December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Voices
by Edwin E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thank you for your thoughtful and honest response. I am interested in the two meanings of "Just". When you say you have blind spots do you mean that you delude yourself in some ways? I would say this is true of all of us, however I would say that by recognizing that you do have shortcomings you are making an effort at improving. I also have many shortcomings and I am trying to improve. I tend to be rather intolerant of stupid people who think they are so superior and that their way is the only way people should live. They will never hesitate to lecture others about their concept of morality, which usually involves the use of weapons and stealing, for the greater good. Such is the morality of the current occupant of the Whitehouse. I tend to lecture people about the value of freedom and peaceful persuasion to get what I want. It is a benifit to many to trade peacefully rather than take what we want by force. This is my concept of what is just. It is my concept of the "Greater Good." I carry this to the extreme that if it comes down to the issue of if my survival can only be secured by the use of force to steal from others thereby taking their life or any part of it, then it is right that I should die. I don't have any children so I cannot say what I would do if it came down to the life of one of mine. I would be very much more tolerant of a mother who was put in this situation. I once, long ago had it explained to me the difference between charity and welfare. Don Tarbell explained that if he were to see a person who was starving. He would help them in whatever way he wanted short of stealing. Welfare on the other hand steals from people who might have contributed voluntarily but then resent being forced to help. Welfare is unjust. I have recently began reading what promises to be a very good book. It is "People of the Lie" by M. Scott Peck M. D. It is about human evil. One of the responses to a quote from the book which I posted was "Ask the antelope if he thinks the lion is evil, perhaps you have this view because no animal considers you a tasty morsel." This is non-responsive in that we are talking about Human Evil and BTW there are many animals which would consider me much more than a "tasty morsel." We have very large aligators here in Florida which often eat small children, however very few people consider them evil by human standards, they are simply doing what they do. The difference is that humans have, by deciding to be civil toward one another, decided that they will not eat each other and eat lower forms of life instead. Perhaps we should ask cows if they think WE are evil. As to freedom of speech. I believe that I have much to gain by listening to what others have to say. This is a rational attitude I think because communication is what separates us from the lower forms of animals. It allows us, with our short lifespans to capitalize on creative ideas which our larger brains made possible. Without communication those ideas would die with us. We would be very little better off than chimpanzies. Perhaps able to fashion tools but unable to show others how to do the same. Each creation would have to be repeated in each individual. But because I can communicate that idea which I have created to another, even though I didn't act upon it, the idea will outlive me and be a benifit to many. The wheel is an invention so old that it is impossible to discover when it was first used. But although it was surely created over and over many times it's spread was accomplished many times faster because the concept could be drawn on the wall of a cave with another very useful invention. This is the vaule of communication and "free speech." Speech and the written word and now the internet. Not many realize that the internet is the most significant advance in technological evolution to have happened in a very long time. Why do I say this? Because it has enhanced communication manyfold. Radio and TV are one- way only and are inferior to the printing press so don''t represent much of an advance. Any attempt by governments to curtail this enhanced speech is, in my opinion evil. Edwin At 05:10 PM 9/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >Am I Just? That is a difficult question to answer because "just" has two >distinctly different definitions, and several