December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Questions for Magaziner?
by John Kelsey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net; cryptography(a)c2.net; dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu > Subject: Questions for Magaziner? > Date: Thursday, September 17, 1998 11:38 PM > Anyway, In light of more recent crypto-shenanigans from Billary, and the > fact that this thing's a small crowd, I figured I'd ask if anyone on these > lists had a question they wanted me to ask him. Here's a question I would like to ask, in a rather rough form: There has been a lot of talk by the administration about ``striking a balance'' between citizens privacy concerns and the interests of police and spy agencies. Can you give us some concrete examples of what tradeoffs between these two you consider reasonable? For example, what benefits to society would be worth making all private communications available to the FBI or NSA? Would it be a worthwhile trade to the citizens of the US if we could double the street price of cocaine, at the cost of essentially all phone calls being recorded and subject to monitoring at any time? How about cutting the (already barely measureable) risk of dying from a terrorist act in half? My complaint with their rhetoric is that they always talk about these tradeoffs and about striking a balance, but we never seem to see any balance being struck. Striking a balance means acknowledging that some societal benefits aren't worth giving up our privacy. Will doubling the street price of cocaine improve my life much? It sure doesn't look like it will to me. How about cutting my risk of dying from a terrorist act? This is already much smaller than my risk of dying in a plane crash; how much lower does it need to go? (There is also the issue of whether any claimed set of benefits can be accomplished by key-escrow, or for that matter by putting a videocamera and microphone in every home. But that's a different issue.) Of course, there are a bunch of problems with trying to analyze violating fundamental individual rights for some perceived social benefit, but I don't think their basic argument can work, even if we grant that this sort of tradeoff is a legitimate thing for governments to do. The tradeoffs we've seen offered have not given much weight to citizens' desires for privacy. Consider the Clipper chip, the continued use of export controls to slow down deployment of encryption in the US and worldwide, the FBI's CALEA demands (including their demand a few years ago to be able to listen in on 1/2% of all ongoing calls in urban areas), etc. We haven't seen any attempt to strike a balance so far, just an attempt to claim some bureaucratic turf. > Cheers, > Bob Hettinga --John Kelsey, kelsey(a)counterpane.com / kelsey(a)plnet.net NEW PGP print = 5D91 6F57 2646 83F9 6D7F 9C87 886D 88AF

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Re: Questions for Magaziner?
by Steve Bellovin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It is, of course, worth remembering that Magaziner is pretty much on our side on this issue. He just hasn't been able to win over Freeh, Reno, Clinton, etc.

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Hacker D00D
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Hacker D00D
by I.A. Eaglemail 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

DENY >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Fri Sep 18 12:23:32 1998 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA22376 for cypherpunks-unedited-outgoing; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:16:52 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from neptune.sixdegrees.com (neptune.sixdegrees.com [206.41.12.34]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA22371 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:16:49 -0700 (PDT) >Message-Id: <199809181916.MAA22371(a)toad.com> >Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:15:42 -0500 >From: "sixdegrees"<5j0g50e0(a)auto.sixdegrees.com> >To: "Joe Cyberspanker"<cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Subject: Hacker D00D >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Precedence: bulk > >You've been listed again. Looks like this whole sixdegrees >thing is working. Your networking potential is growing by the >second. Hacker D00D listed you as "Mother." > >Please let us know if you are in fact Hacker's Mother: > >==================================================================== >TO RESPOND: > >FIRST, click your mail program's reply button. > >SECOND, in the reply e-mail that opens, on the first line of >the message body, type only the word CONFIRM or the word DENY. > >THEN CLICK SEND. > >If you prefer, you can take care of this contact confirmation >by visiting the site at http://www.sixdegrees.com and going to >MY CONTACTS after logging in on the home page. You can also list >new contacts there. > >We look forward to hearing from you. > >==================================================================== >PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer. >If you have any problems, questions or requests send an e-mail to >issues(a)sixdegrees.com and someone will get back to you as soon as >possible. >==================================================================== > > >E.DB.ANB.4 > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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RE: Questions for Magaziner?
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mr Magaziner, what do you think Thomas Jefferson meant when he stated: "Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one." Matt

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Re: Hacker D00D
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey, fuck you! Maybe Hacker D00D is the mother I always wanted! Go stick your head in a fucking incinerator! At 12:49 PM 9/18/98 -0700, I.A. Eaglemail wrote: >DENY > >>From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Fri Sep 18 12:23:32 1998 >>Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id >MAA22376 for cypherpunks-unedited-outgoing; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:16:52 >-0700 (PDT) >>Received: from neptune.sixdegrees.com (neptune.sixdegrees.com >[206.41.12.34]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA22371 for ><cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:16:49 -0700 (PDT) >>Message-Id: <199809181916.MAA22371(a)toad.com> >>Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:15:42 -0500 >>From: "sixdegrees"<5j0g50e0(a)auto.sixdegrees.com> >>To: "Joe Cyberspanker"<cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >>Subject: Hacker D00D >>Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >>Precedence: bulk >> >>You've been listed again. Looks like this whole sixdegrees >>thing is working. Your networking potential is growing by the >>second. Hacker D00D listed you as "Mother." >> >>Please let us know if you are in fact Hacker's Mother: >> >>==================================================================== >>TO RESPOND: >> >>FIRST, click your mail program's reply button. >> >>SECOND, in the reply e-mail that opens, on the first line of >>the message body, type only the word CONFIRM or the word DENY. >> >>THEN CLICK SEND. >> >>If you prefer, you can take care of this contact confirmation >>by visiting the site at http://www.sixdegrees.com and going to >>MY CONTACTS after logging in on the home page. You can also list >>new contacts there. >> >>We look forward to hearing from you. >> >>==================================================================== >>PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer. >>If you have any problems, questions or requests send an e-mail to >>issues(a)sixdegrees.com and someone will get back to you as soon as >>possible. >>==================================================================== >> >> >>E.DB.ANB.4 >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >

