December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Gene Engineered Drug Production
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, The topic of producing recreational pharmacuticals via gene engineered organisms is an interesting topic and one we discussed at least briefly 3-4 years ago. Might be worth reviewing the archives. There are some issues that I believe have kept this from being a commen practice: * Other than Marijuana and Cocaine most of the street pharmacuticals base chemicals take too much post-production to get them to a usable result. Either the process is something without an analog in the cellular systems or else it requires chemicals that don't occur in nature in great quantities and are such that you wouldn't want it produced inside the person taking the material. * Marijuana's complete gene map has only been available for a little over 2 years. * Educational and commercial institutions are not going to allow those with access either time or supplies to complete the project. * The LEA's and drug cartels would hunt the original designer(s) down and most likely terminate with extreme prejudice. You would be taking money from their mouths (so to speak). * Currently there is no country who has a legal structure such that they would be an acceptable haven. * Where's the profit? The person who creates it most definitely will not get rich. Just imagine filing your patent app. * E. coli or cooking yeast seem to be the best target. Both are fully mapped and acceptable to human systems. * In the case of Marijuana the chemicals produced by the genes are further processed and THC gets produced at this stage. This means the entire 2-tier process must be moved over. Neither yeast or E. Coli have this process in place (both being animals that isn't a surprise). This complicates the process greatly. * We are just waiting for some bright sole who believes that not only should "information be free" but so should drugs and is willing to spend 20 years or so on the run. * Regulation of production is a big unsolved problem. Assume for a moment that you have ingested some yeast that is producing TCH. How do you turn the regulation up or down? How do you keep the production from running away? Most drugs LD50 is simply way too low for such ad hoc regulation, drugs like TCH and LSD have ingestion levels of such magnitude that LD50 becomes a side issue. LSD would have a self regulating effect so it would be mediated irrespective of the level produced. THC on the other hand if not regulated would keep you in a sleepy daze most of the time. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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Seeing Both Sides
by Magus Mixmaster Anonymous Remailer Service 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bob Hettinga wrote: >But then, logic, much less independent thinking, was never >Foucault's strong point. I took this statement at face value, but out of curiousity I decided to find out who this guy Foucault was. The things I read about him lead me to believe otherwise. Some quotes from Michel Foucault: "The judges of normality are present everywhere. We are in the society of the teacher-judge, the doctor-judge, the educator-judge, the 'social worker'-judge." "Prison continues, on those who are entrusted to it, a work begun elsewhere, which the whole of society pursues on each individual through innumerable mechanisms of discipline." How quick we are to condemn those who step out of the "norm", no? As soon as someone says something even slightly controversial, our inner censors rush in to separate ourselves from that person, to chastise him, to condemn him, regardless of the relationship we have developed with him in the past. There is this unfortunate property in man that leads him to disassociate himself from the ideas he holds true if it is convenient, and especially if it will allow him to avoid the ridicule, hatred and disdain of others. In the never ending "pursuit of happiness" we seek to make our lives so comfortable that we will give up that which we hold dearest. "The work of an intellectual is not to mould the political will of others; it is, through the analyses that he does in his own field, to re-examine evidence and assumptions, to shake up habitual ways of working and thinking, to dissipate conventional familiarities, to re-evaluate rules and institutions and...to participate in the formation of a political will (where he has his role as citizen to play)." In other words, to make people think. This is the goal of the intellectual. To subtly influence the mass of humanity by appealing to their minds, their reason, instead of their base instincts and emotions. Tolerance and acceptance are results brought about in us by communion with the mind, that which is greatest in us. Hatred, persecution, violence are what we fall back upon when we cease to live to our fullest potential. We degenerate into the animals we once were. Once again, Bob wrote: >The world's foremost pseudomystical relativist cited to support an >absolutist position. The logic escapes me. But then, logic, much less >independent thinking, was never Foucault's strong point. Perhaps one way of looking at it is that if you can't see the black and the white, you're missing the whole picture. After all, who would think that one would need to use an anonymous remailer and a pseudonym to express oneself in a free and open society such as ours? Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNGu85OFWwZe05jcJAQGvYwgAlI0R3rJW67A9fFIs9ai5FY/jEAwV2oQ1 112bd/UmgfJ11DYPWUpG6GKt2XcBUd6UfYPnidY27hT+GGBTTKjAeF88z0XMu6Ep jWUPllwb0Dw5or1o9IBg8ZAOPaAu/SMy9yVgcfaEbAqmfNken+dBhbfoAORjaLd8 BJSYCGs1Bw3Aw1gE7e3aJdjlYs/gKKNkoTQCkgkt6VBBCEQ7dXG1qbq2BTYS3py9 meK2utOM+YLG/+bJSoGRLT5oFiIpnYrkIwAziAtO7WAfydq+vwf8EsTdnX5mwUxg THngvvyaAbZtVm/yObAPgifbfpfDbnfYOL/rrJQzGMXVJCUBNKTQKg== =zZLC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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A Leaner's as good as a Ringer! / WAS: Asleep on Crime
