December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: The problem with 'Gilmore's RSAREF' site...
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > In effect he's asking YOU to be cannon fodder for his rights. No, he's asking people who are willing to act in their own self-interest to protect the flow of strong crypto. Note he didn't even ask people to do so as civil disobedience (illegally), which I would myself be more than willing to do could I afford the bandwidth and legal fees. If you have no self-interest, then shut up and don't participate. You're in the USS Republic of Texas anyway. Matt "Anyone who fights for the future, lives in it today." --Ayn Rand

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RE: The problem with 'Gilmore's RSAREF' site... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: The problem with 'Gilmore's RSAREF' site... > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:20:00 -0800 > Jim Choate wrote: > > In effect he's asking YOU to be cannon fodder for his rights. > No, he's asking people who are willing to act in their own self-interest to > protect the flow of strong crypto. Note he didn't even ask people to do so > as civil disobedience (illegally), which I would myself be more than willing > to do could I afford the bandwidth and legal fees. No, what he's asking people to do is provide a mechanism for politicaly controversial material to be made available in areas that are legal for those who are in areas where it isn't legal. If you seriously wish to propose that won't make you a target then you have no clue how LEA's work. While he does this behind the legal protection of EFF he's asking others to do it first person, something he apparently can't find the fortitude to do himself. Further, he's not willing to extend his legal protection to help others. > If you have no self-interest, then shut up and don't participate. You're in > the USS Republic of Texas anyway. What an ignorant statement. When is YOUR CDR node going up (email accounts are about $25/mo)? I've put up and continue to do so, when do you commit and then obtain the morale right to criticize others who are acting in their and YOUR best interest? I'd guess never, that takes a committment. Hell, if it wasn't for Igor and myself you wouldn't in all likelyhood even have this place to bitch. It would have disappered over a year ago. Nobody else (even the the co-creator TC May) was willing to save it. Now we've got 6 nodes (1 in Japan) which makes it very difficult to completely shut down legaly, physicaly, or through acts of God (eg tree falls or fires). You could put up a CDR node and finance it each month by smoking 1/4 ounce less of your pot. It's cheap, cheap, cheap. Piss off junior. ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 19:20:34 +0100 > From: Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen(a)stud.uni-muenchen.de> > Subject: Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd) > I don't know. But maybe Switzerland, a neutral country in wars, I suspect that with their reversal concerning anonymous numbered accounts and other similar changes in their laws and their enforcement that none of the fully developed countries in N. America, W. Europe, Pacific Rim would be good candidates for this sort of shenanigan without some legal backing from the get go. That leaves S. America, Africa, E. Europe, Middle East, India, and China. Not a lot of hope there. If it's not political issues, it's no economies, no modern infrastructure, religious, etc. Besides, do you really want to trust a country that funded the Nazi'a when they claimed neutrality? There continues neutrality is a ruse because it's convenient to trap those who aren't smart enough to ask why they manage to survive when their neighbors are toast. And it ain't because the mountains are high or everyone is armed. Just look at Barbarossa. > such a site could be erected. Of course it is a resource problem. No, it isn't. I fund my entire site for about $600/mo out of my own pocket. ISDN, DNS, 24 hour access, etc. That's cheap for fighting abuses of civil liberties by organizations whose bugdets are measured in big-B's. My main box (einstein) is a 486DX2/80 20M ram, 2G of drive running Linux 1.1.59 for the last 4 years. I just gave away 10 Sun 3/60's and HP/Apollo 400's that would be perfect for this sort of stuff except nobody is willing to do it. People are always giving me machines in the hope that I can either do something with them or can find somebody else who will; They're mighty rare (the people that is). I'm in the process of looking at DirectPC for a means to give my domain a fully functional mobile site. I'm looking at a couple of hundred dollars a month for that over a thousand or so for the hardware. Use Linux and run it off your car (Ok, I've a Brono II so it's a bit more convenient) via a converter. People are pretty intrigued when I put the dish in the back and drive around. Setup is easy, pull the dish from the back and clamp it on the baggage rack and site it. Hook a cell phone up for uplinks and sit back with a 400k max downlink. What's really cool is the dish I've been playing with has a DirectPC lmb and two DSS lmb's as well. The whole setup was less than $500 (minus the DSS tuners). I recognize that say $1k/mo. is a lot for most folks but the real interesting question is why the better funded cpunks aren't doing this sort of stuff when they claim such committment to the cause. Gilmore, TC May, etc. are clearly financialy capable of such activities. Such organizations as EFF and EF-Texas/Georgia clearly could raise these sorts of funds to further their suggestions to the rest of us, yet they don't. The best we get from them is requests for us to do it alone. There are times when I read some of May, Gilmore, Declan, etc. missives and wonder who it is they REALLY work for. Why is it they consistently don't follow through on their own suggestions? > But nowadays storage is getting cheaper. If one has a server machine, > it shouldn't be too big a problem to set up an archive. Yeah, two hours of work and it's there. Dirt simple. > to obtain a compiler and run the installation script. That way > storage space can be highly reduced. I'm buying 3G drives for less than $200 and I checked with John Young's archive and his entire archive is a tad over 200M. My guess is the entire web contents regarding crypto could be put down in a couple of gigs. Technical resources are not the issue. It's finding people who are willing to put themselves in harms way for their beliefs. Very few people have the strength of their convictions (most likely because they don't have any). I'd say most folks are motivated by mental masturbation. ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Power Outage in San Fransisco/bay area (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:27:18 -0800 (PST) > From: Max Inux <maxinux(a)bigfoot.com> > Subject: Power Outage in San Fransisco/bay area > Well, we are going on hour 4 now, most of the power is back. One group of > 2-4 employees caused it they say. This was admitted 3 hours later, and > then they knew 15 minutes after it happens.. typical. They expect to be > back on by this afternoon Damn, you beat me to it. I was going to post something about a dry run for Y2K in San Fran. Any rioting? ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Power Outage in San Fransisco/bay area
by Max Inux 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, we are going on hour 4 now, most of the power is back. One group of 2-4 employees caused it they say. This was admitted 3 hours later, and then they knew 15 minutes after it happens.. typical. They expect to be back on by this afternoon On the Shell Building at 8:30AM "Building closed, no power. Power will not be restored for 6-8 hours." I wonder how they knew. The estimate is probably about right too, wierd. The mission village sub-station has been re-oppened, and most peoples power is now being revived. Funny how 2-4 people not following procedure were able to shut down 4 substations. Looks like PG&E have lots of work ahead to find out the cause/effect of this type action. Max -- Max Inux <maxinux(a)openpgp.net> New DH and RSA keys Generated. Kinky Sex makes the world go round If crypto is outlawed only outlaws will have crypto

