December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Zippo censors are losing customers
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <jai(a)mantra.com> writes: > > From: Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> > > > >Zippo is now censoring more people besides Colin. It may sound cheap > >but it's not worth $19/year. > > Now many discussion threads (not spam) are missing from DejaNews also. > They claim to be using "technology" developed by Zippo -- the following > press release is located at: It sounds like dejanews is applying nocem on spool, and also applying old nocems to their historical databases. (Does that include chris lewis's "trollcancels"?) Zippo refuses to accept articles where the From: is one of the many people they've blacklisted for content. See the recent article by Russ Allbery on net.config where he promotes panix's patches to nntp for something similar. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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17 Dec '03

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Head up - Press civil rights spin-doctorism...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Theory Behind USA v. Microsoft (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:13:28 -0800 > From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: Re: Theory Behind USA v. Microsoft > The total amount of actual capital was pretty small - about > 5000-6000 cars at $1000 each, back when that was still real money, Half a million plus dollars is real money now too. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >Not just the scientific community... everyone. If an art critic declines >to publish something, its a loss probably only to his fellow art critics, >but if a mathematician or a biologist or a physicist doesn't publish, it's >a loss for more than just his colleagues. ......................................................................... There is a sense of loss of valuable information, once you know that it existed before you knew about it. Of course, there are a million and one things that we don't know today that we wish we knew, and which could help everyone who has the need for that special knowledge. 1) But it is also true that the Truth (the facts of nature and principles on what is possible - in mathematics, or any scientific pursuit) does not "go away" simply because one person's discovery is not conveyed to everyone. It remains true and in existence, waiting for anyone else to do the work of discovery, or for mankind itself to evolve into the kind of creature whose mind can grasp the principles involved. It is a loss not to know the achievements of a great scientist's work, but the facts themselves are not lost, they remain available for anyone who can think as well, to find them. 2) Scientists and other very original, competent people like to think they can do as well as any one else, and I imagine sometimes they consider insulting the proposition that they must depend upon the work of another in order to achieve understanding; that without it they would be unable to do as well. Isn't this one of the reasons for some of the conflicts between scientists over originality, and the jealousy over recognition? I went to an exhibit yesterday of Leonardo da Vinci, where I saw the 400 year old Codex Leicester. He was "a keen observer" of Nature, and from his detailed studies he learned much which provided his inventive mind with much material for creative works. The exhibit brings to mind not only his work, but the methods of such a great mind in reaching those heights and breadths. So in relation to this debate on the morality of not sharing: would it not be as good a thing to look toward method - to value and promote the ability to know how to think, how to observe properly, how to understand what is before oneself - than merely to consider ourselves dependent upon the _result_ of the work of certain others, bewailing their insensitivity when they fail to share with us what they obtained for themselves? Because this does go in the direction of thinking in terms of "obligation", which is rather unappreciative of their unique & separate identity. .. Blanc

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:17:40 -0800 > From: Blanc <blancw(a)cnw.com> > Subject: Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality > I went to an exhibit yesterday of Leonardo da Vinci, where I saw the 400 > year old Codex Leicester. He was "a keen observer" of Nature, and from > his detailed studies he learned much which provided his inventive mind with > much material for creative works. The exhibit brings to mind not only his > work, but the methods of such a great mind in reaching those heights and > breadths. Which one was it? I had the privilege of working on the IBM Leonardo exhibit when it was in Austin at Discovery Hall about 10 years ago. Part of my duties was to repair two of his models (the 'turtle' tank & his composite ship hull design) and got a real appreciation of his skills. There was a show on one of the cable science shows about Leonardo week before last. You might want to review your schedule and catch it. I found it quite entertaining and educational. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Accounts payable
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Timmy C[rook] May is just a poor excuse for an unschooled, retarded thug. > > (_) _____ (_) > /O O\ Timmy C[rook] May > ! I ! > ! \___/ ! > \_____/ Since when is Tim a government official?

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openworld, inc.
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone looked at these people? They seem to be selling turnkey systems for offshore digital commerce, among other things, which I believe is fundamentally interesting. However, they seem like they're involved in several traditional weird Government-affiliated international business startup/consulting group/etc. projects, like educational resources, and from what I remember of a Tim May response to them, they seemed to believe money laundering/thoughtcrime/etc. was morally reprehensible and the duty of technical people to prevent (I may be wrong, he may be wrong, they may be wrong...) [ObNonCrypto: I picked the 3-pin Medeco lock on the front of my IBM RS/6000 320 today. I was just kind of sitting here with my new picks and wrench and was bored and poking around, and I got it to go from Secure to Normal. Luckily the lock turns both ways, since I was picking it backwards :( I've been thinking about and off and on trying to pick it for several months now -- it's a pretty impressive lock for the case on a workstation. 3-pin Medecos are a pale comparison to the real ones, though. Guess what locks I will specify from now on...] -- Ryan Lackey rdl(a)mit.edu http://mit.edu/rdl/

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by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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