nuances in the one definition >which your use of the word implies. I am reasonable--or try to be-- but I >do have my blind spots. Also, I am "just" in that I recognized in your >statement about "voices" the essence of a healthy belief in freedom of >speech with your strongly stated recognition that it is an endangered >freedom when access to the means of distributing speech is limited to a >chosen few who represent a very narrow spectrum of ideas. The Internet has >provided a marvelous solution to that problem. It will be fascinating to >observe how this freedom of access to the means of distributing speech on a >global scale will affect the cultures of all nations whose citizens are >allowed to get "on line" and participate in the exchange of ideas and the >discussion that ensues. > >Elizabeth >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNgBP9UmNf6b56PAtEQL0PQCfdySiIPGgD0YcIhsJofO9MEDS06UAoJK9 z3c+1YDfVnq/RF9L2O1d01ei =3hNv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The AOL Chronicles
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Every time one of these AOL wars start, the AOLers claim that there are a few intelligent people on AOL and that our shunning of them based on statistics is unjustified. We all know what the statistics are, but I don't think anybody has done this for Cypherpunks yet. It has been done other places. This isn't scientific with margins of error and everything, but it's good enough to illustrate the point. I went through every posting originating from AOL which was sent to Cypherpunks between July and September 16th, which is today. I classified postings as either "clueful" or "clueless," with the latter determined by relevance to the list, literacy, quoting, and whether it makes any sense at all. Anything completely stupid is also classed as "clueless." "Clueful" is anything which is even remotely relevant to the list, and includes quoted material if a followup. In addition, if an AOL user sends something clueless to the list then gets flamed, that posting and any subsequent postings in that thread by the original author are counted as clueless unless it's an apology, at which point it isn't counted at all. The flames of said user are counted as defense, not as clueless. Also, if I looked at the message but couldn't tell what the hell the author was talking about because he didn't bother to quote, I classed the posting as clueless. A "*" denotes that the portion I quote is the entire message. A "+" denotes that there was either no quoted material in the message or that it used the "<<>>" style. Keep in mind that messages which are original would not have quoted material, but still have a "+". A "H" means that it contained HTML. I removed all new lines from the quotes to make them more compact. If the posting was large, I quoted only some parts. Clueless posts from AOL: 1) "At least they have TCP/IP protocols now with Win 95 ex: Hiroshima 45, Tsjernobyl 86, Windows 95 (Please, correct my spelling if I misspelled Tsjernobyl)" -- FTPPork(a)aol.com (Porker), 18 Aug 1998, (+) 2) "Ibelive by spooks he ment goverment agents not a racial slur so lay off." -- ILovToHack(a)aol.com, 31 Aug 1998, (+*) 3) "judy -- how about let's go shopping first and then watch the show remotely together????" -- Syniker(a)aol.com, 16 Jul 1998, (+) 4) "please i need some suggestions with topics for my informative speech, or may some infromative speeches already outlined to use it for refrence. thankyou." -- KMHAsfaha(a)aol.com, 17 Jul 1998, (*+) 5) "d" -- Saxgrim(a)aol.com, 18 Jul 1998, (*+) 6) "send me the book (e/mail me back" -- JackeI466(a)aol.com, 19 Jul 1998, (+*) 7) "Hello: My name is Enisa, I'm 13 years old. I write an online e-zine that for teens. We have over 150+ members. We just started a few days ago. We are looking for sponsors to sponsor our contests. These are some of the things we are able to do for you..." -- Craz8Grl(a)aol.com, 20 Jul 1998, (+H) 8) "you got it?" -- LrdWill(a)aol.com, 20 Jul 1998, (+*) 9) "would love to see info re; international credit cards." -- TTrump5646(a)aol.com, 21 Jul 1998, (+*) 10) "i would be very delighted if u gave me a free download for 5.0 realplayer.if u would send it to mike111495(a)aol.com and indoe29c(a)aol.com we will be very honored to receive them. thankx and goodbye" -- Mike111495(a)aol.com, 22 Jul 1998, (+*) 11) [A bunch of asterisks and screaming] "I was recently informed from sorces who choose to remain annomous