December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Censorial leftists (Was: Interesting article)
by Phillip M. Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Indeed, and in a wonderful case of schadenfreude, when the >Dworkin-MacKinnon anti-porn law was enacted in Canada, "Lesbitan Erotica" >bookstores and publishers were shut down. (I believe this was in Toronto, >and it may have only been in that city or region that the law was enacted, >not in all of Canada. Toto can clarify.) Tim you miss the best part one of the first books to be banned was by Dworkin. Dworkin writes with a pseudo academic style but despite a third of her book being 'references' very little of her argument is supported. She deliberately quotes out of context and tries to claim feminist icons such as Simone de Beauvoir for her cause despite the fact that "Mrs Jeane Paul Satre" was anti censorship. Don't write the feminists off too quickly Tim, de Beauvoir's essay 'Must we burn de Sade' is the anti-censorship equivalent of your cypherpunk manifesto. MacKinnon is a more respectable flake. Her book 'Towards a Feminist theory of the state" starts off explaining that she is trying to construct a Marxist theory of the state. Even this wouldn't be quite so bad if what she was writing had some recognisable connection to anything Marx wrote. Its more a sort of left wing US academia game in which the object is to shock your liberal friends. Phill

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About the way of regulating Japanese encryption export
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

About the way of regulating Japanese encryption export Permission shouldn't be necessary. ( For example, in such cases as the dealings of providing the technology of the public wisdom. ) And, if corresponding is considered, Export permission isn't needed. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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blowback
by David Honig 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Fed made up UFO stories to cover military flights. Later on, morons who believe this end up breaking into Feds computers looking for evidence. Ah, irony. Blowback is what Intelligence calls it when, e.g., soldiers you trained and armed to repel your mutual enemy do so, then turn on you. >> > More Naked Gun than Top Gun >> > >> > THE THREE year long case of the world's most notorious >> > "information warfare" attack on US government computer systems >> > collapsed last Friday. On a grey morning in a south London >> > court, a 23-year-old computer programmer from Cardiff walked >> > free as crown prosecutors told the judge it wasn't worth the >> > cost of trying to hold his trial. They acknowledged that he had >> > posed no threat to security. >> > >> > But Matthew Bevan, who was obsessed with the X-Files and the >> > search for alien spacecraft, and his 16-year-old accomplice, >> > Richard Pryce, had achieved a notoriety out of all proportion >> > to their actions. They were "Kuji" and "Datastream Cowboy" - >> > hackers whose haphazard penetration of US Air Force and defense >> > contractors' computers have been portrayed since 1994 as the >> > work of foreign agents and the greatest electronic danger yet >> > to hit the US Air Force on its home turf. ------------------------------------------------------------ David Honig Orbit Technology honig(a)otc.net Intaanetto Jigyoubu Information is a dense, colorless, odorless material readily transmitted across empty space and arbitrary boundaries by shaking charged particles.

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Re: Transcript of Gore's remarks at "Censorware Summit"
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just had an incorrect thought that I've decided to share with everyone: The reason Al Gore (and the others) are focusing on helping All the Little Children, is that this is the only group they can offer assistance to in the U.S. who would accept it. Everyone else is stocking up on guns & ammo, waiting for The Big One. .. Blanc

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

AMEN. > >so far to the left comes out a libertarian rightist. No, this chick Dworkin > >is so far left she's just plain _left_. She argues that porn for womyn (or > >is it wimmin?) is fine and dandy, because this represents lesbian > >sisterhood exploring their own blah blah blah, but porn aimed and directed > > > > What you watch is pornography; > What I watch is erotica. >

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Unless there was decryption hardware in the monitor itself. Then I suppose you'd have to video the screen as each new "always encrypted" "totally secure" frame came up. > > On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Robert Hettinga wrote: > > > > Persistent Cryptographic Wrappers (RightsWrapper) - No matter where the > > digital document (financial newsletter, educational test, minutes from a > > court proceeding, sensitive health care records, etc.) goes, no matter > > how it gets there, whether it is used and then subsequently > > redistributed, etc. the document is always encrypted. It is never left > > decrypted and exposed even while it is being viewed. > > They have lost their mind. Since humans are notoriously bad at performing > decryptions in their head in real time, whatever is sent to the display > *must* be cleartext. Any competent programmer can grab it at that point. > > -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. > "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?" > --

