December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Covert Access to Data and ID
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Froward From: Anonymous To: die(a)pig.die.com Cc: jy(a)jya.com Subject: Intel plans for world domination Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:51:04 -0500 Good afternoon gentlemen, I've been reading the correspondence on the possibility of govt keystroke access with some interest. I'm in a slightly odd position as I'm responsible for security in one of the larger wintel companies. As such I've been getting quite a feeling of deja vu reading your mails. Intel and others are moving in exactly this direction with a number of initiatives, most notably the PC98, PCXX, and "Wired For Management". WfM in particular is very scary - one of the components is a facility for PC's to download and run digitally signed software before the OS is booted - between "the end of BIOS initialisation and when control is transferred to a high-level OS" in the words of one Intel document. The code is verified by routines embedded in the BIOS and will allegedly use some subset of X.509v3 and PKCS#1. As so often happens in circumstances like this I can't risk passing documents directly as I can't be sure of their provenance - I really have no idea which ones are now considered trade secrets and which have been made public. Instead I recommend you have a look at the Intel WfM site http://www.intel.com/ial/wfm/ with particular reference to the "Pre-Boot Execution Environment" (PXE) and "System Management BIOS" (SMBIOS). The Microsoft pc98 site is at http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/pc98.htm and the Intel one at http://developer.intel.com/design/pc98/. ---------- And, DM reminds of the DIRT program Ray Arachelian first posted here: There's an article on page 37 of the July 6, 1998 issue of NetworkWorld about a new software product for Windows machines that is basically a trojan horse that allows access to all keystrokes and files on a system from a remote "America's Most Wanted"-type HQ. I can't find the article online at www.networkworld.com, but you can go the the company's site at http://www.thecodex.com/dirt.html to see it. Sale of DIRT is "restricted to military, government, and law enforcement agencies", the article says.

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17 Dec '03

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Jim Bell Message
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded from a long-time cpunk who received a call from Jim Bell yesterday. Jim asked that this message be publicized: 7/7/98 By this post he is publically accusing the Federal Government of having spied on him from two physical addresses. These are two houses to the North & to the East of his parent's house. The government moved in within 6 months (approx) of the time before his arrest. One of the addresses is 7217 Mississippi, which is listed as "Billy King", who died a couple of years ago. The house is ostensibly being occupied by his widow (or that is the impression). It is listed as being as owned by Alverna King, but he has his doubts. The other is address is 7302 Corregidor, purchased about 2.5 - 3 years ago by someone. Listed as being the address of Sundown Development, a small business company. A second floor was added soon after it was acquired by the company. They aren't listed as the owners on record, but they are listed as being at that address. Thinks this is a sham. The govmt was basically next door spying on him for at least a year, before it started provoking him. In response to his using the internet for freewheeling debate, they engaged in some bugging that is illegal under Washington State law. It is illegal to use bugging without the knowledge of the participants. He has developed a technique for identifying when someone is tailing him. Found this on Father's day when some people got a little too close to him. He drove to his Sister's party on Hayden Island in Oregon, and noticed the tails. Identified them as Rixen Marine, which he thinks is a sham, another front organization. One of the reasons he was arrested (though they're not willing to admit it) is because was way too successful in tailing _them_. A few more days and he would have blown their entire operation. He couldn't go into the details of how he found out these things. Did research & sophisticated observation. Will be getting friends to do searches in databases, etc. to gather more info to substantiate his suspicions. He said his recent arrest was on a probation violation charge - failure to pay a fine or something, wasn't clear on the specifics. There will be a hearing on his case this Friday the 10th. Prosecutors last year didn't know what the govmt was up to - not told of the spying (a "black operation"). Their method of spying on him are techniques which are possible, though rarely used. If people knew they would be very surprised. It will be a big story - big as Watergate - when it comes out. Their usage of these high-tech methods for access is difficult, so not used often. The government is trying to cover up their reaction to what he wrote in his essays. ------------------- <end of message>

