December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Joseph 'Anonymous' Howe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: Re: "safe-haven" Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:37:46 -0400 [...Initial message & Response...] Mixmaster wrote: > What characteristics make a jurisdiction (sovereign power) a good "safe-haven?" Frederick Burroughs <riburr(a)shentel.net> responded: Economically? In the view of former ARVN (south-vietnamese army) officer I used to work with, government stability was a big requirement (anarchists take note). Stability measured as the system of government, not holders of offices. Of course it's easy to understand his position in light of his country's recent history. Despite his foreign attributes, he was the source of some amusement and interesting tidbits. Government stability depends on many variables, but history can and is used by those with holdings as a simple measure. Then again, a good "safe haven" doesn't necessarily offer the biggest return (or loss) on your investment. [...end original...] (I left the subject in the body of this message as these remailers sometimes clip the subject field.) Good comments. History is useful for measuring not only stability, but many facets. Cases: 1. Anguilla & Cate coming under pressure from Argentina. Would you say that Cate's customer might have thought that a Carribean island might be a safe haven? 2. Recent law suits over what people say about other people or companies. There doesn't appear to be much security there for data between the u.s., canada and g.b. Therefore, where can you find safety from intrusion by your host government, whether they don't like what is on your server or another government or person doesn't like what is on your computer? Has anyone tackled this question in a studied way? (Yes, I know that a number of good law firms would offer me an opinion for $350/hr.) The only answer I can find, so far (and hence the question), is moving the data, which gets expensive. It would seem that putting the data in a known safe haven in the first place would be a better method of protecting it and then move it if assaulted.

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The Unbreakable Data Lock
by Richard Storey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/13920.html