about a viri that uses macafe's update tool to detect when it is found then it modifys its code and forms a new strain of the virus this pattern continues although it has only been tested through a clone of macafees server to 100 mutations it looks like it could be a big problem I will inform you of any more information i learn about it but for now "THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE"" -- ILovToHack(a)aol.com, 22 Jul 1998, (+*) 12) "WHY CANT I FIND ANY WHITE AMERICAN YOUTH ALBUMS ANYWHERE?" -- koitch(a)aol.com, 23 Jul 1998, (+*) 13) [Subject: Pipe bombs r better] "they rule!" -- Ant6menace(a)aol.com, 23 Jul 1998, (+*) 14) "Actually, AOL, along with being an acceptable ISP with built in authentication of sender, has an easily used Mail interface. (Even if it doesn't exactly follow the standards.)" -- MMerlynne(a)aol.com, 24 Jul 1998, (+*), in response to #12. 15) "HELLO, IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET MY HANDS ON S BOOK THAT SHOWS THE REAL BASEBALL PEOPLE AUTOGRAPHS AND THE FAKES SO I KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR??? PLEASE REPLY" -- AT666IND(a)aol.com, 25 Jul 1998, (+*) 16) "I am trying to find my brother, "Allen Thomas Taylor" I am not sure what year he was born but I think it was l922, l923. We have the same Father[...]" -- CEr1942929(a)aol.com (Christine Ernest), 26 Jul 1998, (+) 17) "Hey: Who made up the term "Politically Correct"? Not Christians and not Republicans. Your side did. How does wanting a smaller government, less taxes, the freedom to CHOOSE to pray in schools, the rights of the un-born( of[...] CHOKE ON IT YOU HYPOCRITE" -- JBrown4330(a)aol.com, 27 Jul 1998, (+) 18) "do you have music vinyl stickers , if so , could i get them wholesale?" -- Babybee390(a)aol.com, 29 Jul 1998, (+*) 19) "I'm looking for Lynrd Skynrds Freebird on a window sticker for my car. Do you know where I can find one?" -- Vox9869(a)aol.com, 28 Jul 1998, (+*) 20) "More!" -- CLCTCHR(a)aol.com, 29 Jul 1998, (+*) 21) "Can you do a 5 color process? 4x4". Price on 500,1000,1500" -- ELarson100(a)aol.com, 4 Aug 1998, (+*) 22) [Subject: whut up] "looking for a place to have some Band stickers made, can you email me a phone number so we can check out some prices.....thanks TIm" -- FRETELUCO(a)aol.com, 6 Aug 1998, (+*) 23) "Could you please send me the Anarchy Cookbook.....I really want it and I cant find it anywhere! Thanx for your help.. Mike Jonhson" -- XoVoX123(a)aol.com, 9 Aug 1998, (+*) 24) [Subject: .] "" (Yes, nothing.) -- EpicTeU(a)aol.com, 9 Aug 1998, (+*) 25) "Come on thake it easy on the guy at least he aint on AOL or somthing stuped." -- ILovToHack(a)aol.com, 13 Aug 1998, () 26) [Subject: Subject: LOL. Made me look] "" (Yes, nothing.) -- Seabiner(a)aol.com, 14 Aug 1998, (+*) 27) "about: Hello, I am trying to start a VB 32 bit code bank you can send any code you want to exept codes for aol addons... . 1nce a week most likely on fridays I will check the hotmail account specifyed below and I will take all the codes and put them in a txt file and send it to everyone who sent a code in since I am [...] To send Codes for the ML Send E-mail to VB32Coders(a)Hotmail.com In the sbject field write anonymous / Code topic if you don't want your E-Mail address to show up when I send the Codes out or else just type the topic of the code you are sending.. ." -- EpicTeU(a)aol.com, 14 Aug 1998, (+) 28) "Because the American Justice system is screwed up royally... for instance - Kevin Mitnick... www.KevinMitnick.com" -- FTPPork(a)aol.com, 17 Aug 1998, (+*) 29) "I am interested in travel between Knoxville, Tennessee and Des Moines, Iowa. I would also be interested in Nashville, Tennessee and Des Moines, Iowa or Atlanta and Des Moines, Iowa. Please notify me of specials in these markets. Thanks, Linda Tisue ltisue(a)aol.com" -- Ltisue(a)aol.com, 18 Aug 1998, (+*) 30) "I am looking to distribute a product and I was wondering if you can tell me how to get mass e mail addresses. I look forward to hearing from you." -- LHilley488(a)aol.com, 19 Aug 1998, (+*) 31) "Send me info on how to make a pipe bomb. HoppyF1315" -- HOPPYF1215(a)aol.com (Hoppy Head), 19 Aug 1998, (+*) 32) "I take that statement as an insult, and it really isn't true about all of us AOL users. [...] Actually, some of us know what real hacking is...