December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Letter of the law
by rdew＠el.nec.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ken, I guess I was thinking about the NSA, recording the message and deciding to make an example. They seem to do that occassionally just to keep the rest of us folks 'in line'. I can't see the INS even understanding what they were looking at, even if you showed them. "My, my, my! All those bits are really in that little box?" You have to understand the difference between a 'large possibility' and a 'fat chance', yes? Now, drugs! That they understand ... But a PKI key? Or, a file?? Or, a crypto program (especially renamed)??? What piece of this trick question am I missing? Bob De Witt, rdew(a)el.nec.com The views expressed herein are my own, and are not attributable to any other source, be it employer, friend or foe. > From jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu Tue Feb 17 10:56:22 1998 > X-Authentication-Warning: c00954-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu: jkwilli2 owned process doing -bs > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:56:29 -0500 (EST) > From: Ken Williams <jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu> > X-Sender: jkwilli2(a)c00954-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu > To: Bob De Witt <rdew(a)el.nec.com> > cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: Letter of the law > X-Copyright: The contents of this message may not be reproduced in any form > X-Copyright: (including Commercial use) unless specific permission is granted > X-Copyright: by the author of the message. All requests must be in writing. > X-Disclaimer: The contents of this email are for educational purposes only > X-Disclaimer: and do not reflect the thoughts or opinions of either myself > X-Disclaimer: or my employer and are not endorsed by sponsored by or provided > X-Disclaimer: on behalf of North Carolina State University. > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Bob De Witt wrote: > > >Doesn't the act of taking it across the border, in the laptop, constitute > >an act of export?? > > well, yes, of course. that was taken for granted in my comments. > likewise, if you go to a tattoo parlor and get the infamous 4 line > crypto-sig tattooed on your ass, then you are classified as a munition, > and you cannot leave the US. > > the only relevant question here regards the odds that a US Customs officer > is going to want you to drop your drawers and bend over... > ;-) > > ken > > >> >>I'm in El Paso Texas... so close to the border > >> >>I can see Old Mex outside my window as I write this.. > >> >>I'm over there nearly every day for lunch ( I actually > >> >>walk there from my house it's so close) If I write > >> >>a crypto program on my laptop over there and ftp > >> >>it to a web page I have on a server outside the US > >> >>will I have avoided the foolish export regs?? > >> >>Does anyone know of someone trying this before?? > >> > > >> >My guess is this: > >> > if it has the name of a US citizen in the copyright > >> >notice, it will be assumed to have been made in the > >> >US. if the morons even go after you. you still may have > >> >a plausable excuse if ever taken to court. > >> >after all, you "exported" youself, which is a perfectly > >> >legal thing to take out of the country, and "yourself" > >> >accidentally spewed a copy of something that couldn't > >> >cross the border. > >> >I don't think anybody has tried this and been challenged. > >> >then again, a lot of us don't have the opportunity. > >> >It's easier to ask forgivness than permission... > >> >Another easier excuse would be to publish it freely in > >> >hardcopy form, and just "happen" to have somebody end up > >> >"typing" in your source code abroad, making a legit > >> >international copy... > >> >-Anon2 > >> > >> i would think that the big question here, legally, is whether or not you > >> would be ustilizing a US ISP and/or cellular provider to make the upload > >> of the crypto program to the foreign server via ftp. as long as all the > >> packets stay outside of US borders, in other words, as long as you don't > >> use a US ISP and cellular provider, then i don't see how you would be > >> violating any laws in this case. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> TATTOOMAN > >> > >> http://152.7.11.38/~tattooman/ > >> > >Bob De Witt, > >rdew(a)el.nec.com > >The views expressed herein are my own, > >and are not attributable to any other > >source, be it employer, friend or foe. > > > > > > TATTOOMAN > > /--------------------------[ TATTOOMAN ]--------------------------\ > | ORG: NC State Computer Science Dept VP of The E. H. A. P. Corp. | > | EML: jkwilli2(a)adm.csc.ncsu.edu ehap(a)hackers.com | > | EML: jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu ehap-secure(a)hackers.com | > | WWW: http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jkwilli2/ http://www.hackers.com/ehap/ | > | FTP: ftp://152.7.11.38/pub/personal/tattooman/ | > | W3B: http://152.7.11.38/~tattooman/w3board/ | > | PGP: finger tattooman(a)152.7.11.38 | > \----------------[ http://152.7.11.38/~tattooman/ ]----------------/ > > >

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Doesn't the act of taking it across the border, in the laptop, constitute >an act of export?? Well, yes it would, but the original scenario includes WRITING the code outside of the US, which means it never was a US creation, even if the creature that happened to be writing the code was native to the US. The question is whether the dude could pull a stunt like this and get away with it. I'd say go for it. You got a plausible loophole to a stupid law that might not hold in court anyways. -Anon