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RE: Democracy... (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Atheism means that one believes that there is no God. You trying to claim atheism is a religion itself is like the christians always claiming non-christians are satin worshippers. Forget about the origination of the word, in today's reality most atheists simply forgo religion completely. There is no reason to think that a god does exist, so why would one even need to think about or believe in the negative. > Ah, so there are personal beliefs that aren't religion and > then there are personal beliefs that are? Yes, beliefs based on valid reason, empiricism and science are not religious, the generally follow the path from conjecture to theory to fact. You may hold lots of personal conjecture that do qualify as beliefs but are not religious in nature, they are not exempt from empirical evidence and the laws of thermodynamics. Beliefs based on faith and mysticism are religious. Religion is irrational. > What a self-rightous, pretentious, egotistical viewpoint. Thank you. > Actualy not, the vast majority of people believe in God, just not your > particular brand - which after all is what the 1st is all about. Perhaps in Bible-belt Texas, not around here (not in the city anyway). Matt

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BAN DOGS..
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: vinnie(a)vmeng.com Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:34:32 -0700 Subject: BAN DOGS.. To: rah(a)shipwright.com, Tamzen Cannoy <tamzen(a)worldbenders.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 LETTER TO BAN DOGS To the Editor Arizona Republic P.O. Box 2244 Phoenix, Arizona 85002 January 7th, 1998 Dear Editor, I am gratified to read in this morning's paper that someone has finally called attention to an urgent situation which I have known about for a long time: annually 334,000 victims of savage dog bites, most frequently children, average age 15, are taken to the nation's emergency rooms. As the article states: "That's more ER visits than injuries from skateboards, baby walkers and in-line skates combined." Total annual cost of ER dog bites: $102.4 million. Twenty or more people killed annually by dogs, almost all of them children. Because these dogs are so readily obtainable on the streets of our nation, I implore all your readers to immediately deluge their Congressmen with letters, phone calls, faxes and telegrams to support the federal "Save the Widdle Childwen Fwom the Vicious Dog-Bite Act of 1998", which would require the following: mandatory muzzles fitted with muzzle-locks to be kept at all times on all dogs, licensing and paw-printing of all dogs, fingerprinting and house-monitoring of dog owners, including mandatory, federally-monitored safe storage of dogs and an immediate 1,000% tax on all dog food. This Act is sponsored by Canine Control Incorporated, an organization dedicated to eliminating canine violence in America by the year 2000. The Act also provides for the immediate banning of all "assault dogs", the definition of which term will constantly change according to the emotions of the board of C.C.I. "Saturday Night Special" dogs, such as Chihuahuas and other cheap, easily concealed ankle-biters, will also be banned. In addition, the Act bans all sharp canine teeth, all canine teeth longer than a federally-mandated length, all spiked collars and sharp canine toenails. It also mandates that all dogs be transferred only through federally licensed dog dealers, and provides for the changing of the BATF to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Assault Dogs, or BATFAD. I hope that the physicians' organizations who champion total hand-gun banning will rally behind this urgent cause to save our nation's children. Anyone who opposes this type of legislation obviously hates children. We need this Act desperately - after all, if it saves only one life, it is worth it. Not to mention the $102.4 million dollars in ER charges! My husband's face was horribly mauled at the age of four by a Pit Bull; today he is the poster child for C.C.I. Now, when not being used as a drooling doorstop or for first base, he is routinely wheeled out at charity fund-raising events at which he repeatedly mumbles, "Bad dogs! Ban dogs!" We urgently need your help to get these vicious dogs off the streets now! Please help end canine violence in America! Send donations to: C.C.I., 1111 B.S. Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20004. Make the checks out to me. Tina Terry c) 1998 by Tina Terry. This letter may be reprinted in its entirety, as long as nothing in it is changed, credit is given the author, and the following is included. Author's note: The author's husband's face really was mauled at age 4 by a Pit Bull, an incident in which he almost lost an eye. He's not in a wheelchair, true, but he also doesn't blame dogs in general for his early experience and he loves and owns dogs to this day. He also has never tried to enlist the author to run around the country trying to ban all dogs. --------------289FF090CB8537C73A0A0B03-- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: Catchy.
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:35:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: qnx.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Subject: Re: Catchy. Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:18:57 -0400 From: glen mccready <glen(a)qnx.com> Resent-From: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org X-Mailing-List: <0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org> archive/latest/196 X-Loop: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: 0xdeadbeef-request(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org From: Andrew Isaacson <adisaacs(a)mtu.edu> On Thu, Sep 17, 1998 at 08:34:49AM -0400, glen mccready wrote: > > Forwarded-by: nev(a)bostic.com > Forwarded-by: Kirk McKusick <mckusick(a)McKusick.COM> > From: Rick Kawala <condor(a)QueerNet.ORG> > > I was with a friend in Cafe Flore the other night and I had to ask the > counterperson what was playing on the stereo. Sort of techno but with > vocals on some tracks, minorish key, really great. Anyway, the CD arrived > and track 10 is called "PGP". And yes, they're talking about *that* PGP. > My God, an ode to data privacy. This computer thing is getting out of > hand. :) > Rick The CD is titled 'unlearn', the artist is psykosonik, and it's Copyright 1995. This computer thing got out of hand a long time ago. (It's on the Wax Trax label too, so you know it's gotta be good.) -andy -- Andy Isaacson adisaacs(a)mtu.edu adi(a)acm.org Fight Spam, join CAUCE: http://www.csl.mtu.edu/~adisaacs/ http://www.cauce.org/ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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