December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Global market going to the bears? [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: (eternity) mailing list and activity
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 11 Jan 1998 18:48:24 -0600, Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> wrote: >Wei Dai suggested that documents should be secret split in a redundant >fashion so that say 2 of 5 shares are required to reconstruct the >document. If the shares are distributed across different servers, >this ensures that one server does not directly hold the information. What prevents the operator of such a server from being charged with "conspiracy to provide child porn" or whatever? If he is holding a portion of such contraband, isn't he as liable as if he was holding the whole article(s)? -- Phelix

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >You're missing my point. If the society would benefit from a certain behavior, >it should not rely on coercion, but use economic motivation to encourage it. >Clearly NSF doesn't work any better than NEA. ........................................................................ Nah, I saw your point, but just forgot to mention it. I do agree with you, except a bit with the part about the source of encouragement (of course, I would agree against bringing coercion into the picture, banish the thought). To be even more precise about this, it is the ones in society whom you might imagine should provide 'encouragement', or 'incentivization', who need to develop an appreciation and recognition for certain values, since they're aiming for real benefits. Creative, inventive people don't really need that much motivation, but it's their potential market who could stand to 'graduate towards the light', so to speak. Then there would exist more educated, seeking, paying, clients/investors. In any case the creative types still have to, like most all other enterprises, search for the right market, the willing investor, the interested customer/client. It's a great thing that the net can now bring these two more easily together, helping each to find the other. Even if they still can't trust each other, but must resort to lawyers to keep things clear & clean and moral. (smiley) .. Blanc

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Trust through anonymity; time vaults
by Kay Ping 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Trust and anonymity may seem to be in contradiction but I intend to show how anonymity can be used to achieve trust. At the base of any cryptographic system is a trust model and it can only be as strong as the assumptions made by the trust model. Of special interest to us are distributed trust models. This posting was sent through a chain of remailers. I do not need to trust any of them completely, just assume that the chances that all of them are colluding or have been compromised by an attacker are low. Other types of services requiring a server infrastructure can be implemented using distributed trust models. For example, I can submit a document to be timestamped by several servers. Someone checking the validity of the combined timestamps can have higher assurance that the timestamp has not been generated by collusion between the document owner and the timestamping service or by a compromised timestamper key. Another type of service which can use a distributed trust model is a digital time vault which will be described later. One of the problems with distributed trust is reliability. A service can be interrupted by any of the servers going down. The overall reliability goes down exponentially with the number of servers. This can be solved for some types of services by using a secret-splitting algorithm requiring a minimum of N out of M parts. A user can select values of N and M that satisfy both his reliability requirements and his paranoia. But some are more paranoid than that. It may take a very large number of unrelated servers around the world to earn their trust and an even larger number to get acceptable reliability. To those I propose the following idea: Some of the servers will be anonymous. If they don't know each other, they can't collude. If they are anonymous it will be hard for an attacker to know which machine to break into. One of the problem with this approach is that an opponent with sufficient resources can set up a large number of anonymous servers and hope that a user chooses a set of servers of which at least N are under his control. If the user chooses a combination of anonymous and well-known servers he gets good protection against this scenario. Even if all the anonymous servers are run by <pick your favorite three letter acronym agency> it is unlikely that they will collude with servers run by, let's say, well-known remailer operators in other countries. Anonymous server operators may try to collude but selfishness will stand in their way: even if N-1 servers revealed their parts of the secret, the last one can always refuse to cooperate and use the information, so none of them has an incentive to reveal his part in the first place. Simultaneous secret trading protocols will not help- they cannot guarantee that a valid secret is contained in the message. The only way to get selfish operators to cooperate is using zero-knowledge proofs of their secrets. Zero-knowledge proofs work only for specific types of secrets. It may be possible to use secrets for which zero-knowledge proofs do not work. The specific service I had in mind for this distributed trust model is a digital time vault. It allows a sender to encrypt a message which can only be decrypted after a certain date. This is done by having a server generate secret/public key pairs for future dates, publish all public keys at once and publish the private key for each date at that date. Only after that date the message can be decrypted. For reliability and security the message (or the session key) can be split and encrypted it to the public keys of "next Friday" published by several different servers. This service can be used to send a public message that can only be read after a certain date, without any action required by the sender at that date. This may be useful if the sender suspects that he may be under arrest, dead or otherwise uncapable of getting online at the target date. Another possible use for this service is to destroy information to protect yourself against threats or court orders and still be able to recover it at a later date. Even if you don't actually do it, the existence of the service gives you plausible deniability. Many types of secret information are only secret for a limited time - until an announcement is made or a deal is signed. Encrypting a message to a future date as well as the intended recipient allows storing the message in an unsecured archive for later reference. This service can be implemented using existing software like PGP without secret splitting algorithms: a conventional encryption passphrase is encrypted to several different chains of public keys of the same date on different servers, using combinations that create the same N out of M result. Since the time servers do not receive any information or participate in the process in any way they will not generate any significant load except during initial key generation. They can also be kept anonymous very easily and cannot be held accountable for anyone's use of the service. The servers will still attract attacks. Anonymous servers will get some protection against this since their location is not known. Public servers can protect themselves by encrypting future private keys to future date keys on other servers and keep encrypted backups off-site. This should be done carefully to ensure that future keys will not be lost because of loops or servers going down. Anyone wants to run such a service? You can run either an anonymous or public server. You should run a public server only if you think your reputation is good and you public key is trusted by many people. If you want to run an anonymous server generate a new key without email or any other identification except a pseudonym for the server. You must commit to maintaining the service for a minimum period and publish all the private keys for which you published the initial public keys, but never before their time. The trial period for this service will be three months and the interval will be one week, posted at midnight on the beginning of the week, GMT. Date keys must be signed by the server key. Date private keys must have an empty passphrase so they can be used by anyone after they are published. Until then they should be secured for storage. Date Key IDs consists of a date in YYYYMMDD format followed by the server name. The name may be followed by an optional email address of the maintainer. For the trial period keys should be published to alt.privacy.anon-server and the list. Lists of public keys and past private keys should be available through http, ftp or finger. If you run an anonymous server you may ask someone, preferably a maintainer of a public server, to get your lists and make them available. The trial will let us experiment with this trust model and see if anyone thinks of interesting ways to use the service. - ----------------- Kay Ping nop 'til you drop finger kping(a)nym.alias.net for key DF 6D 91 18 A6 59 41 96 - 89 01 69 B7 9D0 4 AE 53 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: cp850 iQEPAwUBNLnGZRHPAso8Qp7tAQHnkwfQ9BpL82R1Mw1WY9EnOaFuXme+2y+OZZ60 Cb41fVtlSDC9EmAjAuV9K1dDP7FVGwFzGQ5j04IjgLocMbUgEyZDkKoFhe2Hgasw XU2ick5adCsvA8I0USfMVeQj2L6tkzc+hr4l9NXH7AGEQQGZu2iZTlDNn72FNBeo 7gPjxj8/a/T2+zKMyJbS2ujYa4ZBuypXpQg2UaQ42m1uKUz/ymJFXcm51X1Do3hJ TC2tvIST+v/cfYesblhAR1kRVAiKL+YUagLeWMU1I5X64E2MKVctOiPWBSHCLgQ0 LKtrwIHIvrIP2z0FMquR5GricvrLdFid89vtZFb1n8quQg== =uVxx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: (eternity) mailing list and activity
by Robert A. Costner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:52 AM 1/12/98 GMT, phelix(a)vallnet.com wrote: >What prevents the operator of such a server from being charged with >"conspiracy to provide child porn" or whatever? If he is holding a portion >of such contraband, isn't he as liable as if he was holding the whole >article(s)? In the US, the remaining provisions of the CDA would shield an ISP from prosecution concerning child porn. In fact most everything but intellectual property cases, which may be shielded by other means. If the eternity server acts merely as a pipeline, without the operators participating or encouraging illegal activities, then there is a good chance that the eternity server could be treated as a service provider in the same fashion and be immune from prosecution directly. -- Robert Costner Phone: (770) 512-8746 Electronic Frontiers Georgia mailto:pooh@efga.org http://www.efga.org/ run PGP 5.0 for my public key