[...] Anyway, try not to stereotype people so much, because, with the Advent of 32 bit AOL, we can actually use all of the TCP/IP protocols, etc..." -- FTPPork(a)aol.com, 20 Aug 1998, (+) 33) [Subject: anarchy cookbook] "Is any one home?" -- Spazherp(a)aol.com, 21 Aug 1998, (+*) 34) "I did not say anywhere that 32 bit would fix problems of cluelessness - or ignorance in your case. I said, it is a little better because we can now use TCP/IP protocols. Did I ever say that the people on AOL were smarter because of it? Well, let's go read over that post - - - nope... I didn't. I think some people should read a little more carefully, or just don't read at all." -- FTPPork(a)aol.com, 22 Aug 1998, (+*) (As I recall, this one was in response to a set of flames which cited his assertion in #32.) 35) [Subject: can you help me make virses please tell me who to make one step by step] "I need help i want to know how to make a virses in c\c++ please help me." -- VXF32(a)aol.com, 21 Aug 1998, (+*) 36) "Tell me how to get tons of free stuff! Thank You ." -- RAGOD5597(a)aol.com, 21 Aug 1998, (+*) 37) "Here we go again" -- FTPPork(a)aol.com, 22 Aug 1998, (+*) 38) [Subject: tell me] "hola and good tidings send some info on spooks please i will be grateful" -- RyanFord(a)aol.com, 29 Aug 1998, (+*) 39) [Subject: h] "how did u do it" -- CRBREW9802(a)aol.com, 7 Sep 1998, (+*) 40) " HaCkaZ OnlY Da EliTeHelLO YaLL DiS is Da MaDD AAOOLL HaCka Ima startin a GreWp fOR HaCs Only So In OthA WerDS yA gOttA KnOw The WAreZ anD HoW toO UsEr FaTe AnD AOL So MaIl Or Im Me FoR Da TeTaIls If YeR LeeTo K Pe@CE FrOmE The LeeTs HacKJeFFrO)" -- Jrjeffro(a)aol.com, 9 Sep 1998, (+*) 41) Message quoting the above, which wasn't originally sent to the list, in "<< >>" style, adding only: "What the hell is this? No wonder why AOLers have a bad name Im going to Flame this guy" -- EpicTeU(a)aol.com, 10 Sep 1998, (+*) 42) "Preach on brother =)" -- AIMSX(a)aol.com, 15 Sep 1998, (+*), copied to 25 other recipients, plus the list. 43) "I read that book" -- AIMSX(a)aol.com, 15 Sep 1998, (+*) 44) "All Creatures Great and Small - that one... =) I also read an Aasimov a while back in fifth grade - unfortunately, I can't remember even the name... I need to pick some of his books up again... One book I can remember reading since 5th grade (and every summer thereafter) is "IT" by Stephen King - one of his few really good books. I have read it 8 times since. I greatly recommend it =)" -- AIMSX(a)aol.com, 15 Sep 1998, (+*) 45) "We are sending you an invitation to be one of our special guests this year, big harry ass lawsuits are always of interest. Bring a friend if you like, but I have to warn you, Liberatarians are not welcome. This years menu includes red meat and poptarts. Clothing is optional. Sincerely, Beth" -- BUFFU(a)aol.com, 17 Jul 1998, (+*) 46) "That's why I suggest listening to I Robot by Alan Parson's Project." -- StanSqncrs(a)aol.com, 18 Jul 1998, (+*) 47) "If sombody offers you some FedGov, just say NO!" -- Nilsphone(a)aol.com, 23 Jul 1998, (), copied to 32 recipients, including the list. Note the "+" ratings on the below. (Semi-)Clueful postings from AOL: 1) "It's the easy way out (and I mean DOWN and OUT)! I mean, if we're simply going to change them out everytime, why bother to figure out which ones a going to change them out everytime, why bother to figure out which ones aren't evil/stupid (I mean, out of all those politicians, there's got to be 1 or 2! I think. ;-) )? See, if we just simply change politicians at every chance, then we throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. The simple solutions aren't always the best ones." -- StanSqncrs(a)aol.com, 17 Jul 1998, (+*) 2) "ROFLOL! What's coincidental? The latest tune that my band, Nobody's Business (in which I play bass and sing) has learned, is Cheap Sunglasses by ZZ Top. If it ain't coinicidence, I got a 'scarecrow' in my band. " -- StanSqncrs(a)aol.com, 18 Jul 1998, (+) 3) [Subject: Subject: Nomination of Lyndon Larouche to the UNITED NATIONS OF THE FRINGE] "Hey Punks, As a United Nations OF the Cyber Fringe Member, I am asking for your input on giving Lyndon a nomination. So far his war crimes only include[...]" -- BUFFU(a)aol.com, 20 Jul 1998, (+) 4) "If you would like information about tempest monitors, computers, printers or secure fax machines, please contact me." -- CompSec01(a)aol.com (Karen Azoff), 22 Jul 1998, (+) I gave up at this point because the clueless list just kept growing. The ratio isn't encouraging, especially since I was being generous with what is considered a "clueful post."

