December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: tyranny of corporations (was: Corporate Nations)
by Albert P. Franco, II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>>> From: "Blanc" Also, this image of hyperindividualism doesn't seem right. I would think such an extreme degree of individualism would exclude much involvement with others, meaning they could not run corporations, because for a business to exist requires involvement in providing a service/product to the largest numbers of the population as possible, and they can only do this if this large mass of people see the value of, and accept, in preference to the offerings of the competition, what that particular corporation offers. I imagine a hyperindividual more as an independent contractor working "alone". There are dozens of examples of the Executive that comes to a new position, cuts jobs and makes other changes that make the bottom line look good in the short term. Since the sales of a very large company are not likely to "crash", this person looks good for a couple of years, then hops to a new job and the next guy catches the fallout of the short-term vision. The independent contractor on the other hand will probably never have the sales base to get away with screwing over his/her employees and clients. The independent contractor, that is not an out and out criminal, generally has to be very careful not to alienate the customers. A big corporation on the other hand can afford to lose a few thousand customers without too much trouble. A scoundrel has a much better chance of fucking over people in his/her rise to the top in a corporation than in a small company. The fly-by-night companies that are obviously rip-offs are not quite the same thing since very few people aspire to be like these folks. But the original authors point is correct in that a very large part of the population want to be able to emulate the big time self-interest seekers. APF

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Votes
by Richard.Bragg＠ssa.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wonder how the good 'ol Beeb will handle loads of votes from non-uk people. Especially how will they cope with anonymous remailers. I know this is off-topic cypherpunks but lets indulge in a little gentle humour. ---------------------- Forwarded by Richard Bragg/UK/SSA_EUROPE on 08/12/98 10:27 --------------------------- Hilary Davidson 08/12/98 10:24 To: UK BEC, UK Contractors BEC, Workfun cc: Subject: Votes This has to be done!! ---------------------- Forwarded by Hilary Davidson/UK/SSA_EUROPE on 08-12-98 10:23 AM --------------------------- "Ashley Lane" <adlane(a)fizzbang.demon.co.uk> on 07-12-98 10:00:39 PM To: "Andy Randerson" <andy(a)andyran.demon.co.uk>, "Marcus Lane" <marcus.lane(a)Drives.Eurotherm.com>, Hilary Davidson/UK/SSA_EUROPE, "Jonathan Cory" <jonathan_cory(a)phoenix.com>, "Jason Boxall" <JBoxall(a)lonza.co.uk> cc: Subject: Votes All, We are going to try to influence the result of the voting for BBC Sports Personality of the year. It has been decided that David Beckham would provide most embarrassment to the organisers if winning, so could you all e-mail your vote to the following address: sports.review(a)bbc.co.uk More importantly, can you forward this mail to all your mates & acquaintances asap in the hope that they will participate. Your co-operation in this matter is greatly appreciated ________________________________ The information contained in this electronic mail message is confidential. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorised to receive it. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, copying, dissemination or disclosure of this information is strictly prohibited. ________________________________

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RE: tyranny of corporations (was: Corporate Nations)
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In <3.0.3.32.19981207161424.006ae900(a)209.204.247.83>, on 12/07/98 at 12:17 PM, "Albert P. Franco, II" <apf2(a)apf2.com> said: ><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param><smaller> Please set Eudora so it does not output this junk in your messages. tks, -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html ---------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Corporate Mandarins and The Tyranny of *Hierarchy*
