December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

We've been found out
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Damn! I thought we had everyone fooled. Some pissant wrote: Death of a Legend / The Truth About the CypherPunks: The CypherPunks have long been renowned as standing at the bleeding edge of the burdgeoning computer technology which is rapidly changing the face of our planet and the governmental, civil, and social societies encompassed within this celestial orb. Harbingers of the Digital Future / Pioneers of Future Technology / etc., etc. Bullshit... The CypherPunks are rag-tag band of infantile, pseudo-anarchistic, pseudo- cryptic, well-educated shit-disturbers who take great pleasure in pissing on themselves, each other, and the world around them--all the while, covering their motivations and ambitions with high-sounding ideals intended to disguise the fact that none of them ever received proper toilet-training. The end result? No matter how high they pile it, how far they spread it, or how badly it smells when you step in it, they end up coming off as the Henry Kissinger's of CyberSpace, because no matter how much rotten meat, jalapenos and moldy cheese they eat, they can never manage to crap out anything so vile and foul- smelling that the world-at-large cannot prove prophetic in MeatSpace.

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Re: (none)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous asks: > If its so easy to make your own biological weapons, > hoembrewed in a bathtub (or vat or whatever), how > about posting some web links or pointers? > > If its so easy why haven't more downtrodden > Americans (there are a lot of loonies in this > country) tried this stuff out yet? Because it's so easy to kill yourself doing so.

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RE: bugged?
by Pearson Shane 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Alan, I thought he was refering to that too, but notice he says the beep is before the negotiation, just after the dialing. Bye for now. > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Olsen [SMTP:alan@clueserver.org] > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 7:06 AM > To: Ken Williams > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com; dc-stuff(a)dis.org; > hh-chat(a)gateway-1.secureservers.net > Subject: Re: bugged? > > At 06:20 AM 2/16/98 -0500, Ken Williams wrote: > > > >anybody have any ideas here? this is a personal email forwarded to > me > >from a friend who *might* have cause to believe he is bugged. this > is > >coming from a .au domain, btw. > > Sounds like he has a 56k modem and his ISP just upgraded to the same > sort > of 56k modem he has. That is part of the protocol negotiation. (In > the > future, it will take 30 minutes to finish connecting with a modem, but > we > will all get 666k transmission speed over normal phone lines.) > > > > >thanx, > > > >TATTOOMAN > > > >http://152.7.11.38/~tattooman > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:41:23 +0930 > >From: XXX(a)XXX.XXX > >To: jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu > >Subject: PGP > > > >Yo tat, > > > >I got pgp 5.0. which will not work with your version. Upgrade man :-) > > > >Oh well I'll tell ya without pgp. It's not that much of a problem the > >question I wanted to ask you (well I hope it's not). > > > >Anyway, what I wanted to ask you is whether you might know why I'm > getting > >a very DISTINCTIVE beep when I connect with my modem to my ISP. The > >beep(only once) comes just after the initial dialup and just before > all the > >noise you get before the connection. > > > >Sounds wierd and it only started 2 days ago. I never heard a > connection > >like this before and I'm wondering whether my phone line is being > tapped. > > > >Any suggestions ?? > > > >XXXXX > > > >P.S. Just in case my mail is being read by someone other than > >Tattooman..here's to you (_|_) > > > > > --- > | "That'll make it hot for them!" - Guy Grand > | > |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: > | > | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man > | > |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the > keyboard.| > | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ > |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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by Wei Dai 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A payment mix is like an email mix, but instead of mixing and remailing emails, it mixes and repays payments. This would be useful when the payment system itself does not offer anonymity. A payment mix basicly turns any traceable payment system into an anonymous one. Payment mixes could be chained for additional security, just like email mixes. But by using blind signatures this could also be avoided. In that case the payment mix would be acting like a mini ecash mint. To illustrate how it would work, suppose Alice wants to give $1 to Bob. 1. Alice pays $1 to the payment mix using the traceable payment system. 2. In exchange, the payment mix issues Alice $1 in blinded (Chaumian) ecash. 3. Alice gives the ecash to Bob. 4. Bob gives the ecash back to the payment mix. 5. The payment mix pays Bob $1 using the traceable payment system. Notice that because of blinding, in step 4 the payment mix cannot connect the ecash it gets from Bob to the ecash it issued to Alice. This is a pretty simple idea, but I don't remember if we talked about it here already. If blinding is used, a payment mix would basicly BE an ecash mint, except the cash it issues would be held only momentarily by its users. Because its total outstanding liability at any given moment would be fairly low, a payment mix would only have to be minimally trusted.

