LOUIS, MO and: (Depart Friday 12/11 after 7 pm or all day 12/12 and return Monday or Tuesday 12/14 or 12/15) Fare: City: 5000 Miles Plus: $149 Denver, CO $99 $89 Milwaukee, WI $39 $159 New York, NY (LGA) $109 $149 Tampa, FL $99 $149 Washington, DC (DCA) $99 Roundtrip fares between ST. LOUIS, MO and: (Depart Saturday 12/12 and return Monday or Tuesday 12/14 or 12 15) Fare: City: 5000 Miles Plus: $129 Austin, TX $79 $139 Hartford, CT $89 $149 Ft. Lauderdale, FL $99 $169 Sacramento, CA $119 $159 Salt Lake City, UT $109 $129 San Antonio, TX $79 $99 Shreveport, LA $49 Roundtrip fare between NEW YORK, NY (JFK) and: (Depart Saturday 12/12 and return Monday or Tuesday 12/14 or 12/15) Fare: City: 5000 Miles Plus: $139 Orlando, FL $89 Roundtrip fare between AUSTIN, TX and: (Depart Saturday 12/12 and return Monday or Tuesday 12/14 or 12/15) Fare: City: 5000 Miles Plus: $219 Hartford, CT $169 $159 Milwaukee, WI $109 $219 New York, NY (LGA) $169 $199 Washington, DC (DCA) $149 Roundtrip fare between SAN ANTONIO, TX and: (Depart Saturday 12/12 and return Monday or Tuesday 12/14 or 12/15) Fare: City: 5000 Miles Plus: $219 Hartford, CT $169 $159 Milwaukee, WI $109 $219 New York, NY (LGA) $169 $199 Washington, DC (DCA) $149 Roundtrip fare between HARTFORD, CT and: (Depart Saturday 12/12 and return Monday or Tuesday 12/14 or 12/15) Fare: City: 5000 Miles Plus: $269 Sacramento, CA $219 $239 Salt Lake City, UT $189 $179 Shreveport, LA $129 Roundtrip fare between FT. LAUDERDALE, FL and: (Depart Saturday 12/12 and return Monday or Tuesday 12/14 or 12/15) Fare: City: 5000 Miles Plus: $179 Milwaukee, WI $129 $269 Sacramento, CA $219 Roundtrip fare between SACRAMENTO, CA and: (Depart Saturday 12/12 and return Monday or Tuesday 12/14 or 12/15) Fare: City: 5000 Miles Plus: $219 Milwaukee, WI $169 $269 New York, NY (LGA) $219 $269 Washington, DC (DCA) $219 Roundtrip fare between SHREVEPORT, LA and: (Depart Saturday 12/12 and return Monday or Tuesday 12/14 or 12/15) Fare: City: 5000 Miles Plus: $159 Denver, CO $109 $149 Milwaukee, WI $99 $179 New York, NY (LGA) $129 $219 Sacramento, CA $169 $179 Salt Lake City, UT $129 $159 Washington, DC (DCA) $109 Roundtrip fare between SALT LAKE CITY and: (Depart Saturday 12/12 and return Monday or Tuesday 12/14 or 12/15) Fare: City: 5000 Miles Plus: $179 Milwaukee, WI $129 $239 Washington, DC (DCA) $189 For reservations call TWA at 1-800-221-2000 and ask for TWA's special Internet fares. To redeem Aviator Miles with your fare, call the Aviators Service Center at 1-800-325-4815. ****************ALAMO**************** Alamo offers the following low rates valid 12/11/98 - 12/14/98 $16.49 Austin, TX - San Antonio,TX $17.49 Milwaukee, WI - St. Louis, MO $18.49 Salt Lake City, UT $19.49 Ft. Lauderdale, FL - Orlando, FL - Tampa, FL $20.49 Hartford, CT - Washington, DC(National) -Sacramento, CA $21.49 Denver, CO For reservations call Alamo at 1-800-GO-ALAMO and request rate code RT and ID # 443833. For online reservations visit the Alamo website at: http://www.goalaomo.com ***********HILTON HOTELS/RESORTS****************** $72 Hilton Crystal City at National Airport Arlington, VA ( Free airport shuttle, located 5 minutes form the sights of D.C.) $79 Hilton Deerfield Beach/Boca Raton Deerfield Beach, FL (Just 2 miles from the beach. Visit Town Center Mall & Boca Museum of Art) $59 Hilton Salt Lake City Airport Salt Lake City, UT (Located next to a lake, stunning view of Wasatch Mountains) $89 Hilton St. Louis Frontenac-St. Louis, MO (Free airport shuttle and parking, located midtown near shopping and entertainment) $99 Hilton Clearwater Beach Resort - Clearwater, FL (Located on 10 acres of white sandy beach on the Gulf of Mexico) For reservations call Hilton at 1-800-774-1500 and ask for Hilton Value Rates. Visit Hilton online at: http://www.hilton.com ********TERMS & CONDITIONS************** GENERAL CONDITIONS: Fares shown are roundtrip, nonrefundable and are subject to change. Changes to itinerary are not permitted. Fares do not include Passenger Facility Charges of up to $12 depending on itinerary. Must use E-Ticketing for domestic travel. Credit