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> This "sociological" analysis probably went over really well at a > touchy-feely corporate navel-gazing camp because it's more the way > some grey-flannel men *wish* they were, than the way they actually > are. > Take a look at the history of the Love Canal in Buffalo, NY or the tobacco industry and think about these as models of corporate behavior when you hire the exterminator to come onto your property to take care of some pesky ants and horribly nasty, dangerous spiders using "safe, environmentally sound" insecticides. The burden of proof is backwards all too often in evaluating the manner in which corporations treat their customers and their community. It sure looks like the corporate world has more than its fair share of major criminals to me: some of them firmly and respectably in place in Congress. They just don't hack little girls to pieces and bury them in the woods; they kill tens of thousands, slowly, and hide behind the finest suits and the sharpest lawyers. The quest for economic gain coupled with the blatant disregard for the health and safety of those around you is what is meant by hyperindividualism. It's simply greed coupled with sociopathy. Describing this as an offshoot of 20th century liberalism is way beyond me. > or even "criminals" like Rockefeller ... > This is well off-thread but I saw a movie clip of John D. from the mid 40's where he was at a podium being fingerprinted as a publicity bit to promote the FBI's policy of trying to fingerprint all Americans. Nothing new under the sun eh? Mike

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Export of PGP Illegal in Denmark. Threatened w. jail (fwd)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:05:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Jay D. Dyson" <jdyson(a)techreports.jpl.nasa.gov> To: Cryptography List <cryptography(a)c2.net> Subject: Export of PGP Illegal in Denmark. Threatened w. jail (fwd) Organization: NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory X-No-Archive: yes X-PGP-Notice: E-mail me for my PGP Public Key. X-Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of NASA/JPL/Caltech. X-To-Spammer: Spamming a U.S. Government institution will only get you a $500 per incident fine. MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-cryptography(a)c2.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Courtesy of Defcon Stuff. (Do I hear jackboots in the night? 'Deed I do!) Sorry, Uncle Sam. I'm a fan of cryptography, not crippletography. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 13:45:17 +0100 From: "boo(a)datashopper.dk" <boo(a)Datashopper.Dk> To: dc-stuff(a)dis.org Subject: Export of PGP Illegal in Denmark. Threatened w. jail Hi This is a true story. Denmark now - along with the whole EU - has assimilated US-crypto laws. I just had a phone conversation with the danish ministry of commerce, the export control division. The kind lady I spoke to threatened me with fines or jail for up to two years. For having PGP for free download on my homepage! I called the division to hear about the Wassenaar arrangement on export-restrictions on strong crypto and its consequences. So I ask this lady something like: I have this strong crypto program called PGP on my homepage. What should I do. Does this Wassenaar arrangement concern me? 'It sure does', she replies, and start to ask a lot of questions about my homepage - does it have unlimited global access etc. And then she says: 'You better take it down', and starts to reiterate the legal aspects, e.g. two laws from EU on export restrictions. Specifically she points out the penal code: Fines. Jail. So... I'm _not_ going to take down PGP voluntarily. Otoh I'm going to SHOUT this out loud. (I have already contacted two members of parliament and will start calling all 179 later today.) Lets see what happens... - -- Boo PI = int a=10000,b,c=2800,d,e,f[2801],g;main(){for(;b-c;)f[b++]=a/5; for(;d=0,g=c*2;c-=14,printf("%.4d",e+d/a),e=d%a)for(b=c;d+=f[b]*a, f[b]=d%--g,d/=g--,--b;d*=b);} -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNmv8uLl5qZylQQm1AQGYPQQAhDs8XfKRLD0ECTO5LuF1iA+0Yr7B9Yon CAnKwZYAk07BYG2u/xuFEsU/xdoNTap+lVmWEwciREPL+wjF/hSWeq+/YP6uwpCb 9pkoXkMst2NnFQ6744GTYiRJMQPc4no6aaDzWwO4FnMjyIzUpD4kBPkh0MHutCAF PyXXbstG1z8= =ByGn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls
by x 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:53 AM 12/8/98 +0200, Tim Griffiths wrote: > >x wrote: >> >> This brings to mind again a method of distribution that I've thought for >> some time and has probably been discussed on this list before... >> For (a trivial) example take the image of PGP zipped up for download. >> Three different sites create a unique portion of that image for >> themselves, for example, each site takes every third byte, and throw >> in some additional obfuscation...It then is trivial to reconstruct >> the desired image from the independent sources, while none of the >> sources themselves can be subject to controls without having to go >> down the rat hole of having to define what really constitutes the >> restricted material... > >1. What is the point of the obfuscation? If it's not legal to do it >openly, then