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Fear of a Random Planet...
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

the following excerpt from tomorrow's WSJ... {snip} YELLOW C's NOW AVAILABLE... Be the first on your block to comply with HR-666/S-7, the 'Freedom and Sane Conservation in Social Technology' (FASCIST) Law, recently signed by Chancellor Clinton... As you know, new Federal Regulations require all cryptographers, both professional and amateur, to register with the State Department, surrender their passports, and sign Form 11065-R (Int'l Travel Prohibition Ban Consent Decree). The recent amnesty granted to the cryptographic community due to the shortage of YELLOW C badges ends January 1, 1998. The badges are now available at your local Post Office, Federal Building, or authorized Microsoft retailer. Remember, 'Export a Cryptographer, Go to Jail!' {/snip} love and kisses, CPL Kaos.

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Mob Combat
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The those with an interest in extraordinary descriptions of the bloody, vicious mayhem and carnage of urban warfare, The Philadelphia Inquirer has been running a series since late November describing in gory detail a disastrous battle between US Special Forces and Somalian mobs in 1993. With gunship video, maps and audio of US and Somalis participants. You won't forget it: http://www3.phillynews.com/packages/somalia/nov16/rang16.asp

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

www.borders.com: "Borders is opening new stores almost every week. If there's not one near you now, there will be soon." This is depressing. Something has to be done about "free"-market capitalism. It is as destructive as government, and built on the same lies.

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words have value, for good or ill
by Zooko Journeyman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > > >There's a fallacy which is quite common on this list, especially > >among members whose positions are otherwise indefensible. It's > >surprising in a way because this fallacy is more common among > >statists. > > > >There, the fallacy goes like this: if it is immoral, then it must be > >illegal. We see this all the time. People think of the government > >as their way of expressing moral values. Drugs are wrong, so they > >must be made illegal. Discrimination in employment is wrong, so it > >also must be illegal. We have countless bad laws based on this false > >premise. > > > >On this list we see the same fallacy, turned around: if it is legal, > >it must be moral. Someone is attacked for posting some vicious, > >hateful, immoral rant, and they respond that what they said was > >legal, because of freedom of speech and the First Amendment. Their > >critic must be opposed to free speech if he objects to their words. I didn't write this, but I wish I had. It is exactly correct, and well-done. If I had written I would've attached a nym in an attempt to accrue some reputation capital. (The author should e-mail me so I can credit her repcap account. :-) ) Monty Cantsin wrote: > > >Confusing what is legal and what is moral is a dangerous game. It > >leads to the false reasoning of the statists. We must remember that > >there is a clear distinction between morality and legality. > > This is a good thing to remember. However, what you seem to be > calling immoral is holding a belief with which you disagree. Actually I think we are discussing the morality of words, not of thoughts. Words are actions in my book. (ObDcashPunks: Note that the right words to the effect of "I hereby give you this cash token. Signed, Alice" _are_ the same as the action of giving the person the cash token. :-) ) > What you seem to be proposing is that Tim May (or whoever) should > refrain from expressing certain of their beliefs about the world > because they are immoral. I don't speak for Anonymous (:-)), but what _I_ propose is that the meme of "it was okay/justified/right for me to say it because it should be legal for me to say it" shall eradicated from cypherpunks discourse. The rightness of one's actions is independent from the legality of those actions. (Except, of course, that it is sometimes wise to avoid doing something illegal out of pragmatic concern for consequences.) If a cypherpunk is accused by her fellows of a wrong act, it is completely irrelevant and out of character for her to reply by stating that the act is legal. This is a such an obvious truth that I'm surprised no-one, including myself, has brought it up before Anonymous did. Regards, Zooko --- Software engineer for hire. http://www.xs4all.nl/~zooko/resume.html

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