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by westcomm＠teleport.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Contests of the Century Remember SpitFire Grill? Well, David Persha, owner of House on the Hill Motel in Oceanside, Oregon, is giving away his 16-room motel in a very unique contest! Each guest room has a wonderful view of the ocean, and 8 rooms feature full kitchens. There is also a large conference room, as well as other quality amenities! The motel sits on over 45,000 square feet of land, with the main building's having been constructed in 1990. The motel is a turnkey operation in beautiful shape, with an approximate Market Value of $1.5 Million according to an appraisal performed 4 years ago. Mr. Persha is 71 years old and is looking for new blood to take over his motel! The contest conforms fully to all national,international, and Oregon law, thereby making it open to anybody in the world over 18 years of age. The Motel WILL BE yours debt-free if you submit a valid entry and the winning 250 word essay, which will be judged for originality and wit, inspiration, creativity, expression of thought, human interest, and "the conveyance of a genuine desire to run a motel on the (Oregon) coast." For complete rules and and entry form, please send $10 to cover the cost of handling to Contest Guidelines, West Coast Communications, P.O. Box 7434 Salem, OR 97303. For quickest response please include email address. DEADLINE FOR COMPLETED ENTRIES IS FEBRUARY 20. 1998, so ACT NOW! Please make checks payable to West Coast Communications. West Coast Communications P.O. Box 7434 Salem, OR 97303 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SEE BELOW FOR SPECIAL RATE on BOTH contests! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "WIN-A-TOWN" IN AUSTIN, OREGON!! Another great contest! Like SpitFire Grill and Persha's Motel Contest (above), Leonard West is giving away his tavern in Austin, Oregon! Eastern Oregon . . . closely knit families, neighbors down the road. . . a great place to raise a family! And, "WIN-a-TOWN!" (The Austin House, 225 miles east of Portland, Oregon, consists of a tavern, restaurant, grocery store, post office, garage and gas pumps.) This is the REAL WEST. So ruggedly picturesque, that a Marlboro ad was shot nearby. The property WILL BE yours if you submit the winning 250 word essay, whichwill be judged for appreciation of the establishment and its charms, "plus a willingness to honor its. . .traditions." For complete rules and and entry form, please send $10 to cover the cost of postage to West Coast Communications, P.O. Box 7434 Salem, OR 97303. you may send questions and comments to mailto: westcomm(a)teleport.com for a very short time. We are changing servers on January 10, so address will change. For quickest response please include email address. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU WOULD LIKE INFORMATION ABOUT **both** CONTESTS, THE TOTAL CHARGE IS ONLY 15.00! PLEASE SEND CHECK FOR 15.00 for information about ENTRY, RULES, and DEADLINES FOR BOTH CONTESTS! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GGGG OOO OOO DDDD LL UU UU CCCC K K !! GG OO OO OO OO DD DD LL UU UU CC K K !! GG GGG OO OO OO OO DD DD LL UU UU CC K K !! GGGG OOO OOO DDDD LLLLL UUU CCCC K K !! West Coast Communications does not own property which is involved in these contests. West Coast Communications is not a judge in these contests, nor are we responsible in any way for the contents of, or the contest rules.

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