December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Covert Access to Data and ID
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dave Emery's remarks on government access to keystrokes (proposed by the NYT as an alternative to GAK) points to the probable increase of intrusive devices to counter increasing use of encryption and other privacy and anonymity measures. This topic comes up here now and then, with mentions of a slew of methods to protect privacy of data during transmission or storage. But the possibility of logging the initial creation or manipulation of data is not as often discussed, nor how to tie a person to the data, as now being asked in legal and law enforcement fora to identify, catch, convict and jail computer culprits. That the NYT floated the idea surely means someone is testing public response to an idea that seems to be more intrusive than GAK: the logging of initial data and any manipulation of it, prior to encrypting, and maybe including a means to link the actions to the user. If this is logging (and related retrieval) is done covertly, encryption could thereby become a falsely reassuring cloak of privacy. Dave thinks devices like these are surely in the works, and he can say more about their sponsors, technologies and implementations. One driving force, as he previously noted, is the desire for devices to assure copyright protection, backed by the WIPO treaty, which now being considered for approval. See the House report on it at: http://jya.com/hr105-551.txt (141K) And the EFF and ACLU opposition to it: hr2281-opp.htm Other forces, though, are employers who want to snoop, law enforcement, government, marketers, actually the same groups who dislike privacy protection measures, but often prefer to snoop covertly while loudly proclaiming support for privacy. Thus, the more general question Dave has raised is how widespread is the development and implementation of technolgies for covert surveillance on the Web and in desktop boxes -- happily spreading quietly while attention is focussed on the very encryption which it will circumvent? And what are these devices, or what might they be, what might be countermeasures and who might be working for and against them. SDA must have insights to share. Over to Dave Emery and those more knowledgeable. For those who missed his earlier message we've put it, with a follow-up at: http://jya.com/gaks-de.htm

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U.S. relaxes licensing grip on encryption
by Xena - Warrior Princess 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(From the Mercury News, see subject line) http://www.sjmercury.com/business/center/encrypt070898.htm It's a start, at least.

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RE: Democracy... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: Democracy... (fwd) > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:46:04 -0700 > > So if a Texas DPS officer pulled over a car from Louisiana he couldn't > > hassle them in regards to the pot they had in the car. Even > > though it was illegal for Texas citizens. > > Wow, you learn something new every day. You didn't learn anything because you weren't paying attention. This was supposition based on a strict interpretation of the Constitution. You should try reading *every* word. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Larry Gilbert, AOLers, and the Hyper-real flamer
by AIMSX＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hmm... have you ever thought... that my mother may not exactly love the idea of me having access to other people's accounts... so I need to do what she DOES condone? You just don't seem to be using your brain. >Some of them have over 100 accounts on the same ISP, and are >truly so full of shit, that they're swimming in it. Kid, by bullshiting, all >you're doing is enforcing the view that AOL users are really AOLusers.

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Re: software
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 CHerr58414(a)aol.com wrote: > > if u got any freeware for encripting and decodeing that would be great so if > you can mail me back some info. Thanks > > we gots lotz of hardware for people of ur abillitiez in fact our hardware is really really hard so if u got any pictures of urself that would be great so if you can mail us back some. Thanks LamenessMonger

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Nita Daniel
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Democracy...
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 9/15/98 10:27 PM, Jaeger (Jaeger(a)hempseed.com) passed this wisdom: > >hey, would you care to show us where "seperation of church and state" is >to be found in the constitution/bill of rights? absolute right and >wrong is not a religious belief (necessarily).. your religious beliefs >do not affect the nature of reality. there are absolute truths by [snip] >> Ever heard of seperation of church and state? Democracy? the rights of >> >> the individual? While you certainly have the right to practice your >> religion in what ever manner you so choose demanding that everyone >> else >> does, or that the president of the us of ais subject to you PERSONAL >> faith decisions is outragous The first amendment states only that there shall not be 'an establishment of religion' it says nada about 'separation of church and state.' The intention was simple; that there would never be an 'official' state religion. It didn't say religion had no place. They were escaping a regime with an established state religion that used the goverment to stamp out religious deviationism. That was the sole reason for that clause in the 1st amendment. Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "...if you drink much from a bottle marked "poison." and it is almost certain to disagree with you, sooner or later" _Alice in Wonderland_: (Lewis Carroll)

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Democracy...
by Vivek Vaidya 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>>Almost 60 percent of those polled said they thought Clinton was fit to be >>>president. By what standard? That's the trouble. Americans have no >>>standards -- no unchangeable yardsticks by which they measure right and >>>wrong, truth from fiction. > >>By *their* standard, by their own personal judgement. There's no moral >>yardstick, and God help us if there is in the future. Who makes the >>yardstick? Who sits down and says, "This is the moral standard in this >>country, abide by it or suffer the consequences"? > >Sorry but there are absolutes and there is a moral yardstick. Whether this > is accepted or not is beside the point. > >There has to be absolutes otherwise any action can be excused (or damned). > The real cry should be >"God help us to instigate Your yardstick". God doesn't change and neither >does His measure. > >1)Love the Lord, with all your heart, with all you soul with all your mind >and all your strength >2)Love you neibour as yourself. > >Everything else hangs on these. > Ever heard of seperation of church and state? Democracy? the rights of the individual? While you certainly have the right to practice your religion in what ever manner you so choose demanding that everyone else does, or that the president of the us of ais subject to you PERSONAL faith decisions is outragous Vivek Vaidya ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Electronic Security & Counterintelligence" must become pervasive, and this is only possible if we release the private sector from artificial constraints on encryption, and if we return to our democratic foundation, the respect for personal privacy. We cannot regulate this, we can only nurture this fundamental national security arena. TAKEDOWN: Targets, Tools, & Technocracy Robert David Steele http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usassi/ssipubs/stratcon/steele.htm Another excerpt: 2.The greatest obstacle our government faces today in assuring national security and national competitivenessthe cause of causes for conflict and economic lossis the growing gap between those with power and those with knowledge.

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serene rebel
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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