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Re: It's finally over (was Re: Explanation of Harald Fragner and cyph
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > And thanks, but we have enough magazine subscriptions already. :) > > > > Mark > > > > Bart Troyan wrote: > > > > > > The real-world analogy would be for me and all my friends to get a bunch of > > > magazines, rip out all those postage-paid subscription flaps, and fill out > > > your name and address on each of them, then you'd have unwanted trial > > > subscriptions to lots and lots of magazines. > > > > > > hmmmm... > > > MacroView > > > 90 William Street, Suite 301 > > > New York, NY 10038 > > > > > > Wouldn't that suck? Can you imagine if 1000 people did that to you all the > > > same day? (this is *not* a threat, just an example). You'd have bags and > > > bags of zines and bills coming in daily... This sounds like a plan. In fact, we can do this for all spam domains. Interested, Tim? Registrant: MacroView (SIXDEGREES-DOM) 90 William Street, Suite 301 New York, NY 10038 Domain Name: SIXDEGREES.COM

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RE: It's finally over (was Re: Explanation of Harald Fragner and cypherpunks)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes, but you can't expect the masses sign all their email, not yet anyway, so you cannot require cryptographic authentication for mailing lists and services subscriptions (esp. for-profit services that would not like to turn away anyone). That is what you are talking about isn't it? Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: William H. Geiger III [mailto:whgiii@invweb.net] > >What we really need is an automated system that could > >authorize/deny an address prior to the code/password > >being sent that would keep track of distribution list > >addresses and such. > > >Perhaps I'll create one myself soon. > > PGP, Digital signatures, CA's, Authentication, ... This *is* a crypto > related group isn't it? > > How does Thwart, Verisign, or the other CA's handle > authentication of an e-mail address in there low level cert -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNgBgOxU5HlNX4dnFEQKQSACghI+z9TK3uXdAbUQMfX2e+ksuk38An3s9 aV7TVzna/+S+cxFXrOmzoxOW =n91J -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Caligula, My Father, Bill Clinton
by Lazlo Toth 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think people are finding it much easier to relate to your Mr. Clinton lately... -Lazlo ------------- Caligula, My Father, Bill Clinton by Sam Lipsyte >From Nerve Magazine http://www.nervemag.com/Lipsyte/caligula/ >... > Of course you want her breasts first. I want her breasts first. I >want her in the blue-black dress and I want her breasts first. > I am the President. I've been doing this shit all my life, and I want >her breasts first. I can tell what they will look like already, round and >full and pale with a tiny beautiful vein like a quiet river running to >her heart. I want to squeeze and suckle. That's all I ever really ever >ever wanted. The suits, the speeches, sure, the airplane, sure, but those >fuckers are always after me for more and more of me and this is all I ever >wanted. > I want her ass and her belly and her hair and her lips. > Those fuckers. >...