card is the only form of payment accepted when booked with TWA reservations. Offer is not available in conjunction with any other discount, coupon or promotional offer. Seats are limited and may not be available on all flights or days of the week. Tickets must be purchased at time of booking and no later than 12/11/98. Standby passengers are not allowed. Aviator miles not accrued when redeeming Aviator miles for fare discount. Travel is not allowed on Trans World Express or any other carrier. Aviator miles are non-refundable and may not be recredited to member's account once redeemed. Aviator earned and purchased upgrade certificates may not be used in conjunction with 5000 mile option. DOMESTIC: All fares valid for outbound travel Saturday 12/12 and return travel Monday (12/14) or Tuesday (12/15). Certain fares indicated are also available for departure on Friday 12/11 after 7 p.m. All travel to be completed by 12/15/98. For 12/12 departures minimum stay is 2 days and maximum stay is 3 days. For 12/11 departures minimum stay is 3 days and maximum stay is 4 days. Select Fares $89 and higher may be discounted by redeeming 5000 Aviator miles. INTERNATIONAL: Tickets to Mexico City must be purchased at time of booking and not later than 12/13/98. Travel may originate in St. Louis only. Travel must begin between January 31 and February 28, 1999 and be completed by March 31, 1999. Minimum stay is 3 days and maximum stay is 30 days. Tickets are nonrefundable and no changes are permitted. Fare does not include $32 in APHIS/Immigration/U.S. departure tax, $16.90 Mexico International Airport Departure Tax, or $7.40 in Mexico International Value Added Tax. Travel to St. Maarten may originate in New York only. Depart New York December 17-18 and return December 19-21, 24, 25. Electronic ticketing is required. E-tickets may be issued by travel agency but booking must be done by TWA. Tickets are nonrefundable and non-changeable. Fare does not include $47 in APHIS/U.S. Customs/Immigration/U.S. Departure Tax/Security Surcharge. Car Rental Conditions: Taxes (including in California, VLF taxes ranging up to $1.89 per day), registrations fee/tax reimbursement, and airport access fees/taxes, if any, are extra. Optional CDW, liability insurance, fuel, additional driver fee, drop charges and other optional items are extra. Rates higher for renters under age 25. Rates valid for economy rentals(unless stated otherwise by Alamo) commencing on Friday and ending by 11:59 PM on Monday. Rates only valid during week in which they are published via TWA Internet site. A 24-hour advance reservation is required. Availability is limited. Two day minimum rental required. Hotel Conditions: Hilton Hotels and Resorts special rates are available only during the specific week in which they are published via the TWA Hot Deals Internet site and the HiltonNet Internet site. Limited availability; rooms at these Hilton Value Rates are sold on a first-come, first-served basis. Availability, rate, and terms of occupancy are not guaranteed and will be confirmed at time of reservation. Participating hotels, rates and terms are subject to change without notice. Single or double occupancy. Early check-in, late check-out subject to availability. No extra charge for children when they stay in parents' or grandparents' room; total room occupancy subject to local fire safety regulations and other applicable laws or regulations. Rates vary by season, do not include any other fees or charges, including without limitation state or local taxes or gratuities and are subject to change without notice. Advance booking required. Advance deposit may be required. Offer cannot be combined with any other special discounts, coupons, certificates, special rates, promotional offers, award stays, or meeting/group stays. Hilton reserves the right to cancel any Hilton Value Rate at any time without notice. Hilton is not responsible for the terms of other offers in the program, or for any electronic, computer, telephone, security, virus or any other problem or damage related to use of the program or its offers.