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Altavista hacked
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: The problem with 'Gilmore's RSAREF' site... (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Further, he's not willing to extend his legal protection to help > others. Has there been any indication that the EFF would not support or help someone being persecuted for crypto-export disobedience? I wouldn't rely on such charity, nor is charity ever obligatory (that's socialism), but what reason do you have to discount it? The essence of civil disobedience is many many individual targets, not one organization. > When is YOUR CDR node going up Fine, if that is the source if your righteousness, I will put one up 1Q99. I won't even play the my network is bigger than your network pissing match, but I will put my money where my mouth is if you think hosting a list node is that big of a deal. I'm am not critical of any contribution, but I will be critical of someone chastising others contributions simply because they would do it differently. A call to arms to protect liberty is not a draft. If you don't want a gun, then don't take it, I won't even call you a Tory. Matt

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RE: The problem with 'Gilmore's RSAREF' site... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: The problem with 'Gilmore's RSAREF' site... (fwd) > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:26:52 -0800 > > Further, he's not willing to extend his legal protection to help > > others. > > Has there been any indication that the EFF would not support or help someone > being persecuted for crypto-export disobedience? I wouldn't rely on such I've asked many times from the local chapter and the answer was always no. The EFF has certainly never offered legal support to anyone in the 8 years or so they've been in existance, well other than Steve Jackson perhaps (I'm not sure if the EFF helped defray any of his court costs). > charity, nor is charity ever obligatory (that's socialism), but what reason > do you have to discount it? > > The essence of civil disobedience is many many individual targets, not one > organization. You should look into the history of civil disobedience then. The ONLY time it works is when it is done via mass involvement. The NAACP and ACLU have been quite effective within their limited areas of interest. Your understanding of the history of civil disobedience is skewed at best. > I'm am not critical of any contribution, but I will be critical of someone > chastising others contributions simply because they would do it differently. > A call to arms to protect liberty is not a draft. If you don't want a gun, > then don't take it, I won't even call you a Tory. Then you should rethink your approach. Somebody asking to put your neck on the block while they won't with their own is no contributor. I believe back in the War of Indipendence THOSE people were called Tory. ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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FW: Survey Says Kids Feel 'Threatened' By Real Life
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A survey has suggested that up to one and a half million British children may have been upset by something they have heard or read. The NOP poll shows that one in five of nearly 4,000 children between the ages of six and 16 interviewed for the survey between September and October this year were "uncomfortable" with the state of world affairs. In the UK, 7.2 million children are estimated to be exposed to the outside world - roughly 98% of all children between six and 16. Of those who have had negative experiences while being outside the home, the largest proportion - 40% - had seen something "rude". 'Not surprised' One in seven said they had encountered information that had "freightened them", while 25% heard ideas that "would get them into trouble". NOP Associate Director Rob Lawson described the numbers as a "significant minority". The children's charity NCH Action for Children suggested the survey strengthened calls for censorship to protect younger people. Charity spokesman John Carr said: "I regret to say I'm not surprised by this survey's findings, it's what we have been saying for some time. Censors "Parents need to know their children are learning in safety and security. At the moment, they have no way of knowing that at all." NCH Action for Children, which advises the government on children's issues, backs the introduction of censors - people who filter out ideas unsuitable for children. The survey, called Kids.net, was paid for by Microsoft, the NSA, the GOP, China, and MCI/Worldcom in syndicate. The Department of Trade and Industry's forthcoming review on Internet regulation is expected to be published before Christmas. [satire on news from news.bbs.co.uk]

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