December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Ordered to be celibate?
by Rain Dog 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Judge Orders Teen To Be Celibate CAMBRIDGE, Ill. (AP) -- A teen-ager who pleaded guilty to stealing handguns must remain celibate for 2 1/2 years unless he gets married, a judge said. Brandon Stevens, 17, was sentenced Wednesday to 30 months probation, 180 days in jail and a $2,000 fine. Henry County Judge Clarke Barnes said Stevens won't have to serve jail time if he completes treatment at a halfway house and meets conditions that include the celibacy rule. ``Certainly he's got no business having sexual relations with people to whom he's not married,'' Barnes said. Prosecutor Ted Hamer said the requirement was based on the judge's learning in court that Stevens was sexually active, not because of any sexually related charges. The American Civil Liberties Union said Stevens' sex life is none of the judge's business. And it's not clear how to enforce Barnes' order. ``It's sort of a self-policing type of order,'' Hamer said. ``Nobody's going to be spying on him or looking in windows. I think the judge just hopes he'll abide by the order.'' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "Brown, R Ken" <brownrk1(a)texaco.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 05:28:08 -0500 > I don't believe there are that many natural monopolies Where there *are* > natural monopolies it is because the entry cost is higher than any likely > profit. There are some additional issues involved other than start-up cost. Such things as market saturation and information hording. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 02:26:21 -0700 > > In what way are the resulting markets different from > > either the producers or consumers view? > > Views on intellectual property and the obvious marketplace changes due > to an IP or lack of IP framework would be the major difference IMHO. I Explain further, from your description of the differences there are no fundamental mentionings or views of intellectual property. As a matter of fact the specific role of the individual is never even mentioned in either definition. It's almost like there is something poping out of thin air... > > Explain further what you mean by abolition of force is a > > prerequisite please. > > Basically no person (or entity) can use force (or its derivatives) > against another person (or entity). Your long history of criminal law, > except stripped of all victimless crimes. So people don't have a right to self-defence? I agree consensual crimes are not crimes. > > And what specificaly do you mean by proper role of government? > > "What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the individual > right to lawful defense. Is it? Or is it simply another sort of coercion to cooperate with the collective? Is it not actualy the embodyment of ideals, an attempt at utopia if you will? > Each of us has a natural right--from God--to defend his person, his > liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of > life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent > upon the preservation of the other two. For what are our faculties but > the extension of our individuality? And what is property but an > extension of our faculties? I'm interesting to see how you reconcile the belief nobody has a right to use force yet has a right to defend their life. By facluty I assume you mean our emotional and psychological makeup coupled with our sensory record of them. I'd say that such issues are not a facet of individualism but rather a characteristic of life itself. As to property, it is a consequence of our biology, if that is a consequence of our faculties, and not visa versa, I'd doubt. > If every person has the right to defend -- even by force -- his person, > his liberty, and his property, then it follows that a group of men have > the right to organize and support a common force to protect these rights No it doesn't. You must first prove that a group of individuals have some right that as individuals they don't have. For one thing, even in your definition, rights are a fundamental aspect of birth as an individual. Something I've yet to see. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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IP: Clear and present danger: FIGHT AGAINST NATIONAL ID CARD (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:42:38 +0200 > From: "Albert P. Franco, II" <apf2(a)apf2.com> > Subject: IP: Clear and present danger: FIGHT AGAINST NATIONAL ID CARD > (fwd) > I think the original message speaks of executive, legislative, and judicial > branches. As defined by the constitution this is, in fact, the federal > government. > As a matter of practice, most if not all, of the states are > also divided this way. Article X which you quoted supports the tacit > understanding that We, the people, are not actually THE government. Really? Please expound... We, the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ARTICLE IX. The enumeration of the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. ARTICLE X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- It in fact supports NO such interpretation unless you take it out of context and alone. Much like trying to determine the ecology of a valley by examinging a single fish... In fact what it does say is that the Constitution was implimented by the people and not by a government *granting* rights and privileges. It futher states that it does not limit the rights or privileges of the people (note it doesn't mention federal or state govts.) futher backing up that we the people are implimenting this and not the other way around. Finaly it specificaly states that the order of resolution for any issue is to see if it's specificaly given to the federal govt., if not (and it's not prohibited), then to the states (to resolve via their own representative systems), and finaly if not covered by those two documents (the US Constitution and the individual state constitution) then it is retained by the people. So we find that in fact we the people *are* the initial and final authority. The bottem line is that *the government of the United States* consists of three parties, the federal system, the state, and the people. That is the government of this country and not some figmented heirarchy that has zero basis for support. The reason the federal is broken into 3 seperate sections is so that there is a measure of conflict and confrontation involved. *THE* basis for a working democracy is the limited use of cooperation. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Court considers cooking cookies' book - THE REGISTER
by Stu Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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http://jya.com/ECHELON-GO.htm
by interception 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: interception <interception(a)ii-mel.com> Subject: http://jya.com/ECHELON-GO.htm french centers of electronic interceptions are in: 1 - Agde 2 - Rohrbach-les-Bitch 3 - Domme 4 - Mützig, 5 - Alluets-Feucherolles 6 - Celar (Army) (fax, scramble,...): 950 people in Rennes 7 - Security Squad and electronic war (4 squads) in Metz 8 - Plateau d'Albion: 150 people 9 - Boat: Cargo le Bercy 10- Bouar (Centrafrican Républic) 11- Solenzara (Corse) 12- St-Barthélemy (Guadeloupe) 13- Réunion 14- Mayotte, Djibouti 15- Kourou Spatial Base (Guyane) 16- United Arab Emirates 17- New Caledonia In spite of Echelon http://www.ii-mel.com/interception/echelongb.htm french electronic interception are practiced in the USA Masson http://www.ii-mel.com/interception

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by KCzzzzz＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 11:37:23 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > At 12:30 AM 10/1/98 -0700, Matthew James Gering wrote: > > Regulation includes much more than licensing and > > registration. Try hiring a couple employees, paying > > freelance individuals, setup office space, get yourself a > > company car and do your fed income taxes. Lightly regulated > > my ass. If they enforced every word of every code strongly > > and literally it would be nearly impossible to conduct > > business. > > To the best of my observation, every single small business is > operating illegally. The situation differs from Russia only > in degree, not in kind Prove it. List he specific rules, regulations, etc. that you believe every small business is breaking.... Put up or shut up. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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