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* In June, the Court of Appeal in London, England, turned down Thomas Moringiello's challenge to his fraud conviction and 18- month prison sentence. Although Moringiello was able to prove that Judge Richard Hamilton had slept through portions of the testimony at trial the year before, the higher court said Moringiello was not harmed because Hamilton still was able to give a summary of the case for the jury's deliberation. ~~~~~~~ To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.)

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Progressive Government Programs That WORK!!!
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sampler-request(a)lmboyd.com wrote: > > ====================================================== > The powerful William the Conqueror became the even more > powerful Duke of Normandy, and thereafter enforced the > Truce of God. It forbade violence on Mondays, Tuesdays, > Thursdays and Fridays. This cut murderers down to a > three-day week. > ============================================== > > LMBoyd Web Site / U. S. Newspapers / Start Email / Stop Email > http://www.LMBoyd.com/postscript.htm

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Microsoft Addresses Justice Department Accusations
by semprini＠theschool.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Microsoft Addresses Justice Department Accusations REDMOND, Wash. -- Oct. 21, 1997 -- In direct response to accusations made by the Department of Justice, Microsoft Corporation announced today it will be acquiring the Federal Government of the United States of America for an undisclosed sum. "It's actually a logical extension of our growth," said Microsoft chairman and CEO Bill Gates. "It's a positive arrangement for everyone." Microsoft representatives held a briefing at the Oval Office with US President Bill Clinton, and assured members of the press that changes to US Government policy will be "minimal." The United States will be managed as a wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft Corp. An initial public offering is planned for July 4 of next year, and the Federal Government is expected to be profitable by 1999, according to Microsoft president Steve Ballmer. In a related announcement, President Bill Clinton stated that he had "willingly and enthusiastically" accepted a position as vice president of USA Operations with Microsoft, and will continue to manage the United States government, reporting directly to Microsoft chairman and CEO Bill Gates. When asked how it felt to give up the mantle of executive authority, Clinton smiled and referred to it as "a relief." He went on to say that Gates has a "proven track record," and that US citizens should offer Gates their "full support and confidence." In his new role at Microsoft, Clinton will reportedly be earning several times the $200,000 annually he currently earns as US president. Gates dismissed a rumor that the US Capitol be moved to Redmond as "silly," though he did say he would make executive decisions for the US government from his existing office at Microsoft headquarters. Gates did say, however, that the US House and Senate would "of course" be abolished. "Microsoft isn't a democracy," Gates said, "yet look how well we're doing." When asked if the rumored attendant acquisition of Canada was proceeding, Gates would only say that Microsoft doesn't comment on unannounced products. Microsoft representatives closed the conference by stating that United States citizens will be able to expect lower taxes, increases in government services, discounts on all Microsoft products, and the immediate arrest of all executive officials of Sun Microsystems Inc. and Netscape Corp. About Microsoft - Founded in 1975, Microsoft (NASDAQ "MSFT") is the worldwide leader in software for personal computers, and democratic government. The company offers a wide range of products and services for public, business and personal use, each designed with the mission of making it easier and more enjoyable for people to take advantage of the full power of personal computing and mostly free society every day. About the United States - Founded in 1776, the United States of America is the most successful nation n the history of the world, and has been a beacon of democracy and opportunity for over 200 years. Headquartered in Washington, DC, the United States is a wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation. "The United States of America" and "Microsoft" are registered trademarks of Microsoft Corporation.