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Re: The problem with 'Gilmore's RSAREF' site... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 10:45:56 -0500 > From: Duncan Frissell <frissell(a)panix.com> > Subject: Re: The problem with 'Gilmore's RSAREF' site... > > Save that the cowards have never busted anyone for crypto exports. It's > dead letter law. They know they'd lose a criminal case against a civilian. > So, when do you bring your site with unconstrained access to PGP up? ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 17:28:59 +0100 > From: Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen(a)stud.uni-muenchen.de> > Subject: Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd) > For longer term it might be desirable to have a site in a crypto- > politics neutral country (one that is unlikely to have crypto laws > in foreseeable future) to which software could be uploaded. > Downloading is then import and not subject to restriction. Where? Where is there a country that has a social, economic, and legal infrastructure of sufficient breadth but liberal views of speech to support such an effort? There are lots of little countries around but they have unstable governments, no economy to speak of, limited telecommunications infrastructure, etc. It's fine and dandy to talk about this in the theoretic but the rubber has to hit the road at some point. There isn't such a country to be had. ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Ber (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 10:41:33 -0500 > From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > Subject: Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Ber > Yes, Gilmore's proposal was to mirror the contents; URLs threaten > no reg-makers. > > Yep, mirrors of everything would be very large. We've heard already > that folks would like help in knowing what to mirror if they can't do > large archives, or can't easily decide which are most important. [text deleted] > What would help is a list from experts on what are the most gov-enraging > programs. We'd like to offer a few of those on jya.com, to test BXA's up-and- > running crypto-enforcement program, maybe get some jail and trial pleasure, > it's been too quiet on Bernstein, Junger, Karn, et al, a deliberate gov-stall, > awaiting Wassenaar. Besides enraging, it should also include the necessary documents, monographs, libraries, etc. to empower others to write the code within their own legal boundaries. If somebody makes the effort to compile such a list I'd like to personaly request they include this in addition to finished product. ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd) > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:43:58 +0100 (MET) > From: 3umoelle(a)informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Ulf =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F6ller?=) > > Ah, so the call is for folks in Denmark to post the various pieces of > > currently available software then, not everyone on the planet as it appears. > > It is not just about Denmark. The Wassenaar arrangement has been > signed by 33 countries, including the US, Canada, the European Union, > Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Norway and others. Up to now, 30 of > these states have allowed to export mass market and public domain > crypto software without a license. Only the US, France and NZ did not > have the "General Software Note". Which is EXACTLY my point. People are being asked to put their butts on the line with no infrastructure or plan for what happens when the LEA's show up. Such poor planning is doomed to fail. > The US has exercised extreme pressure at the Wassenaar conference (as > one German government official writes) and has managed to get the > General Software Note modified. Now the states that have signed the > arrangement will have to regulate the export of strong > cryptography. There are other places such as Brazil, Iceland, South > Africa, India, and even Singapore which do not have any export > restrictions. And look at their social, economic, and civil liberty records. Other than Iceland not one area on your list of places has sufficient resources of the correct type to support this sort of effort. Iceland is about the only place that has any hope at all. Is there any move by any group to start some sort of archive there? Are there any subscribers from Iceland on the CDR? If so, I'd like their view on how realistic it would be to host a site in Iceland. > John Gilmore writes: "I call for volunteers in each country, at each > university or crypto-aware organization, to download crypto tools > while they can still be exported from where they are, and then to > offer them for export from your own site and your own country as long > as it's legal." ^^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Which is exactly what is needed in this situation. Which, again, is my point. What is Gilmore going to do when they decide to make it illegal and start hassling these folks who were kind enough to back him? What does he OWE them for their participation in HIS movement? > RSAREF is what he has determined he can legally export from the US. So, > yes, he is doing what he also asks others to do. Hm, funny. Looks like EFF owns that site. Gilmore is doing nothing himself. He's using EFF as a shield for personal liability. Why isn't he suggesting that others do this instead of direct and personal action? Why is he not running the gilmore.org site directly? Why isn't he looking at starting some sort of international organization similar to EFF, or expanding EFF to do this sort of stuff and at the same time provide the same sort of legal shield he currently enjoys? > > Let me ask you this Ulf, when is YOUR site going up? > > My university is already distributing SSLeay, PGP, ssh, cfs and other > cypto tools. As long as they continue to do so, I won't make my mirror > available on the web, but my own crypto site is going up later this > week with another piece of strong crypto software. Kudos. > > What are you going to do for YOUR liberty today? Has Gilmore agreed to > > help fund YOUR fight of the change in your courts? > > Today I am going to create the distribution of the software I have > been working on in the past months, have the server set up and, if all > goes well, upload the file. > > I have made a few thousand dollars on developing crypto software and I > am ready to use much of that money to defend my right to distribute > the results of my work on the web. I haven't asked John or anybody > else to help me. But John IS asking you, me, and others to help him. ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Government-enraging programs