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Re: Your new password
by Lazlo Toth 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I predict that naughty cypherpunks will use these passwords to repeatedly add the following names to "Schlomo"'s list of contacts: mark(a)sixdegrees.com webmaster(a)sixdegrees.com postmaster(a)sixdegrees.com issues(a)sixdegrees.com If that doesn't work, really naughty cypherpunks may also add the addresses of prominent journalists. Of course, those things would be WRONG. -Lazlo >Name: Schlomo CyberPoopy >sixdegrees password: linkcusp > >Congratulations Schlomo. You're well on your way to >becoming a full sixdegrees(tm) member. Here is your member >password: linkcusp. Use it to log-in on the home page >at the sixdegrees Web site, http://www.sixdegrees.com. >We'll ask you for a little more information to complete your >registration, and then you'll be ready to start networking. > >It's important that you return to the site and log-in. Your >membership will not be complete until you do so. > >Once you've successfully logged in with your password, just go >to Personal Profile and you'll be able to choose your own >password. > >Thanks for becoming part of sixdegrees. We're looking forward >to seeing you at the site. > >==================================================================== >PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer. >If you believe you received this e-mail in error, and it was not your >intention to become a sixdegrees member, or if you have any problems, >questions or requests send an e-mail to issues(a)sixdegrees.com >and someone will get back to you as soon as possible. >==================================================================== > > >E.SI.BAM.1

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bill soper & brains
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wednesday 9/16/98 6:56 PM Underwood More than 40 years ago Armand [bunky] Larive, I, and others took history of philosphy from bill soper. Laivre is an an episcopal priest in Pullman now. http://www.web-x.com/wazzu.net/restaurantguide/index.html I don't see sopher listed in the faculty directory. http://people.whitman.edu/faculty_homepages.html Sopher invited an attractive articulate lady from the B'Hai religion to lecture our class. The LADY put forth an argument on why we should all believe. In the next lecture Soper, as a philospher should, went into every detail why her arguments were falacious. The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention. Francis Bacon I think Lairve was present at the lecture and analysis. I PROFITED FROM YOUR differential equations AND elementary mathematics from an advanced standpoint courses. But this has been about 40 years ago. I still have the books used in your classes. And my education at Whitman. Then, too, I profited from Zirakzaheh's higher alegraba course in the summer of 1958 at U Colorado. Let's hope this gets settled before someone gets NUKED. We know these guys. http://www.wpiran.org/ http://www.taliban.com/ http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/impact/namir/namirm.html And we SPECULATE that they are NOT HAPPY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. bill ---- Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:50:15 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: john_ashcroft(a)ashcroft.senate.gov Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:48:32 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: senator_leahy(a)leahy.senate.gov, conrad_burns(a)burns.senate.gov Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:46:11 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: john_kerry(a)kerry.senate.gov Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:44:26 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: info(a)kyl.senate.gov CC: senator_mccain(a)mccain.senate.gov, grassley <chuck_grassley(a)grassley.senate.gov>, cynthia mckinney <CYMCK(a)mail.house.gov> Kyl I am reading http://www.cdt.org/crypto/jonkyl.html Please help get this MESS settled. bill ---- Subject: crypto nonsense Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:38:25 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: abd(a)cdt.org, info(a)cdt.org, webmaster(a)cdt.org CHRYSLER AWARD NOMINATION STATEMENT 9/16/9812:50 PM American forefathers drafted the Constitution and laws of our country shortly after having suffered injustice. Fresh in their minds were strategies used by their oppressors. Writers of the Constitution and laws anticipated ways to subvert our system. Therefore, our forefathers designed safeguards into our legal system to prevent future injustice. But these safeguards DONT appear to be working today. Morales and Payne designed a strategy using the National Security Agency [NSA], Sandia National Laboratories, the US Federal Court System, and publication on Internet to illustrate how the US government has deteriorated. Arthur Morales WAS a supervisor at Sandia Labs in 1991. Morales and Manuel Garcia organized