it's certainly not legal to hide the fact your doing it. >"The accused did it in such a way as to demonstrate that he was aware >of it's illegality". the point is not to hide anything; the point is to expand, arbitrarily (and this was a trivial example), the f() that takes bits from a controllable image to one that is not. > >2. By your example, you could also take a cruise missile apart, and >ship each part separately. After all, none of it is actually a missile. in a cruise missle, there will be certain parts -- e.g. the warhead explosives? -- that are still identifiable as controlled. taking apart the missle by n people where n is the number of 'parts' will result in some subset of participants possessing components that implicate them in an illegal act. this is simply not true of bits. What is the bit sequence that defines "munition"-ness? My point is that there is no hard point at which that can be defined, when you start talking about mappings from a controlled image to some other images which cannot be controlled. > >However I 'export' PGP from the US, I'm exporting it, even if I have a >web site for each bit, 0 or 1 being determined by whether Clinton has >a cigar or not in a posted picture. You're just asserting the assumptions I am trying to examine, and this is not helpful. You're also assuming a single participant, with accountability. I am assuming multiple participants, and that they're acting independently; let's expand this to say that one individual provides the 'algorithm' for the mapping, and any other participants are free to obtain their image out of band legally, and implement this algorithm on some portion of the image, publishing the result. Whom do you arrest? Where is the culpability? If the algorithm defines that there be 256K subimages of the original, one for each byte, say...can I be arrested for choosing to post f(byte 123,456)? Or do I get arrested for publishing f(byte 123,456) PLUS the information that identifies this byte as corresponding to byte 123,456 in the reconstruction of the original? I honestly don't know where this goes, but to just make a blanket statement like you did doesn't really add anything. >Yes, the law is inconsistent (let alone stupid). Not, I wouldn't want >to try this and expect to be immune from prosecution. > >Tim G > >-- >Tim Griffiths griffith(a)wis.weizmann.ac.il >Center for Submicron Research http://tim01.ex.ac.uk >Weizmann Institute of Science (972)-8-934-2736 >Rehovot 76100 Israel > > 'I have sat and listened to the arguments of men, > and I tell you they are shallow movements in space > tied to reality only by the ego of their minds.' -DF > > >

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RE: y2k/gary north delusions
by Trei, Peter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sure he did. However, geography was not accomodating, and there is at least one point where a major aqueduct is pumped over a ridge. Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Hettinga [SMTP:rah@shipwright.com] > At 11:07 AM -0500 on 12/7/98, Trei, Peter wrote: > > I suspect that Los Angeles, and other cities > > which have grown recently in arid areas, would > > have a lot more trouble. > > Actually, Mulholland knew what gravity was, as well. :-). > > Cheers, > Robert Hettinga >

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Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Last spam on this subject. The rest is up to you. Cheers, Robert Hettinga --- begin forwarded text X-Sender: jya(a)pop.pipeline.com Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:09:04 -0500 To: cypherpunks(a)EINSTEIN.ssz.com From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> Subject: Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailing-List: cypherpunks(a)ssz.com X-Loop: ssz.com X-Language: English, Russian, German Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Precedence: first-class Reply-To: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> X-Loop: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net In response to John Gilmore's call for a foil to US-Wassenaar restrictions acoming, we've put up a preliminary list of international cryptography sources for mirroring: http://jya.com/crypto-free.htm This is a quick starter-kit and is far from comprehensive. Contributions welcome. Ken Williams offers an impressive (177MB) crypto/stego archive: http://www.genocide2600.com/~tattooman/cryptography/ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Wassenaar and the dumming of New Zealand