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young writes: > What would help is a list from experts on what are the most gov-enraging > programs. We'd like to offer a few of those on jya.com, to test BXA's up-and- > running crypto-enforcement program, maybe get some jail and trial pleasure, > it's been too quiet on Bernstein, Junger, Karn, et al, a deliberate gov-stall, > awaiting Wassenaar. One way to determine which programs are the best for this purpose would be to study what various governments have taken some action on. Some obvious ones: PGP (various versions, high level of government interest) Snuffle (extended US litigation) All the AES candidates (strictly-controlled dissemination from NIST) SecureOffice (Charles Booher's program -- US government has taken action) Applied Cryptography disk (US export license denied) It would also be nice to have an infrastructural component, such as (when ready for mass distribution) the Linux/FreeSWAN IPSec release; this doesn't have quite the cachet of programs on which the government has already weighed in, though. -- Jim Gillogly Sterday, 18 Foreyule S.R. 1998, 17:40 12.19.5.13.11, 10 Chuen 4 Mac, First Lord of Night

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Baker on Gilmore's Foil of Wassenaar
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Response to a forward of John Gilmore's message to UK Crypto: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:50:19 -0500 From: <sbaker(a)steptoe.com> To: <ukcrypto(a)maillist.ox.ac.uk> Subject: Re:Foil to Wassenaar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" I would only add this caution. I think John is wrong in giving legal advice that Wassenaar is not binding without implementing legislation. That is an American approach to these matters. I believe that many, perhaps most, Wassenaar members derive their authority to regulate exports directly from the arrangement itself. For that reason, I would not assume that everyone everywhere is free to ignore the new restrictions until some further law or regulation is promulgated. Stewart Baker Steptoe & Johnson LLP 202.429.6413 sbaker(a)steptoe.com Baker & Hurst, "The Limits of Trust -- Governments, Cryptography, and Electronic Commerce" is now available from http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/9041106359

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Re: The problem with 'Gilmore's RSAREF' site...
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Save that the cowards have never busted anyone for crypto exports. It's > dead letter law. They know they'd lose a criminal case against a civilian. > > DCF What about the Martinez case? She was convicted of exporting a satellite TV descrambler because of its crypto hardware. Charles Booher is still facing possible prosecution for putting his SecureOffice program on his website. His Grand Jury hearing for possible indictment has been postponed, at last report. Can we be sure that he won't be indicted?

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RE: The problem with 'Gilmore's RSAREF' site...
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > In effect he's asking YOU to be cannon fodder for his rights. No, he's asking people who are willing to act in their own self-interest to protect the flow of strong crypto. Note he didn't even ask people to do so as civil disobedience (illegally), which I would myself be more than willing to do could I afford the bandwidth and legal fees. If you have no self-interest, then shut up and don't participate. You're in the USS Republic of Texas anyway. Matt "Anyone who fights for the future, lives in it today." --Ayn Rand

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RE: The problem with 'Gilmore's RSAREF' site... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: The problem with 'Gilmore's RSAREF' site... > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:20:00 -0800 > Jim Choate wrote: > > In effect he's asking YOU to be cannon fodder for his rights. > No, he's asking people who are willing to act in their own self-interest to > protect the flow of strong crypto. Note he didn't even ask people to do so > as civil disobedience (illegally), which I would myself be more than willing > to do could I afford the bandwidth and legal fees. No, what he's asking people to do is provide a mechanism for politicaly controversial material to be made available in areas that are legal for those who are in areas where it isn't legal. If you seriously wish to propose that won't make you a target then you have no clue how LEA's work. While he does this behind the legal protection of EFF he's asking others to do it first person, something he apparently can't find the fortitude to do himself. Further, he's not willing to extend his legal protection to help others. > If you have no self-interest, then shut up and don't participate. You're in > the USS Republic of Texas anyway. What an ignorant statement. When is YOUR CDR node going up (email accounts are about $25/mo)? I've put up and continue to do so, when do you commit and then obtain the morale right to criticize others who are acting in their and YOUR best interest? I'd guess never, that takes a committment. Hell, if it wasn't for Igor and myself you wouldn't in all likelyhood even have this place to bitch. It would have disappered over a year ago. Nobody else (even the the co-creator TC May) was willing to save it. Now we've got 6 nodes (1 in Japan) which makes it very difficult to completely shut down legaly, physicaly, or through acts of God (eg tree falls or fires). You could put up a CDR node and finance it each month by smoking 1/4 ounce less of your pot. It's cheap, cheap, cheap. Piss off junior. ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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