December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Quebec secession trial - status?
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I was wondering if anyone in the great white north might enlighten us on what is going on with the Quebec secession case that starts this week... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Websites and trademarks at odds [CNN]
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199802181552.JAA11020(a)einstein.ssz.com>, on 02/18/98 at 09:52 AM, Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> said: >> How can consumers trust using the Web, where guessing about a >> company's address can be like playing shopper's roulette? Imagine >> visiting your local grocery store and finding no milk or eggs but >> auto parts instead. Imagine walking into Burger King and being >> offered computer software. This is really much todo about nothing and shows a complete lack of understanding of Trademark laws. Trademarks are product specific, there is nothing preventing preventing two companies from having the same name provided they are not in the same business. You can even have two companies with the same name in the same business provided that the likelyhood of mistaking one company for another is small. Some examples: It is perfectly legal to have a company name IBM (the computer company) and another company called IBM (a local auto repair shop in Podunk, AK). It is also legal to have two companies called Widgets both making widgets provided that both were operating in different regions (Widgets #1 only operated in NewEngland while Widgets #2 only operated in Texas). Trademarks not only involve company names but also include product names. A good example of this is Intel and the naming of thier CPU's. The courts ruled that they could not trademark a Number (286,386,486,...) an this is the reason for the Pentium(TM) name for their chips which is trademarkable. Even so there is nothing preventing McDonalds from calling thier new burger the Pentium as no one should mistake a burger for a CPU (well except for some windows users <g>). Now understanding that even when one Tradmarks a name it does not give you exclusive use of the name how does one apply trademarks to a domain name? Should www.windows.com be the exclusive domain of Microsoft just because they have a program with that name? What about a window manufacture shouldn't he have an equal if not greater claim to that domain (after all his whole business is windows)? Which windows manufacture? Should ABC Windows have that claim or Billy-Bob's Windows Imporium? Should the trademark claim extend to all possible domains? (www.windows.com, www.windows.org, www.windows.net, www.windows-blows-chunks-and-bill-gates-sucks-eggs.com)? I haven't even touched on the international issues. Should a company from one company have the ability to enforce it's trademark claim to all domains world-wide? I fear that this is just another example of the Government trying to get it's sticky fat fingers on another portion of the net not to mention yet aother shoddy piece of journalism (calling it that give too much credit to the author). Just for the slow ones out there it is perfectly legal for me to open a computer store, call it Buger King and call my computer system the Wopper. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: I'm an OS/2 developer...I don't NEED a life! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNOsCLI9Co1n+aLhhAQGPUAP/XIg+CYn3zGQH6ztVDY+gZAEVjPMU04QF 4JePKqGUOPSaXwHF6U7Fvx9bqGl9cBd36JT0KwwQluBRQBdJ4q2FAX4a92JubtuX PqeJRTXNf9QszMDh5LFVSBu+aQi5qozqAglHf6Ep7hMNQ8ZyK1yw7pYHWRvLALGJ dQQaIWI/zKo= =RrnK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Dealing with Spam, Part 2
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>MailGuard, which can be downloaded from www.fundi.com, interposes itself >>between your existing email package and the Internet. When a piece of mail >>comes in, it checks to see whether it recognizes the address of the sender. >>If not, it issues a carefully drafted challenge, asking the sender politely >>to confirm that he is not a bulk sender of commercial mail by replying with >>a specified phrase in the subject field of the email. A freeware Java-based, open architected client-side proxy (ByProxy), which includes agents for SPAM filtration, auto pgp encrypt/decrypt among others is posted to www.besiex.com. It already has noCem and auto/manually builds a friends and enemies list (similar to MailGuard). --Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- reply to schear - at - lvdi - dot - net --- PGP mail preferred, see http://www.pgp.com and http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html RSA fingerprint: FE90 1A95 9DEA 8D61 812E CCA9 A44A FBA9 RSA key: http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=0x55C78B0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Letter of the law