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description of my stream cipher
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: description of my stream cipher From: Jouni Vuorio <Jouni.Vuorio(a)vtoy.fi> Date: 1998/02/17 Message-ID: <34E9D794.371(a)vtoy.fi> Newsgroups: sci.crypt [Subscribe to sci.crypt] [More Headers] Here is description of my stream cipher, it operates one byte at time, instead of one bit at time. itŽs key length is up to 255 bytes (2040 bits) im sure that there are no need for longer description, becourse that vb source code explanes details. only thing that could be difficult to understund is Asc(Mid(Text2, R2 - 1, 1)) that simppely means that take asci value from text (in this case string text2) starting from R2 - 1 and length of 1. i think that everyone understunds the rest. VB source code: Initializing the substitution-box On Error Resume Next D = Len(Key) R = 1 For R2 = 1 To 256 H1 = Asc(Mid(Text2, R2 - 1, 1)) K1 = Asc(Mid(Text2, R, 1)) K2 = Asc(Mid(Text2, D Mod Len(Text2), 1)) K3 = Asc(Mid(Text2, D * R Mod Len(Text2), 1)) K4 = Asc(Mid(Text2, R + D Mod Len(Text2), 1)) R1 = ((R1 + R2 + K + 1) Xor (R1 * R2 + 1)) Mod 256 R3 = ((R3 + R1 + 1) + R2 + (R1 * K + 1 Mod (R3 + R1 + 1))) Mod 256 R4 = (R4 + R3 + R1 + 1) ^ 2 Mod 256 R = R + 1 If (R - 1) = Len(Text2) Then R = 1 C = (C + (H1 + K1 + K2 + K3 + K4 + D + R1 + R3 + R4) Mod 256) Mod 256 C = C Mod 256 SBox = SBox & Chr(C Mod 255 + 1) Next On Error Resume Next Key = Text2 texti = Text1 Text1 = "" R = 1 S1 = Len(Key) S2 = 11 For R2 = 1 To Len(texti) C = Asc(Mid(texti, R2, 1)) - 1 K = (K + Asc(Mid(Key, R2 Mod Len(Key), 1))) Mod 256 K = (K + Asc(Mid(SBox, (((K * R2 Mod 256) - 255) * -1) Mod 257, 1))) Mod 256 R1 = ((R1 + R2 + K) Xor (R1 * R2)) Mod 256 R3 = ((R3 + R1) + R2 + (R1 * K Mod (R3 + R1))) Mod 256 R4 = (R4 + R3 + R1) ^ 2 Mod 256 F1 = (F1 + (Asc(Mid(SBox, R1 Mod 256, 1)) Mod 256) Mod 256) F2 = (F2 + (Asc(Mid(SBox, R2 Mod 256, 1)) Mod 256) Mod 256) F3 = (F3 + (Asc(Mid(SBox, R3 Mod 256, 1)) Mod 256) Mod 256) F4 = (F4 + (Asc(Mid(SBox, R4 Mod 256, 1)) Mod 256) Mod 256) F5 = (F5 + (Asc(Mid(SBox, K Mod 256, 1)) Mod 256) Mod 256) temp = F1 + F2 + F3 + F4 + F5 + M Mod 256 F = (F + (Asc(Mid(SBox, temp, 1)) Mod 256) Mod 256) M = M + 1 If M = 2 Then M = 0 If M = 0 Then C = C Xor ((F + K) Mod 256) If M = 1 Then C = C Xor ((((F + K) Mod 256) - 255) * -1) C = (C Mod 256) + 1 Mid(texti, R2, 1) = Chr(C) Next Text1 = texti -- Jouni.vuorio(a)vtoy.fi GSM 050-5456235 PahaeNTeistä soNTaa viNTiöt peNTteihin aseNTavat...

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Handling spam
by The Sheriff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nobody(a)REPLAY.COM wrote: ----------------------------------------------------- Here is description of my stream cipher, it operates one ... ... VB source code: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------ Who the hell uses VB of all languages - to write a crypto algorithm? And, which sane person uses MicroSucks Winduhz?

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Stupid Law
by rdew＠el.nec.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yes, it is. Even if he wrote a program in Mexico, but carried his laptop back and forth daily, each piece can come into the US, but cannot leave again! Uuuuuuuuummmmmmm, gooooood! Read the actual documents. Bob De Witt, rdew(a)el.nec.com > From anon(a)anon.efga.org Tue Feb 17 19:44:29 1998 > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:08:26 -0500 > From: Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> > Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. > It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. > Please report problems or inappropriate use to the > remailer administrator at <admin(a)anon.efga.org>. > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > > >Doesn't the act of taking it across the border, in the laptop, constitute > >an act of export?? > > Well, yes it would, but the original scenario includes WRITING the code > outside of the US, which means it never was a US creation, even if the > creature that happened to be writing the code was native to the US. > > The question is whether the dude could pull a stunt like this and get > away with it. I'd say go for it. You got a plausible loophole to a > stupid law that might not hold in court anyways. > > -Anon > > >

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Squelch discussions of the "spam problem"
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Several lists I'm on are beating the spam problem once again. What to do about it, whether government should step in, and so on. Look, folks, I guarantee that the more everyone talks about the "spam problem," even if most of us don't think it's a pressing problem, the more likely it is that spam legislation will be introduced. And that won't be good, whatever one thinks of spam. Congress operates by catering to special interests and popular calls for "action." Doesn't matter to them what action they take, so long as they can hold up their "Digital Protectin and Children's Safe Surfing Act of 1998" legislation. The more jostling and chatter that goes on, the more likely Congressional aides will start drawing up legislative language. So, even if you think spam is a serious problem, I urge you to suppress the desire to throw your two cents in on what kind of a horrible thing it is, how its corrupting the nation's precious bodily fluids, and how *something* must be done! I guarantee you won't like the results you get, no matter your views on spam. --Tim May Just Say No to "Big Brother Inside" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^3,021,377 | black markets, collapse of governments.

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