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Re: Letter of the law
by rdew＠el.nec.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Doesn't the act of taking it across the border, in the laptop, constitute an act of export?? > From jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu Sat Feb 14 02:07:45 1998 > X-Authentication-Warning: c00954-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu: jkwilli2 owned process doing -bs > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 04:27:29 -0500 (EST) > From: Ken Williams <jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu> > X-Sender: jkwilli2(a)c00954-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: Letter of the law > X-Copyright: The contents of this message may not be reproduced in any form > X-Copyright: (including Commercial use) unless specific permission is granted > X-Copyright: by the author of the message. All requests must be in writing. > X-Disclaimer: The contents of this email are for educational purposes only > X-Disclaimer: and do not reflect the thoughts or opinions of either myself > X-Disclaimer: or my employer and are not endorsed by sponsored by or provided > X-Disclaimer: on behalf of North Carolina State University. > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Anonymous wrote: > > >>I'm in El Paso Texas... so close to the border > >>I can see Old Mex outside my window as I write this.. > >>I'm over there nearly every day for lunch ( I actually > >>walk there from my house it's so close) If I write > >>a crypto program on my laptop over there and ftp > >>it to a web page I have on a server outside the US > >>will I have avoided the foolish export regs?? > >>Does anyone know of someone trying this before?? > > > >My guess is this: > > if it has the name of a US citizen in the copyright > >notice, it will be assumed to have been made in the > >US. if the morons even go after you. you still may have > >a plausable excuse if ever taken to court. > >after all, you "exported" youself, which is a perfectly > >legal thing to take out of the country, and "yourself" > >accidentally spewed a copy of something that couldn't > >cross the border. > >I don't think anybody has tried this and been challenged. > >then again, a lot of us don't have the opportunity. > >It's easier to ask forgivness than permission... > >Another easier excuse would be to publish it freely in > >hardcopy form, and just "happen" to have somebody end up > >"typing" in your source code abroad, making a legit > >international copy... > >-Anon2 > > i would think that the big question here, legally, is whether or not you > would be ustilizing a US ISP and/or cellular provider to make the upload > of the crypto program to the foreign server via ftp. as long as all the > packets stay outside of US borders, in other words, as long as you don't > use a US ISP and cellular provider, then i don't see how you would be > violating any laws in this case. > > Regards, > > TATTOOMAN > > http://152.7.11.38/~tattooman/ > Bob De Witt, rdew(a)el.nec.com The views expressed herein are my own, and are not attributable to any other source, be it employer, friend or foe.

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The danger of certificates
by Henri La Bouche 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

IMHO there is a serious situation creeping up that I have not seen much attention on. That is the use of certificates to encrypt e-mail. I think these are two entirely separate subjects and unless the distinction is made and people are made to see it strong encryption will be next to useless. If I may draw an analogy (albeit flawed <g>). Using a certificate to sign or encrypt a message is akin to notarizing a document. Using strong encryption is akin to putting snail mail in an envelope before sending. To have to notarize every piece of mail you send, or to be required to go to the post office and show ID in order to send mail would be a gross invasion of privacy and completely unacceptable. Yet this is what is done when using certificates to encrypt e-mail. Currently this use of certificates is not widespread, but if any lesson is to be learned from the "browser wars" is that if you give it away people will use it regardless of quality. And in America especially, if something requires brains or intelligence to use you know right off that the general public will not accept it. As e-mail becomes more and more the standard it will be easy to whip the populace into a frenzy regarding "privacy" and spam then provide the simple and easy method of using certificates as a standard. Let's put on the black hat for a moment and create a plan. We want to snooker the public into believing it has security through strong encryption and yet we have the ability to track connections and communications. Further we would like to get a net gain of intel, not just replace the current system with something new. The primary goals would be 1. Knock out any competing encryption system. 2. Provide a system that is apparently strong but is not. The best way to defeat number one is to give away number two (pun intended). The specs for such a system would be: 1. A backdoor or key escrow or other method to easily decrypt the information sent. 2. A means to trace all messages back to the actual originator. 3. A means to know who is the true recipient. 4. User friendly (no-brainer). 5. It must provide benefits above and beyond encryption and digital signatures. 6. Acceptable to the general public. The simplest method of creating key escrow is to have a single source for issuing keys. If people are unable to create their own keys then there will be no problem with having to break unknown keys. To make this acceptable to the populace there has to be an apparent benefit. If the keys are issued by a "trusted" authority who supposedly takes great pains to verify identity before issuing a key, then the people don't have to think or be bother to look for deceit. The authority will be there to ensure it never happens. This system also provides traceability of originator and recipient. To make it user friendly, make it password free, fully integrated into the e-mail client and fully transparent to the user. Additional benefits could be the noted above "trusted" authority factor as well as whipping up a frenzy about "hackers" reading your mail and doing horrible things, which will be prevented if your just use our encryption. Also "faster" protocols can be invented that whisk certificate encrypted mail through the internet faster and more reliably. Use of certificates can eliminate spam, simply filter out all mail that is not encrypted with one of our certificates, after all, if someone doesn't use our certificate then they must have something to hide. Making it acceptable would require that it appear to be not controlled by the government and then run a PR campaign selling it. First off have a few large corporations back it, have the certificates issued by an apparently private corporation and finally have athlete and movie star endorsements, i.e. "Got Encryption". The political deviants who refuse to use this system will be easy to isolate and target. Henri <hedgehog(a)anon.efga.org>

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