by rdew＠el.nec.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ken, I guess I was thinking about the NSA, recording the message and deciding to make an example. They seem to do that occassionally just to keep the rest of us folks 'in line'. I can't see the INS even understanding what they were looking at, even if you showed them. "My, my, my! All those bits are really in that little box?" You have to understand the difference between a 'large possibility' and a 'fat chance', yes? Now, drugs! That they understand ... But a PKI key? Or, a file?? Or, a crypto program (especially renamed)??? What piece of this trick question am I missing? Bob De Witt, rdew(a)el.nec.com The views expressed herein are my own, and are not attributable to any other source, be it employer, friend or foe. > From jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu Tue Feb 17 10:56:22 1998 > X-Authentication-Warning: c00954-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu: jkwilli2 owned process doing -bs > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:56:29 -0500 (EST) > From: Ken Williams <jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu> > X-Sender: jkwilli2(a)c00954-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu > To: Bob De Witt <rdew(a)el.nec.com> > cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: Letter of the law > X-Copyright: The contents of this message may not be reproduced in any form > X-Copyright: (including Commercial use) unless specific permission is granted > X-Copyright: by the author of the message. All requests must be in writing. > X-Disclaimer: The contents of this email are for educational purposes only > X-Disclaimer: and do not reflect the thoughts or opinions of either myself > X-Disclaimer: or my employer and are not endorsed by sponsored by or provided > X-Disclaimer: on behalf of North Carolina State University. > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Bob De Witt wrote: > > >Doesn't the act of taking it across the border, in the laptop, constitute > >an act of export?? > > well, yes, of course. that was taken for granted in my comments. > likewise, if you go to a tattoo parlor and get the infamous 4 line > crypto-sig tattooed on your ass, then you are classified as a munition, > and you cannot leave the US. > > the only relevant question here regards the odds that a US Customs officer > is going to want you to drop your drawers and bend over... > ;-) > > ken > > >> >>I'm in El Paso Texas... so close to the border > >> >>I can see Old Mex outside my window as I write this.. > >> >>I'm over there nearly every day for lunch ( I actually > >> >>walk there from my house it's so close) If I write > >> >>a crypto program on my laptop over there and ftp > >> >>it to a web page I have on a server outside the US > >> >>will I have avoided the foolish export regs?? > >> >>Does anyone know of someone trying this before?? > >> > > >> >My guess is this: > >> > if it has the name of a US citizen in the copyright > >> >notice, it will be assumed to have been made in the > >> >US. if the morons even go after you. you still may have > >> >a plausable excuse if ever taken to court. > >> >after all, you "exported" youself, which is a perfectly > >> >legal thing to take out of the country, and "yourself" > >> >accidentally spewed a copy of something that couldn't > >> >cross the border. > >> >I don't think anybody has tried this and been challenged. > >> >then again, a lot of us don't have the opportunity. > >> >It's easier to ask forgivness than permission... > >> >Another easier excuse would be to publish it freely in > >> >hardcopy form, and just "happen" to have somebody end up > >> >"typing" in your source code abroad, making a legit > >> >international copy... > >> >-Anon2 > >> > >> i would think that the big question here, legally, is whether or not you > >> would be ustilizing a US ISP and/or cellular provider to make the upload > >> of the crypto program to the foreign server via ftp. as long as all the > >> packets stay outside of US borders, in other words, as long as you don't > >> use a US ISP and cellular provider, then i don't see how you would be > >> violating any laws in this case. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> TATTOOMAN > >> > >> http://152.7.11.38/~tattooman/ > >> > >Bob De Witt, > >rdew(a)el.nec.com > >The views expressed herein are my own, > >and are not attributable to any other > >source, be it employer, friend or foe. > > > > > > TATTOOMAN > > /--------------------------[ TATTOOMAN ]--------------------------\ > | ORG: NC State Computer Science Dept VP of The E. H. A. P. Corp. | > | EML: jkwilli2(a)adm.csc.ncsu.edu ehap(a)hackers.com | > | EML: jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu ehap-secure(a)hackers.com | > | WWW: http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jkwilli2/ http://www.hackers.com/ehap/ | > | FTP: ftp://152.7.11.38/pub/personal/tattooman/ | > | W3B: http://152.7.11.38/~tattooman/w3board/ | > | PGP: finger tattooman(a)152.7.11.38 | > \----------------[ http://152.7.11.38/~tattooman/ ]----------------/ > > >

