December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Icosahedral dice
by Roland Silver 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone know of a source for a picture of a pair of icoshedral dice? -- Rollo Silver <rollo(a)artvark.com>

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Your nyrealty.com preferences
by aptinfo＠nyrealty.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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More dumb ad sites for your killfile
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ads.lycos.com ad.doubleclick.net ads.altavista.digital.com ad.preferences.com ph-ad*.focalink.com www.news.com/Banners ads.lycos.com static.wired.com/advertising

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Re: Why no "Banner Ad Eaters"?
by John Kelsey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [ To: cypherpunks ## Date: 01/25/98 ## Subject: Re: Why no "Banner Ad Eaters"? ] >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:53:19 -0800 >From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> >Subject: Re: Why no "Banner Ad Eaters"? >At 11:16 PM 1/22/98 -0800, Wei Dai wrote: >>It seems to me that blocking ads is no different from >>blocking porn. All of the technology being developed for the >>latter purpose (PICS for example) will eventually be used >>for the former. >With both PICS ratings for web pages and the new TV ratings, >somehow the ratings only apply to the program and not the >ads. After all, if each TV commercial had to be separately >rated, people would rapidly develop equipment to autoblock >commercials, and that just wouldn't do. Note that there's a difference in incentives, here, too. Porn sites in most countries, including the US, have some strong legal and social incentives to rate themselves honestly, and probably have relatively little financial incentive to rate themselves inaccurately. (Think of the hassles you get with things like disputed credit card payments made by someone's 14-year-old kid.) This makes the blocking software's job a lot easier. I just can't see what incentive advertisers have to co-operate with rating systems of this kind. How would it improve your bottom line? Advertisers are likely to get paid either on the basis of number of people who see the ad, or on the basis of number of people who click on the ad. In either case, letting your ad be casually filtered out is just not going to make you any money. About the only incentive I can see for letting your ads be blocked is the desire not to make too many ad recipients mad at the advertiser. (Presumably, this is the reason why spam is almost never used by reputable companies--they don't want to make too many potential customers angry.) But this doesn't seem to apply to webpage ads, which manage not to be quite intrusive enough to enrage their targets. >Unfortunately, you're probably right, though providers and >advertisers who really want their messages to get through >will find ways to do it. The current banners are nice, >friendly implementations in that they're easy to identify >and block; newer ones will just be sneakier. I assume that, sooner or later, the advertisements will be woven in so well that it's all-but-impossible to get rid of them without also getting rid of the useful content you're trying to read/see/use. [Good comments deleted.] >Alternatively, >they may go to clickthrough payment models - the web page >owner only gets paid when people click on the ad, though >perhaps at a higher rate than current "impressions". Maybe. Either way, in the long run, ads that don't seem to be generating sales aren't going to be renewed. Being able to count clicks gives you one metric for this; another is completed sales from those clicks. This defines why web page owners that are making lots of ad revenue will have lots of incentive to make people who use their services look at and respond to their ads. People will try various things to make this happen. If none of them work, then ad-supported pages will cease to exist. Many of the services now supported by ads have other good revenue models. Sites like Dejanews and Altavista have enough name-recognition to do things like sell custom searching or research from their Usenet and Web databases, or provide statistical customer profiles that don't reveal customer identities but are still of use to marketers. >Bill >Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com Note: I read CP-LITE instead of the whole list. Please CC me on replies. - --John Kelsey, kelsey(a)counterpane.com / kelsey(a)plnet.net NEW PGP print = 5D91 6F57 2646 83F9 6D7F 9C87 886D 88AF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNMwNTiZv+/Ry/LrBAQH6KgP/c0o0ZiraSW7PbmDK6YQh+D3wp48cIn3S manFeca05yuoJDvs6ZKO85ycvVTvVZXBP8tvVDDAMD35CEfxGMNc/0bk1hqS/rx9 /gkHy/OYeKvcSscP9KwWTRtGu+DhHxjNqxOuFFgw6QBCxA5KDdUakF64POlYbi/2 +/kMlWS3on0= =QsU7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Technolgies of Political Control
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Axel Horns and Ulf Möller we offer an excerpt of the draft European Parliament report on global surveillance cited in news reports recently: An Appraisal of Technolgies of Political Control Scientific and Technological Options Assessment Working Document (Consultation version) PE 166 499 Luxembourg, 6 January 1998 The report covers: - The Role & Function of Political Control Technologies - Recent Trends and Innovations - Developments in Surveillance Technologies - Innovations in Crowd Control Weapons - New Prison Control Systems - Interrogation, Torture Techniques and Technologies - Regulation of Horizontal Proliferation - Further Research See excerpt: http://jya.com/atpc.htm Printed copies are available from the staff of the British MEP Glyn Ford (tel +322 2843748 fax +322 2849059, jford(a)europarl.eu.int)