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: "Blair Anderson" <blair(a)technologist.com> To: "Robert Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 98 10:13:56 +1300 Reply-To: "Blair Anderson" <blair(a)technologist.com> Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Wassenaar and the dumming of New Zealand See Peter Gutmens contribution at http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/. NZ's very peculiar interpretation of Wassenaar "Export Control Myths and Facts", http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/myths.html. Its a rich source of matter on the subject. Cheers Blair Anderson (Blair(a)technologist.com) International Consultant in Electronic Commerce, Encryption and Electronic Rights Management "Techno Junk and Grey Matter" 50 Wainoni Road, Christchurch, New Zealand phone 64 3 3894065 fax 64 3 3894065 Member Digital Commerce Society of Boston, Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility, ---------------------------- Caught in the Net for 25 years ---------------------------- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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DCSB: Ira Heffan and Mike Schmelzer; "Software Patents" and Digital Commerce
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rah(a)pop.sneaker.net Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:02:59 -0500 To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu, dcsb-announce(a)ai.mit.edu From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: DCSB: Ira Heffan and Mike Schmelzer; "Software Patents" and Digital Commerce Cc: Ira Heffan <heffan(a)tht.com>, Mike Schmelzer <schmelze(a)tht.com>, Roland Mueller <roland(a)secunet.com>, "Jonathan J. Rusch" <rusch1(a)erols.com> Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Ira Heffan and Mike Schmelzer Testa, Hurwitz & Thibeault, LLP "Software Patents" and Digital Commerce Tuesday, January 5th, 1999 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA Although the very idea of patenting software seems to be an anathema to much of the programming community, patents on software continue to stream out of the U.S. Patent Office. Everyone involved in digital commerce applications, which are by definition software-based, probably has heard about recent events: The Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit decided "State Street Bank & Trust Co. v. Signature Financial Group," which explicitly ratified patenting methods of doing business, and a spate of well-publicized patents have issued claiming to cover such concepts as the virtual shopping cart and the reverse auction. As a prerequisite to discussing these recent developments, the first part of our talk will provide an introduction to patents. We will explain what patents are and what they are not, and describe the business goals that a patent can serve. Then we will talk about current events, and attempt to put the _State Street_ case in context. We will present a survey of recently-issued patents (suggestions welcome) related to digital commerce, and conclude with some speculation about current trends, including a novel form of software patent with potentially huge implications. Ira Heffan (heffan(a)tht.com) and Mike Schmelzer (schmelze(a)tht.com) are patent attorneys at Testa, Hurwitz & Thibeault, LLP (http://www.tht.com) We will be presenting our own personal views on this topic, and not the views of Testa, Hurwitz & Thibeault, LLP or its clients. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, January 5, 1999, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $32.50. This price includes lunch, room rental, various A/V hardware, and the speakers' lunch. The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men (and no sneakers or jeans), and "appropriate business attire" (whatever that means), for women. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your lunch if the Club finds you in violation of the dress code. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, January 2nd, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $32.50. Please include your e-mail address, so that we can send you a confirmation If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Upcoming speakers for DCSB are: February Roland Mueller European Privacy Directive March Jonathan Rusch Internet Fraud We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com>. For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . We look forward to seeing you there! Cheers, Robert Hettinga Moderator, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.5 iQEVAwUBNmwX/8UCGwxmWcHhAQFfjgf+IBe01g9XCldZYT+GRDI5ho1sOPgL6W7q zLDQToz0GGM/NZzv44SMTSGpDFx80R1yautvy4xHMnYQy2UnvO2WGsfrjuwSdQte 8qxoRAFkihyP/mi/83As2TwWdp6QhwbjI02hyP6elsdSzsspflwwonOB4I+8E/xX UDsGdQH4AHaWrK1S5XYfJSHSRGOBpk2+cqboiGvbcbC1z0vDRGrnztf8GADoPVC3 6vw4M00f+cgIuoaqqO4ol62Os6D+WPVw2NMop20OD62EGzYO2pyQjboPvBLxyRD7 smLz/4S598uLZF0GX+GO/8rCjAORask/Qt3SFIU2HMMPj9nKIvVtJw== =gz6w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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