December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Legality of faxed signatures.
by Robert A. Costner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:56 PM 1/16/98 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: >This is a big problem for me, because I want to scare >businessmen into using digital signatures. Part of the process for having a Digital Signature law is to establish the definition of a writing. Since faxes are not writings, but email is, you should be able to scare them into digital signatures pretty easily. -- Robert Costner Phone: (770) 512-8746 Electronic Frontiers Georgia mailto:pooh@efga.org http://www.efga.org/ run PGP 5.0 for my public key

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Re: how to release code if the programmer is a target for coercion (fwd)
by Jonathan Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 01:41 AM 1/15/98 -0500, Ryan Lackey wrote: >Another attack would be having 5 NSA agents sign a piece of code, but >you could prevent that by having the list made up of distinct well known >individuals who are unlikely to all be bought -- if the NSA wants to >give $100m each to the most frequent 100 posters on cypherpunks, I want >to get in line :) You can have cuts right behind me! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQA/AwUBNL+2K8JF0kXqpw3MEQK5vgCdH8N7F7fyTkrWn1E+mBhznrIDqZwAnjpG xE2ngJSG0BZJ4crdJb6EAYm8 =huFc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: how to release code if the programmer is a target for (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:29:34 -0800 > From: Jonathan Wienke <JonWienk(a)ix.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: how to release code if the programmer is a target for > coercion (fwd) [my entire previous post deleted...geesh] > Jim, there are > 2 parties in the matter being discussed: EXACTLY. That is why there is a potential for a MITM (requires at least 3 parties) attack. > My key is publicly available at the MIT keyserver; it has been since PGP > 5.0 came out. So what? If Alice is being monitored for whatever reason and she requests your key Mallet simply intercedes and inserts their own key. How is Alice going to catch a clue? > key. It would be fairly difficult for any attacker to forge a signature > with a false key; It isn't the source but the recipient that is under attack. [rest deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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OK to send e-mail?
by owl＠owlseye.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

OK to send an e-mail to cypherpunks(a)ssz.com?

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Swisskey: Swiss issuing office for Internet certificates established
by Alexandre Maret 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.swisskey.com/mitteilung_e.html Swisskey: Swiss issuing office for Internet certificates established Zurich/Berne, 18 December 1997 - Swisscom, Telekurs and DigiSigna have established the joint venture Swisskey and thus laid the foundations for secure electronic commerce in the worldwide web. The certificates issued by Swisskey are available to individuals and companies and enable clear and secure mutual identification in the Internet. Swisskey will be registered in January 1998 and will start offering its services on the Internet at www.swisskey.com in the second quarter of 1998. Electronic commerce has good future prospects: telebanking and teleshopping in the Internet and the secure exchange of EDI messages between applications are some of its possible applications. So far, however, service offers and their acceptance have both been limited, since service providers and customers cannot identify each other immediately and are dependent on bilateral agreements. Electronic certificates are the solution to this problem. They offer mutual trust in the otherwise anonymous field of electronic commerce. They allow users to be identified and texts to be signed digitally and encoded in such a way that only the recipient can read them. Users can obtain a certificate from a registration office by showing some form of identification. Possible registration offices are post offices, Swisscom shops, banks and chambers of commerce. "The Swisskey joint venture aims to encourage the development of electronic commerce in Switzerland by offering a customerfriendly, secure and upgradeable certification service," explained Swisskey Managing Director, Christian Graber. Swisskey will offer SSL certificates as supported by all common Internet browsers (X.509 certificates), Edifact certificates for EDI messages and application and companyspecific certificates for uses such as Intranet applications. Swisscom Ltd and Telekurs Holding AG each hold 47.5% of Swisskey AG and DigiSigna (an association of chambers of commerce of Switzerland and the Principality of Liechtenstein) holds the remaining 5%. DigiSigna also aims to win international approval for the Swisskey certificates. For questions: DigiSigna Otto Müller omueller(a)zurichcci.ch Tel. 01 / 221 07 42 Fax. 01 / 221 76 15 Telekurs Holding AG Bernhard Wenger wnb(a)holding.telekurs.com Tel. 01 / 279 22 20 Fax. 01 / 279 23 36 Swisscom Sepp Huber Josef.Huber(a)swisscom.com Tel. 031 / 342 13 00 Fax. 031 / 342 13 10