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Re: Private schools as free speech havens?
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:56 PM -0800 2/17/98, Bennett Haselton wrote: >But you wouldn't ask them to accept discriminatory treatment that had >nothing to do with their disability, simply on the basis that the condition >causing them to be discriminated against would eventually go away. What is this "ask them to accept discriminatory treatment" nonsense? An employer should be free to hire and fire whom he chooses, based on the criteria he chooses. --Tim May Just Say No to "Big Brother Inside" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^3,021,377 | black markets, collapse of governments.

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Re: bugged?
by Ken Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Breezy wrote: >Babu Mengelepouti wrote: >> >> Ken Williams wrote: >> > >> > I got pgp 5.0. which will not work with your version. Upgrade man :-) >> >> He's the one who needs to change his version... to 2.6.x > >Why use 2.6.x vs 5.0? Is 5.0 not as stable or something? Not as good? >What's up? > >====/------ Breezy ----------------------------/ >===/---- ebresie(a)ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ----------/ >==/---- http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ebresie --/ > PGP v2.6.2 for UNIX is RSA, and cannot decrypt anything crypted with PGP v5.x. v5.0 for UNIX features the DSS/Diffie-Hellman algorithm that all the other 5.x versions have. v5.0 is stable, better, and is basically the current standard. it is more script-friendly and has a better command-line. basically, it really sucks when every encrypted message i have gotten in the past week was encrypted with RSA/DSS and i couldn't decrypt it with the v2.6.2 that is installed at work. due to space limitations on my volume server and our nihilistic copyrighted software policy, my only solution/option at the moment is to bring my laptop to work just for message decryption. i've sent in a software request for a PGP upgrade on the network, but due to the expensive PGP licensing agreements and the fact that we have close to 50,000 active users, i don't expect anything to be done. guess state employees don't have the right to privacy any more huh? and neither do the studnets here for that matter... TATTOOMAN work disclaimer: i lied and i'm legally insane.

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nobody(a)REPLAY.COM wrote: ----------------------------------------------------- Here is description of my stream cipher, it operates one ... ... VB source code: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------ Who the hell uses VB of all languages - to write a crypto algorithm? And, which sane person uses MicroSucks Winduhz?

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(forw) Re: Cypherpunks - Austin: Sat. Feb. 21 6-7pm, physical meet (fwd)
by Troy A. Bollinger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I made the mistake of replying back to austin-cpunks instead of this list. If anyone attending CFP this week in Austin would like to get together let me know. Or just show up on Saturday for the local meet. Thanks, Troy ----- Forwarded message from Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> ----- Message-Id: <199802181631.KAA11452(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: Re: Cypherpunks - Austin: Sat. Feb. 21 6-7pm, physical meet (fwd) To: austin-cpunks(a)ssz.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:31:27 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <19980218101742.09049(a)austin.ibm.com> from "Troy A. Bollinger" at Feb 18, 98 10:17:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-austin-cpunks(a)ssz.com Reply-To: austin-cpunks(a)ssz.com Hi Troy, > Well, I'm free to meet anytime this week. I don't know what the > schedule is for CFP, but if someone sends me a time and place I'll show > up. > > > Lots of us out-of-towners will be in Austin for CFP this week -- but the > > > conference ends on Friday. People start leaving that evening or the next > > > morning. And those of us are staying through Saturday are planning a day > > > trip outside of Austin that won't get us back by 6 pm. > > > > > > Why not have a pre-meet, or the meet itself, during CFP? You should send a notice to 'cypherpunks(a)ssz.com' so that your offer can be propogated to the entire crew quickly. Thanks for the effort. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Troy Bollinger troy(a)austin.ibm.com AIX Security Development security-alert(a)austin.ibm.com PGP keyid: 1024/0xB7783129 Troy's opinions are not IBM policy

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No Subject
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Two spam-ignorati wrote: >>Don't get me wrong; I don't *like* spam. But >>for me it's a minor problem, certainly not >>worthy of legal remedies. I'm willing to suffer >>a certain level of foolish annoyance gladly >>in return for liberty. >Same for me. I can delete commercial advertisements ("spam") in seconds. I used to have the same attitude. But then I started running a mail server. Routinely I find spammers attempting to use my server as a relay for their crap. The undeliverable notifications fill up my postmaster mail box so that I have to spend much more than "a few seconds" to sort out this virtual mail bomb from the legitimate notifications I need to do something about. Current I am chasing some asshole from ISP to ISP in Arizona, shutting him down only to have him get a new account with another ISP and "mail bomb" me from there. I would gladly prosecute, as this person is no better than a thief, stealing my resources and time so he can run his con. BTW, the reason I sent anon is so other spammers don't get my host name and try to use it as a relay.

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Re: News & Truth
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jefferson: >At a very early period in my life I determined never to put a sentence into >any newspaper. I have religously adhered to the resolution through my life >and have great reason to be contented with it. Were I to undertake to answer >the calumnies of the newspapers it would be more than my time and twenty >aids could effect. For, while I should be answering one, twenty new ones >would be invented. I have thought it better to trust to the justice of my >countrymen that they would judge me by what they see of my conduct on the >stage where they have placed me. a friend of mine is studying Hamilton vs. Jefferson. it turns out Hamilton loved newspapers and would write frequently under his own name, or under a variety of pseudonyms. one biographer states he assumed the personality of each as he wrote under them. I think Jefferson was at ill advantage in the face of Hamilton's tactics. >No Government ought to be without censors; and when the press is free, no >one ever will. Nature has given to man no other means of sifting out the >truth either in religion, law or politics. I think it as honorable to the >government neither to know nor notice its sycophants or censors as it would >be undignified and criminal to pamper the former and persecute the latter. this is pretty hard to parse until one understands that an old form of the word "censor", as I understand it, meant "to criticize". so "censor" as a noun and verb should be replaced with "critic" and "criticize" for the modern translation.

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