December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: DNA (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: DNA > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:34:07 -0700 > > But what about identical sib's. They all > > have exactly the same DNA! Actualy identical twins will only share about 50% of their DNA. They get 50% from each parent randomly. This means that only about 25% of the DNA will match their sibling from either parent. > Or a clone ;). This of course ignores transcription errors, environment issues, etc. It is possible that even a clone would have protein discrepencies which trace back to DNA strands that end up different than the original source organism. As the organism develops and ages these issues can become quite important. This aspect of DNA matching has gotten the short shift for sure. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Two Jims, Werner and Matt redefine socialism for their own en ds
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >> something like Belloc and Chesterton's "distributivism". > > > Distribute what and created by whom? > > Every libertarian or cypherpunk ought to have read "The Servile State" > by Hilaire Belloc. ...and in that context what is being distributed is > *land*, as private property to be lived on, farmed and passed on to > children. If you believe there is a single valid concept in that whole populist/agrarian bullshit I can shoot it down, otherwise it is not worth my time. Matt

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Tim May Investigations
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Gary Burnore vs. Earth (Was: Value of Annon. Remailers)
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> > > Information Security <guy(a)panix.com> wrote: > > > Let us know when you have an original thought. > > Ad hominem often comes in handy... You are too touchy to be on the Internet, leave now! ;-) > > > From: Missouri FreeNet Administration <sysadmin(a)mfn.org> > > > > > > Obviously, as defenders of this man's right to post material offensive > > > to Burnore, we too came under attack. > > > > One man's attack is another's defense. > > I'll have to remember that one. Some defense lawyers in Wyoming > might want to use it in their clients' trial for their "defense" > against that gay student. You are equating speech to physical violence. Not a good way to defend anonymizers. > Now about Gary Burnore's "defense" against the underaged daughter of > his girlfriend... Like, why should cypherpunks care? You said it's not causing you a connectivity problem. You are boring everyone for no known reason. > > > The point here is that what little survives about this lunatic child > > > molester (he has even successfully had his North Carolina Sex Offender record > > > removed!),... > > > > Gee, why don't you ask North Carolina why, in writing? > > Irrelevant. The North Carolina website of registered sex offenders > was only the vehicle by which the truth about Gary Burnore's > existing conviction in California became known. Depublishing it in > NC on some technicality... What technicality? > which sentenced him to probation and required him to register > as a sex offender. I wonder if Pee Wee Herman had to register. > Perhaps the original whistleblower's e-mailed warnings led > or contributed to Burnore's arrest, and to the resulting > psychiatric treatment which may have protected future > potential victims. Just a bunch of nutters flaming each other endlessly. ---guy

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Re: Use encryption to foil spooks' data harvesting, says US statedept
by Richard.Bragg＠ssa.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

and how about some innocuous words/phases that might cause apoplexy i talk to the pillow (PLO) every night i was there doing ... with ..., i wish. <insert name> was dead on his feet .... it goes on. I like the encryption bit. Season your conversations with encryption and they won't find the wood for the trees. Who actually needs encryption in this case. Everyone can just put the word encryption into every conversation every other sentence. Miles of recording tape, (bytes of memory, whatever) just stuffed with inane conversation with a few select phrases. leif(a)imho.net on 15/10/98 14:20:26 To: Richard Bragg/UK/SSA_EUROPE cc: Subject: Re: Use encryption to foil spooks' data harvesting, says US statedept GOOD that did not bounce... Over the last few days my imho mail bounced.. mostly from some DNS, and mail server problems since I made some changes... (at my office who is at this point my mail hub... hehe it is fun to be the SA) OK words or phrases that can be used. Death Kill Destroy ENCRYPTION President Vice President First Lady Bomb dead maim hate if used correctly missile ( I am sure it is in the list if used correctly ) Nerve gas lets see should I go on or do you have the idea.. Here is a hint... I was talking with a friend one day a computer geek himself and we mentioned the word encryption and started talking about said stuff... Well after that word was aid we here a clicking type noise in the background??? HUMMMMMMMMM we change the subject and after some time talking it goes away we say encryption and it came back.... HUMMMMMMMM Go figure. - lhe

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Art Bell
by Edwin E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is Art Bell related to Jim Bell? The following was sent via LibertyWire: Bell Tolls No More Wired News Report http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/15588.html http://www.artbell.com/artquits.html 2:25 p.m. 13.Oct.98.PDT Art Bell, the popular host of the late-night radio show "Coast To Coast AM" is turning off his microphone indefinitely. In Bell's Tuesday morning show he told listeners, "... a threatening terrible event tell you about. Because of that event, and a succession of other events, what you're listening to right now, is my final broadcast on the air."