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reasons for local eternity proxies (Re: remailer resistancs to attack) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:42:52 GMT > From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > Subject: reasons for local eternity proxies (Re: remailer resistancs to attack) > > (Reason for local news feed being preferabl is that it protects the > NNTP traffic which would otherwise allow eavesdroppers to observer > which articles you were reading. SSL is only a partial solution > because you are then trusting the SSL NNTP server operator.) >From a criminal perspective is it really important to know what you were reading but rather what you were generating? Using Van Eck it would be much easier and cheaper to determine what you were reading than spend the money, physical resources, and people time to figure it using traffic analysis. It's more incriminating to prove you sent a request for illicit data than you downloaded it. Sending it out shows premeditated intent. Simply downloading it shows only curiosity with no other evidence. Simple traffic analysis will determine your sourcing data even if it is fully encrypted. > Local servers don't generate any traffic, "local server" is really a > misnomer, it is a local proxy for reading news... it presents a view > of USENET articles which makes them appear as web pages. It keeps > copies of those web pages more up to date versions are read in news, > this allows fast access to the web space. I point my local news readers at my ISP's news server so I don't flood my link with several gig's of traffic a day. This is the primary objection to hosting a 'real' local news server - the bandwidth and hardware resource issues place it outside of most peoples financial ability. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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PEOPLEFINDERS
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Where for lunch on Tue.? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > That could explain why every girl he gets dumps him in less than a month... > > He's cheap which means he shows up with wilted flowers and day-old bread. > Also explains why he can't keep people out of his crease, he uses them old > dull skates. Sorry, that wasn't supposed to go out to you folks....I think I'm about to get my butt kicked...;( ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Where for lunch on Tue.? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:25:13 -0600 > From: Kenneth Zuber <kzuber(a)us.itmasters.com> > > I heard you weren't good either..... > I guess you get what you pay for > > Sean Starke wrote: > > > > > Tivoleers, be advised...he's looking to pick at least one of you up... > > I may be cheap, but I'm not free... That could explain why every girl he gets dumps him in less than a month... He's cheap which means he shows up with wilted flowers and day-old bread. Also explains why he can't keep people out of his crease, he uses them old dull skates. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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UPDATE!! BAY AREA CYPHERPUNKS MEETING, SATURDAY 1/17, OAKLAND
by bill.stewart＠pobox.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sameer asks that, due to building access limitations, everybody please show up by 2pm to be sure the guards will let you in, and "humor building management and sign in as requested by the guard". And there's a parking lot on Franklin between 12th and 13th, which is a block or two east/south of Broadway. > The January Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting will be Saturday afternoon > at C2 Software's office in Oakland. > > Agenda: Export Laws - Lee Tien and Greg Broiles > Work in Progress > Lots of discussion from RSA Conference. > > Time: 12-6pm followed by dinner - program starts at 1:00 > Location: C2Net Software, Inc. 1440 Broadway Suite 700, Oakland, CA > Phone: (510) 986-8770 Fax: (510) 986-8777 > Public Transportation - about two blocks from the 12th St BART station. > This is the best way to get there from San Francisco, > and parking for BART trains is easy. :-) > Driving - From South - take 880N to Broadway exit, about .9 mile, park > From San Francisco - Take the Bay Bridge to Grand Ave, > turn right on Telegraph and continue on Broadway. If you find yourself on 980, 11th or 12th goes to Broadway. > > Map URL: http://www.mapblast.com/yt.hm?FAM=mapblast&CMD=GEO&SEC=find&IC=0%3A0%3A5&IC… Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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