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CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 4, 1998
by CTIA Daily News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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(<A = HREF=3D"http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/980804/il_arthur__1.html">YAHOO</A>)= </TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD> </TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>House Commerce = Committee Chairman Blasts FCC   for Giving = Spectrum to Teligent </TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>House Commerce Committee Chairman = Thomas W. Bliley (R-Va.) said the FCC appears to have "manufactured" a = national security need to justify its allocation of a valuable airwave spectrum to a private company without a public proceeding and at no additional = cost.  The FCC's March 1997 decision shifts Teligent Inc.'s licenses for = Digital Electronic Messaging Services from the 18-gigahertz tier to the 24-GHz tier - in effect, quadrupling the portion of the airwaves it could take up. (<A = HREF=3D"http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/daily/980803a.html">ZDNET</A>)&nbsp= ;</TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD> </TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>FCC to Hold = Hearings on Universal Service E-Rate</TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>Figures released by the U.S. = Department of Commerce show a widening gap in access to basic telephone services, as well as computer technology between rich and poor, and between races regardless of income level.  The hearings will investigate ways to close this "digital divide."  Currently, the FCC administers a = controversial program that is funded by fees charged to telecommunications providers. (<A = HREF=3D"http://www.news.com/News/Item/Textonly/0,25,24897,00.html?pfv">N= EWS.COM</A>) - (<A = HREF=3D"http://www2.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/info/080498/info3_19490.html"= >NANDO.NET</A>) - (<A = HREF=3D"http://interactive.wsj.com/edition/current/articles/SB9021811822= 79792500.htm">WALL ST. JOURNAL</A>) - (<A = HREF=3D"http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/ctd221.htm">USA TODAY</A>) - (<A = HREF=3D"http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/technology/story.html?s=3Dz= /reuters/980804/tech/stories/fcc_1.html">YAHOO</A>)</TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD> </TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>CellStar Says = Securities and Exchange Commission   Probing Its = "Compliance"</TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>In its statement, CellStar said it = believes the SEC inquiry is primarily related to previously disclosed events = occurring in 1995 and 1996. In February 1996, the company lowered fourth quarter earnings estimates on what it said was a bookkeeping error related to = "double counting of inventory.'' A class-action suit on behalf of shareholders was filed against the company in April 1996 accusing the company of = misrepresentation of financial results. (<A = HREF=3D"http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980803/cellstar_c_1.html">YAHOO</A>= ) - (<A = HREF=3D"http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/980803/tx_cellsta_1.html">CELLSTAR</= A>)</TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD> </TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>LMDS Services to = Businesses to Exceed $6.5 Billion by 2007, According to Report by Pioneer = Consulting </TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>More than half of the revenues will = be generated by the small business market (fewer than 10 employees), where a tremendous unmet demand exists for low-cost high-speed access = services, according to the report. (<A = HREF=3D"http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/980804/ma_lmds_re_1.html">YAHOO</A>)= </TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD> </TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>Samsung = Electronics Licenses Unwired Planet Microbrowser   for CDMA = Handsets </TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>Samsung will use Unwired Planet's = microbrowser to deliver enhanced functionality and features in mainstream handsets = for consumers, in addition to providing the wireless information access = capabilities that network operators can deploy. (<A = HREF=3D"http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/980804/unwired_pl_1.html">YAHOO</A>)</FO= NT></TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD> </TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>Rutland, Vermont = Town Officials Assess Need   for Cellular = Antenna Site</TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>Planning commission officials = explore ways that cellular phone service can be offered while preserving the = scenic landscape.(<A = HREF=3D"http://www.wow-com.com/results/professional/news/frameindex.cfm?= articleid=3D3052">WOW-COM</A>)</TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD> </TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>Dobson = Communications Acquires Its Third California   Cellular = Property</TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>Dobson buys California 7 Rural = Service Area (RSA) which includes Brawley, Calexico, and El Centro, Calif., = from Southern Cellular for $21 million.  Dobson will market its = wireless service under the trade name AirTouch Cellular to the 143,400 = population of the area. (<A = HREF=3D"http://www.wow-com.com/results/professional/news/frameindex.cfm?= articleid=3D3067">WOW-COM</A>)</TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD> </TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>Popularity of = Wireless Phones Grows as Their Size Shrinks</TD> <TD></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD></TD> <TD>Wireless phones are more convenient = to carry and use as manufacturers shrink them down to the size of a pack = of gum, load them up with new features and longer talk and standby times, and offer better pricing. 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Great Fascist Satan�s ploys
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tuesday 8/4/98 3:11 PM J Orlin Grabbe John Young Morales and I met for lunch. We formulated a plan of attack on the NEXT TARGET. ABQ J Monday 8/13/98 Fess Up, Clinton Friends, Foes Say Key Republican Says Lenience Is an Option By Robert L. Jackson Los Angeles Times WASHINGTON - [C]hairman Orrin Hatch of Utah said he believes Clinton could retract his denials of intimacy with Lewinsky and still survive in office, provided there is no evidence of larger transgressions such as perjury or obstruction of justice. If he comes forth and tells it and does it in the right way and there arent a lot of other factors to cause the Congress to say this man is unfit for the presidency and should be impeached, then I think the president would have a reasonable chance of getting through this, Hatch said of NBCs Meet the Press. ... One of the Great Fascist Satans ploys is to give a person bad advice ... and hope they take it. Bubba, we all guess, knows this TOO. Morales and I figured out how to approach Hatch. The last attempt did not work. http://www.jya.com/whp071598.htm The statement No less can they forget how the west backed Saddam Hussein's 1980 invasion of Iran. in Clinton Longs to "Make Iran His China" seen at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ appears a bit understated in view of http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm and http://caq.com/cryptogate. I got a letter from US Attorney Mitchell today. But I haven't opened it. Yesterday on the phone Mitchell I sensed that Mitchell had changed. Mitchell sounded sympathetic to what Morales' and I are doing. But she is a LAWYER so we are NOT counting on anything. Let's all hope for settlement of the UNFORTUNATE matter before it gets WORSE. Later bill Monday 8/3/98 3:41 PM FAX Jan Elizabeth Mitchell Assistant U.S. Attorney U.S. Department of Justice United States Attorney District of New Mexico Post Office Box 607 Albuquerque, NM 87103 505/346-7274 505/766-2868 FAX 505/346-7205 Dear Ms Mitchell: Purpose of the fax is to 1 review points covered in our 8/3/98 14:18 phone conversation 2 suggest settlement. You phoned me today. You told me that you planned to file a motion or response to the Tenth circuits request Morales and my response to the jurisdictional issue on the 21st of August. I told you that this was premature on your part since we had moved for a second time for an extension of time. I told you also that this matter was now before congress. You appeared to indicate to me that you were in the process of adding both Morales and Minihan as named parties in this appeal. You asked me if it would be agreeable to us if you filed a response to the Tenth circuit 21 days AFTER Morales and I filed our response to the Tenth circuit on the jurisdictional issue. I AGREED. I spoke to Morales on the phone shortly after our phone conversation. Arguing points of law before court clerks and judges who have outstanding criminal complaint affidavits for crimes COMMITTED IN WRITING againtst them would be unproductive on Morales and my part. Therefore, we will proceed to resolve the criminal conduct on the part of judges and court clerks before we proceed further in this matter. We will do this at the Congressional level. Senate Judiciary Committe chairman Orrin Hatch, unfortunately, failed to properly process a valid complaint on New Mexico district court chief judge John Conway in 1995. http://www.jya.com/whp071598.htm Hatchs failure to properly respond in 1995, in large part, caused our current legal conflict with DIR NSA Minihan. We foresee an unfortunate escalation of hostilities if this matter proceeds as it is. We do not wish this. We seek settlement of the UNFORTUNATE matter at the earliest time. We ask your and Congressional help to settle this UNFORTUNATE matter before it gets WORSE. If I have made any essential material errors in reporting my impression of the contents of our conversation, then I would appreciate you giving your impression of possible errors. You can do this in the letter you said you would write to us. Sincerely, bill payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Distribution Senate Judiciary Committee e-mail Arthur R Morales e-mail