a class action lawsuit on behalf of Hispanics against Sandia. Sandia settled Morales and Garcias lawsuit. Department of Energy acknowledged from Freedom of Information Act [FOIA] requests that as of December 31, 1995 Morales cost Sandia $567,137 in legal fees. Sandia retaliated against Morales. Morales sued Sandia in New Mexico District Court. Morales lost. William Payne wrote a technical report describing deficiencies in NSAs cryptographic algorithms http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm. Sandia transferred Payne to break electronics locks for the Federal Bureau of Invesitgation [FBI]. Payne refused to do illegal work. http://www.jya.com/whp1.htm. Payne sued Sandia in Federal Court. Payne lost and court records were sealed. FBI agent Bernardo Perez led a class action lawsuit against the FBI for race discrimination against Hispanic FBI agents. http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/1995/w951482w.txt Perez won. Perez was assigned agent-in-charge of the FBI in Albuquerque for settlement. But Perez lost money. Morales and Payne learned that the FBI extorted an inexpensive settlement from Perez by telling Perez that the FBI was GUARANTEED to win on appeal in Federal Circuit. With Perez and others knowledge of circuit courts, Morales and Payne appealed their respective cases pro se to the Tenth Circuit. In Paynes case Sandia failed to submit its Brief of the Appellees on time. Then falsified its certificate of service when Payne filed to remand. In Morales case Sandia submitted a deficient Brief of the Appellees which was returned but failed to serve Morales with its brief. Payne and Morales both won at the Tenth Circuit on technicalities. But judges awarded the wins to Sandia. All attempts by Morales and Payne to get copies of the docket for their respective Tenth Circuit cases failed. Therefore, Morales and Payne hatched a plan to get the dockets and expose government misconduct. Payne previously made FOIA requests to NSA for copies of messages and translations given to Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war, copies of Libyan messages intercepted by NSA, and NSA cryptographic algorithms Payne thought contained deficiencies. Morales and Payne sued NSA pro se for the documents. Lawsuit progress was broadcast on Internet through e- mail and http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm And Payne wrote Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms criticizing the US governments crypto contest. http://zolatimes.com. Morales and Payne FINALLY got copies of dockets from their respective cases from the Tenth Circuit using Internet as an innovative tool. /\/\/\/\/\/\ Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:08:39 -0700 From: The Electronic Zola <ezola(a)lfcity.com> To: biru Subject: Re: Interested LATER? Hi Biru, > In > > Non-random Cryptographic Keys Defeat Key Escrow > > I will introduce, by example, readers to deBruijn diagrams and > statistical tests. > Both will be related to random number and pseudorandom number > generation. Sounds good to us. We know mathematics scares our readers. But some of our editors like it just fine. And we don't care much for the Great Satan around here. Cheers, Z --- I am not reading e-mail.

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RE: Democracy... (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> So if a Texas DPS officer pulled over a car from Louisiana he couldn't > hassle them in regards to the pot they had in the car. Even > though it was illegal for Texas citizens. Wow, you learn something new every day. I had always thought state laws applied to anyone in the states borders, not solely to those people declared citizens of that state. In fact if this were the case, why then would it be necessary for the recently bill/proposal allowing people with a valid concealed weapons permit in the jurisdiction in which they work to carry that home (different jurisdiction). In fact wouldn't he need a permit in his home jurisdiction and NOT his work jurisdiction? How could he get a concealed weapons permit in his work jurisdiction if the laws can't apply to him? Surely there is something amiss. Matt

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17 Dec '03

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Bee in the bonnet: A few days before CJ's arrest warrant was issued >the DoJ put out a study on the "Shared Traits of Potential Assassins:" >The traits: * To achieve notoriety or fame. * To bring attention to a personal or public problem. * To avenge a perceived wrong; to retaliate for a perceived injury. * To end personal pain; to be removed from society; to be killed. * To save the country or the world; to fix a world problem. * To develop a special relationship with the target. * To make money. * To bring about political change. How does this differ from the motives of your ordinary politician? Post-revolution, will there be caliber limitations when hunting them?

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