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Re: Key Signing
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bill Stewart wrote: > At 01:21 AM 11/10/1997 +0100, Necessarily Knot, ME wrote: > >I am including the key (below) for my new nym, which has not been used > >before, and would like for people to sign it and send the signed key > >to the list. > >This way, people will know by the signature, that it is, indeed: > >Necessarily Knot, ME > > This was bizarre - what did you do to create the key and the ASCII version? > I imported the key into my PGP 5.0, and saw the double-key icon, > which says I have the private key as well as the public key, > and sure enough, it was willing to let me change the passphrase > (which was previously not set.) I was testing the procedure outlined in Epilogue 5 of InfoWar on a friend's machine and, sure enough, I got PGP 2.62 to spit out the private key he had created as Necessarily Knott, ME. > I'm not sure how comfortable I am signing a key which has the > private keys made public - so I signed it, and revoked it, > and you're welcome to the signed revocation certificate :-) Perhaps we have inadvertently taken key-signing to a new level. i.e. - develop software that will allow a user to have another user sign the key and then, when revoked, the software allows the user to sign with the revoked key, but not to recreate it or change it in any way. The software could be marketed to cryptographers with low self-esteem. > The keyserver says it accepted the certificate, but doesn't > find it when I query it for the key, but then it did that to me > earlier today, so I'm not sure if it's there or not. > (It's the server at http://www.pgp.com/keyserver/pks-lookup.cgi .) I added the secret key to the keyserver, and it also said it had accepted it, but does not show it on a query. > The KeyID was 0x61C747B1 - 512-bit RSA > > - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 > > mQBNAzRmZWoAAAECAMnJrqd/TERCLeFscdgNvwVxrVG4tRm0VThMEXXkctCGMaUD > jcETxcV0ZseRUcyUKfqlLd3CRsIwClozlWHHR7EABRGJAFUDBSA0bAHUClozlWHH > R7EBARcXAf9oQLI0CvkPpxPLcUgdlolZ6J9Y5f5AAeX169o6SPtxaJBaHp0C39+0 > h4EimgD+TB4kiCWvklDhkTDckAxweIjbtBVOZWNlc3NhcmlseSBLbm90dCwgTUWJ > AJUDBRA0bAGS+fMmybV+y8UBAYRCA/99H8XcS1h0X0l2vQ5zPqmOSiYQ0mfi5dXZ > iMOlqlnFzVyus3L6sIr9X7Xyzg8emaNfLslQBqiagLRyVVc6e5wTVSXOKQoMzqTm > s26OA/e+/1oZHx3mCgrJm2YWyjOVm8Vx1BwbrFSgTVgdiaKbeVKrj9Zbx178BYqs > Gd1RHLXjWQ== > =ANSy > - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > But hey, since I've got this bogus key around, might as well sign > something with it :-) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 > Charset: noconv > > iQBVAwUBNGwEogpaM5Vhx0exAQGupAH/duqAF915VFqxcFHk3wlmXzmU2DDQv9nP > 6FM0rU2MSfiFmfQu76dBAyriBAdEzk1Ry+oyZiWIlixGZYbLaXLU8Q== > =5ZQC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Yep. That confirms that your message was sent by someone who is Neccesarily Knott, ME. Took a few days for you to reply to the message. Have you been waiting for the wee hours to see if you could narrow down the list of senders by seeing who is online at the time you receive a reply? I could add latency to this anonymous email, but that would be tacky. Necessarily Knott, ME -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBNGwftQpaM5Vhx0exAQGYzAH9HMbEev5KxJs9cqzYm4wbXv8+7Atxx5D/ gymQS2nhxp2aupDIewq9JkzK++VN7JAZJqyexrimiOh7ndvwI7ZOvA== =H6JV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Tim May is in good company
by Jonathan Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think the following quotes speak for themselves: "You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go around repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in their struggle for independence." Charles M. Beard "They tell us we are weak-unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on out backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until out enemies have bound us hand and foot? "We are not weak if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature has placed in out power. Millions of people armed in the hold cause of Liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible. Besides, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. "Many cry 'Peace, peace'-but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! Why stand we here idle? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me Liberty or give me death!" Patrick Henry "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every Kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed..." Noah Webster Jonathan Wienke PGP Key Fingerprints: 7484 2FB7 7588 ACD1 3A8F 778A 7407 2928 3312 6597 8258 9A9E D9FA 4878 C245 D245 EAA7 0DCC "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams "Stupidity is the one arena of of human achievement where most people fulfill their potential." -- Jonathan Wienke RSA export-o-matic: print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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RE: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bob Hettinga writes in reply ('>'): >> If Tim believes that a judge has committed a capital crime, I want to >> hear about it. > >Right. The judge made a decision that Tim thinks the judge should die for. > >My point is not the fact of whether the judge committed an "executable" >offense, or didn't. It was that Tim made a thinly veiled threat. To wit, Tim >implied that the Judge should be executed for his court decision. I'm saying >that guys with associates' degrees in "criminal justice" would love any reason >to make Tim a new wife of one of their permanent jail residents after a, um, >crack, like that, and Tim, more to the um, point, seems to, um, up the ante, >by sauntering down to the the jailhouse and pissing on the guard's shoes. > >Metaphorically, of course. :-). I think you're making a mountain out of a metaphor, here, Bob (sound of language processor set on "puree"...) In what seems to worry you about Tim, I see him just saying that if things he thinks may come to pass, do come to pass, he isn't going to go "quietly into that goodnight". I suspect his view of what is coming is influenced by where he lives (Corralitos, CA) just as yours is influenced by your location (Boston, MA) and my viewpoint is necessarily influenced by my location (Noblesville/Indianapolis, IN). It seems to me that a lot of social changes start on the West Coast, often including those of a greater governmental powers nature -- Tim may actually have more to worry about than you or me. Or none of us may have these worries *if* we make sure, in whatever ways we can, to influence others to resist the continuing encroachment of governmental power upon individual freedoms. Plus I think (from what I can see): * Tim likes to be prepared; and * Tim finds weaponry intrinsically interesting; so these elements enter his writing. To make a long story short (too late!), when I read Tim saying that the judge has committed a capital crime, I interpret that as he should be tried, and if found guilty (as Tim thinks likely so), then he should receive a severe punishment consistent with the nature of his crime. Both Tim and you, Bob, write very clearly and coherently. I have never read anything that Tim has written that makes me think he is anywhere near ready to make a "first strike" against government -- but if the government chooses to act illegally and unconstitutionally against Tim, he says he will defend himself as is his right. I dunno... Sometimes, Bob, I think that you and Tim have so much trouble because you are in such violent agreement about the importance of cryptography... ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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Re: (Fwd) Victory For Microbroadcasting!!!!
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wow. I'm glad the monger himself liked this little tidbit. I thought it was relevant. On or About 14 Nov 97 at 0:46, TruthMonger wrote: > > At 11:45 AM -0700 11/13/1997, Ross Wright wrote: > > > > > >ANOTHER VICTORY FOR FREE RADIO BERKELEY & MICROPOWER BROADCASTING > > Great lead for tracking parallels to the gubmint's plans for the > Net, as well. > > Thanks =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://ross.adnetsol.com Voice: (408) 259-2795

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