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stickers
by ELarson100＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can you do a 5 color process? 4x4". Price on 500,1000,1500

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CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 4, 1998 (Update)
by CTIA Daily News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

******************************************************************* You may have received an earlier encoded version of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM. We apologize for any inconvenience. We experienced a technical malfunction that has been corrected. ******************************************************************* ========================================== Welcome to today's edition of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM. Please click on the icon / attachment for the most important news in wireless communications today. A new multi-billion dollar industry is here! Be at CTIA's WIRELESS I.T. '98 where personal computing and communications converge! Don't Miss Your Chance -- October 12-14, 1998 Bally's Las Vegas, Las Vegas, NV For more information, visit http://www.wirelessit.com ===========================================

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George Santyana, 1905 and the zeitgeist
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tuesday 8/4/98 6:17 PM J Orlin Grabbe When I sent The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention. Francis Bacon I had not seen the news. I watched Dan Rather, ABC, and PBS. I THINK I realized the importance of what you wrote at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/apocalyp.htm when I wrote at Tuesday 8/4/98 10:58 AM Larry Gilbert is our broker at Dain Rausher, formerly Rausher, Pierce and Resfnes. I phoned Gilbert this morning to alert him to http://www.aci.net/kalliste/apocalyp.htm The about 300 point drop in the DJ. I THINK we are doing LOTS OF THINKING. We are THINKING ABOUT the zeitgeist. We do not cause what MAY happen. We MAY only predict it. By THINKING and STUDYING HISTORY. THINKING SLOWLY is the most important part. Sitting Bull, whose Indian name was Tatanka Iyotake, was born in the Grand River region of present-day South Dakota in approximately 1831. His nickname was Hunkesi, meaning "Slow" because he never hurried and did everything with care. http://www.incwell.com/Biographies/SittingBull.html Morales and I are BOTH SLOW THINKERS. Morales, his wife Becky said at about 17:30, also got a letter from US attorney Mitchell. Retired Washington State University econ chairman Robert F Wallace "Stupidity is difficult to underestimate." recommended I read The Great Crash by John Kenneth Galbraith. I did a bit of searching on the web and found "Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it." -- George Santyana, 1905 http://rickohio.com/mag/articles/monica.htm You and John Young http://www.jya.com/index.htm are riding the zeitgeist, I THINK! Morales and Payne may be on the zeitgeist too. http://www.jya.com/whp071598.htm Let's all hope for settlement of this unforunate matter. Before it gets WORSE. Best bill

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Cracking DES 5, 6, 7
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Chapters 5, 6 and 7, the US-export-prohibited code, and a great job of scanning and proofreading: ftp://ftp.nic.surfnet.nl/surfnet/net-security/encryption/cracking_DES/

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Clinton shafted by a dress?/The art of cyber seduction
by STUFFED/EUREKA! 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Welcome to today's issue of Stuffed. To read it you should click on the URL below. If it is not made clickable by your email program you will need to use your mouse to highlight the line, copy it and then paste it into your browser (then press Return). http://stuffed.net/98/8/4/ If you have an email program that can display web pages you will find today's front cover should have already been disp- layed and can be clicked on to take you straight to Stuffed. This email is never sent unsolicited. Stuffed is the supplement for the Eureka newsletter you subscribed to. Full instructions on unsubscribing are in every issue of Eureka!

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Re: of Re: of the dickwads thing...
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I hope it can't be tracked, even by the operators. That is the point of making it anonymous. :) I take no offense to a post suck as this. The sender obviously knows almost nothing of the remailers, letters coming out in a different order preserve untracability. The point for the names such as Anonymous and Nobody are so you know it's an anon remailer, there is no reason to hide it and it helps to identify them. If you want to hide it you can. ---kryz <chrisharwig(a)hetnet.nl> wrote: > > I'm a pretty ignorant "cypherpunk". I believe that this crap can be > uncovered. > Or is it a test or some thing like that. > Why not crack the "Anonymous" person and hang 'm high. I can't do that, > helas! > Maybe you can? > > : they > : can't even get their messages to come out in the same order that they > : came in by... > : Dumb, eh? Some of the test messages I sent to myself came back in a > : different order from that what I sent them in. I guess these guys don't > : know much about computers, eh? > : And those names, 'Anonymous' and 'Nobody', aren't fooling AnyBody, > : because the minute you see them, you *know* that the message is > : from a remailer. Dumb, eh? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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