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Covert Access to Data and ID
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dave Emery's remarks on government access to keystrokes (proposed by the NYT as an alternative to GAK) points to the probable increase of intrusive devices to counter increasing use of encryption and other privacy and anonymity measures. This topic comes up here now and then, with mentions of a slew of methods to protect privacy of data during transmission or storage. But the possibility of logging the initial creation or manipulation of data is not as often discussed, nor how to tie a person to the data, as now being asked in legal and law enforcement fora to identify, catch, convict and jail computer culprits. That the NYT floated the idea surely means someone is testing public response to an idea that seems to be more intrusive than GAK: the logging of initial data and any manipulation of it, prior to encrypting, and maybe including a means to link the actions to the user. If this is logging (and related retrieval) is done covertly, encryption could thereby become a falsely reassuring cloak of privacy. Dave thinks devices like these are surely in the works, and he can say more about their sponsors, technologies and implementations. One driving force, as he previously noted, is the desire for devices to assure copyright protection, backed by the WIPO treaty, which now being considered for approval. See the House report on it at: http://jya.com/hr105-551.txt (141K) And the EFF and ACLU opposition to it: hr2281-opp.htm Other forces, though, are employers who want to snoop, law enforcement, government, marketers, actually the same groups who dislike privacy protection measures, but often prefer to snoop covertly while loudly proclaiming support for privacy. Thus, the more general question Dave has raised is how widespread is the development and implementation of technolgies for covert surveillance on the Web and in desktop boxes -- happily spreading quietly while attention is focussed on the very encryption which it will circumvent? And what are these devices, or what might they be, what might be countermeasures and who might be working for and against them. SDA must have insights to share. Over to Dave Emery and those more knowledgeable. For those who missed his earlier message we've put it, with a follow-up at: http://jya.com/gaks-de.htm

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U.S. relaxes licensing grip on encryption
by Xena - Warrior Princess 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(From the Mercury News, see subject line) http://www.sjmercury.com/business/center/encrypt070898.htm It's a start, at least.

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RE: Democracy... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: Democracy... (fwd) > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:46:04 -0700 > > So if a Texas DPS officer pulled over a car from Louisiana he couldn't > > hassle them in regards to the pot they had in the car. Even > > though it was illegal for Texas citizens. > > Wow, you learn something new every day. You didn't learn anything because you weren't paying attention. This was supposition based on a strict interpretation of the Constitution. You should try reading *every* word. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Larry Gilbert, AOLers, and the Hyper-real flamer
by AIMSX＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hmm... have you ever thought... that my mother may not exactly love the idea of me having access to other people's accounts... so I need to do what she DOES condone? You just don't seem to be using your brain. >Some of them have over 100 accounts on the same ISP, and are >truly so full of shit, that they're swimming in it. Kid, by bullshiting, all >you're doing is enforcing the view that AOL users are really AOLusers.

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Re: software
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 CHerr58414(a)aol.com wrote: > > if u got any freeware for encripting and decodeing that would be great so if > you can mail me back some info. Thanks > > we gots lotz of hardware for people of ur abillitiez in fact our hardware is really really hard so if u got any pictures of urself that would be great so if you can mail us back some. Thanks LamenessMonger

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by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Democracy...
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 9/15/98 10:27 PM, Jaeger (Jaeger(a)hempseed.com) passed this wisdom: > >hey, would you care to show us where "seperation of church and state" is >to be found in the constitution/bill of rights? absolute right and >wrong is not a religious belief (necessarily).. your religious beliefs >do not affect the nature of reality. there are absolute truths by [snip] >> Ever heard of seperation of church and state? Democracy? the rights of >> >> the individual? While you certainly have the right to practice your >> religion in what ever manner you so choose demanding that everyone >> else >> does, or that the president of the us of ais subject to you PERSONAL >> faith decisions is outragous The first amendment states only that there shall not be 'an establishment of religion' it says nada about 'separation of church and state.' The intention was simple; that there would never be an 'official' state religion. It didn't say religion had no place. They were escaping a regime with an established state religion that used the goverment to stamp out religious deviationism. That was the sole reason for that clause in the 1st amendment. Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "...if you drink much from a bottle marked "poison." and it is almost certain to disagree with you, sooner or later" _Alice in Wonderland_: (Lewis Carroll)

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