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I saw the craziest thing last night...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wanted to share with you an experience perhaps worth contemplating... Around 8pm or so last nite I got hungry and the dogs looked at me with those big brown "Help me" eyes and off we trundle to the golden arches. I drive over the 5-6 blocks to N. Lamar and head north. It's about 2 miles or so max. As I get to Mickey Dee's I realize that there is a street bum in the road. There is S. bound traffic and he's about halfway across when I notice the cars are getting pretty close. Well about this time a vehicle with no lights (yet it's after dark) but yellow running lights (I believe that's illegal in this state) begins to continously sound its horn as it approaches the crosser. No apparent attempt to slow down or change lanes was made. The car ended up missing the guy by less than 3 ft. What was really a riot was it was an Austin Police car. Unfortunately I don't read well backward at night so I didn't get a vehicle id or a license so this qualifies as nothing more than another net rumor. It's pretty damn bad when the police resort to assault with a motor vehicle to control street people. Can the recent Supreme Court ruling allowing police to kill you in a high-speed chase as an innocent bystander to protect you from the perp with complete immunity be extended to pursuit of an unrepentant donut? When I was a kid it used to say "To Protect and Serve", not "To Protect or Kill". Isn't the point of a public servant to *serve* the people in a decent, respectful manner? If taken as a given then it's clear that public safety *always* takes precedence over 'catch the crook'. It's better to let the perp run through a neighborhood he's already going to go through and spend resources getting people into their homes and out of the way than it is to prove what a dairing-do bunch of local boys can do catching outlaws, but killing some of the local folks in the process. I appreciate the potential for hostages (even entire neighborhoods) but please explain how this ruling changes those instances in any way? Perhaps we need an amendment that provides a proviso on the rulings of the Supreme Court. Instead of these sorts of dicta having the weight of law, which it shouldn't have since it's not legislative, they should be required to be handed over to Congress for resolution via the normal law making process. This would limit the Supreme Court to interpretations of existing law (per the 9th & 10th Amendment). We definitely need an end to the post-Vietnam, post-Cold War testosterone rush we're living in now. Like it or not, the more initialy confrontational the government gets the more violence it will beget. And trying to justify those strategies by claiming a responce to a rise in violence only begs the question. Perhaps this realization is at least one reason that the equality of the federal level, state level, and individual civil rights has become so critical and so ignored. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Limited Impeachment Probes...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: and no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This would seem to indicate that the only issue a federal prosecutor needs to be interested in is proving *some* illegal act took place. Not what that act may have actualy been, though describing it may be required. Once that is resolved the other legal aspects fall to the attorney general or district attorney in the appropriate region. With that in mind, its pretty interesting at all the money and effort that's been spent on nothing that is materialy relevant to the issue at hand. Though it is interesting that the issue of profit (running a business?) comes up in the consequences. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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RE: DNA (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monozygotic [maternal] twins do have the same DNA. Hence they are identical. Genetically identical that is, there are non-genetic variations. Dizygotic [fraternal] twins do not. Fraternal twins can be visually nearly identical, but they are not genetically identical. Clones on the otherhand and have identical nuclear DNA, but are not necessarily identical because some early development processes rely on maternal genome material and not nuclear DNA, and depending on the cloning process they may have different mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Choate [mailto:ravage@einstein.ssz.com] > > > But what about identical sib's. They all > > > have exactly the same DNA! > > Actualy identical twins will only share about 50% of their > DNA. They get 50% from each parent randomly. This means > that only about 25% of the DNA will match their sibling > from either parent. > > > Or a clone ;). > > This of course ignores transcription errors, environment > issues, etc. It is possible that even a clone would > have protein discrepencies which trace back to DNA strands > that end up different than the original source organism. As > the organism develops and ages these issues can become quite > important. This aspect of DNA matching has gotten the short > shift for sure.

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