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Re: Technolgies of Political Control (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I would like to suggest that you reconfigure your editor so it actualy puts in LF/CR's so that it doesn't show up as one long line... Any editing errors are mine. Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:46:02 -0800 > From: Steve Schear <schear(a)lvdi.net> > Subject: Re: Technolgies of Political Control > At 6:47 PM -0500 1/25/98, John Young wrote: > >Thanks to Axel Horns and Ulf Möller we offer an excerpt > >of the draft European Parliament report on global > >surveillance cited in news reports recently: > > > > An Appraisal of Technolgies of Political Control > >Scientific and Technological Options Assessment > > Working Document (Consultation version) > > PE 166 499 > > Luxembourg, 6 January 1998 > > The report makes mention of built-in surveillence feature in CCITT compliant ISDN products. ""What is not widely known is that built in to the international CCITT protocol is the ability to take phones 'off hook' and listen into conversations occurring near the phone, without the user being aware that it is happening." Seems like an awful lot of CP using ISDN gear should beware. Many ISDN devices are firmware based. Might this not spawn a number of good crack projects to remove this feature from popular products. I use an Ascend P25. The docs say its CCITT compliant. Sooo does it enable this form of surveillence? Enquiring minds want to know. > All phones can be forced to do this. Even POTS. It's a commenly known 'feature' by most folks in the telecom industry for the last 30+ years. Commen defeat is to leave the phones unplugged or place them next to a radio or television. Then if you want to have a secure conversation go to another room, or better yet take a long walk in your neighborhood at low-traffic times.

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Welcome to our WebBoard!
by webboard＠netstrike.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy May prefers to have sex with little kids because his own penis is like that of a three-year-old. /\**/\ ( o_o )_) Timothy May ,(u u ,), {}{}{}{}{}{}

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Welcome to RebaNet
by Registration＠Reba.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Burning papers (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:00:08 +0100 (MET) > Subject: Re: Burning papers > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > I've heard that you can look at it under a microscope with a polarizing > filter and see the magnetic patterns. Go down to your local security or electronics supply (not Rat Shack) and you should be able to buy a polarized loupe and see it directly. > Plastic should burn fine, as most is polyethylene (CH2) which produces > water and carbon dioxide when burned, leaving virtually no residue. The > only plastic that you'd need to worry about is chlorinated stuff like PVC. If it has any N in it then don't burn it in a closed space otherwise you will get various xCN compounds. These are very toxic, KCN is Potassium Cyanide. In general you don't want to burn most plastics in closed spaces or be downwind because they do give off various toxic chemicals. You can check with your local fire dept. and they can provide references on the plastics used in television cases, 3.5 floppy covers (v the disk itself), video tape, etc. and the sorts of gases they give off. When my house burned 3 years ago both my cats were killed because of smoke inhalation (approx. 9 computers and bunches of other plastics went up). It was not a pretty sight. Congealed blood from lung eruptions on their lips, very blue tinge to the skin, etc. Not a pretty sight. If you're smart avoid burning plastics except under very controlled circumstances. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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