December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Dear subscribers
by Michael Sims 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear subscribers to the Cypherpunks list -- Mikhael Frieden, mikhaelf(a)mindspring.com, is an alias for Matt Giwer, a name I hope many of you will recognize. On the F-C list, he is now the origin of perhaps 25% of the traffic, as much as 50% some days, most of which are standard, clueless, trolling, or lying responses which are designed to suck people into endless replies like those on what the Anonymizer does or does not do. William Geiger writes, "Absolutly, I can't beleive that Mikhael is *that* clueless." Well, yes. When you're trying to troll, you are that clueless. We here on the F-C list are hoping to sort of ignore him and hope he'll go away -- all I see of him are the number of messages hitting my to-be-deleted folder and the endless replies cross-posted from cypherpunks. See: http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/net-abuse/ http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/ Giwer will even accuse *himself* of lying. Please do the people on F-C a favor by not cross-posting any replies that are off-topic for F-C, and hell, while I'm at it, by not replying to Giwer at all for any reason. If you're not careful he'll join cypherpunks. -- Michael Sims [I'm not on cypherpunks - reply by direct email only, please]

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RFC on Infrastructure Aliens
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

BXA issued today an RFC for the recent PCCIP report on threats to the nation's infrastructure. It provides a handy summary of the report's findings and proposals for policy, technology, law and arms-waving of insider gov, com and edu to protect their children against outside techno-bugabears: http://jya.com/bxa-pccip-rfc.htm (14K)

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AAAS amicus brief in Bernstein case is on the Web; Citadel files too.
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The American Association for the Advancement of Science filed a rather good 62-page "brief" arguing that: I. The Regulations Violate the First Amendment II. The Regulations Violate Equal Protection Applied to the Federal Government Through the Fifth Amendment III. The Regulations Violate the Privileges and Immunities Clause as Applied to the Federal Government under the Fifth Amendment by Infringing the Right to Make Use of the Most Effective Commercially Available Means of Communication IV. The Regulations Violate the Constitutional Right of Privacy. Their arguments are novel, interesting, and generally well presented. See http://www.eff.org/pub/Legal/Cases/Bernstein_v_DoS/Legal/971110_aaas.amicus In addition, the Citadel for Constitutional Government has filed a sixth amicus brief with the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. We are still pursuing an online copy of that brief. John Gilmore Electronic Frontier Foundation

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send help
by Jari Aalto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

help mailing-lists

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New free speech oriented civil rights site
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Civil rights Web site to fight cyberhate > > November 24, 1997 > Web posted at: 6:01 p.m. EST (2301 GMT) > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Responding to President Clinton's call to fight hate > crime, the nation's largest civil rights coalition and a regional Bell > telephone company have created a Web site designed to combat Internet > hate speech. > > The Leadership Conference on Civil Rights said Monday the site -- > www.civilrights.org -- was developed and will be maintained for two > years with a $100,000 contribution from Bell Atlantic. > > <snip> > > Wade Henderson, LCCR executive director, said the idea to create a Web > site was triggered by a proliferation of Internet hate speech by groups > such as the Ku Klux Klan and White Aryan Resistance. ...and some cypherpunks? > Bell Atlantic chairman Ray Smith cited a study by the Anti-Defamation > League showing the number of hate sites on the Internet has doubled to > 250 in the past year. He called the new site "an antidote for poison." > > The idea is to "counter the frightening espousal of hatred and violence > against Americans because of their race, gender, religious or sexual > orientation," he said. Not to mention nationality. "You go, chop chop," says Tim May, making fun of someone apparently from Japan. > Henderson said hate groups have become more sophisticated in communicating > their doctrines and recruiting. "Instead of the street, they recruit on > the net," he explained. > > There is also concern for the First Amendment protection of free speech, > Henderson said. "This Web site will respond to hate with information > and competing ideas without seeking to restrict Internet speech." > > In addition to providing information on hate crimes around the country, > the site will explain various strategies to address those crimes and offer > materials for young people, parents and teachers to encourage diversity. Cypherpunks other than May, Geiger, and the despicable Vulis will welcome a new civil rights effort which is built around respect for freedom of speech. Cypherpunk technologies will be a major force to eliminate racism. With privacy protected transactions, the color of a person's skin, his religion and his ethnicity are no longer apparent. People will be able to succeed on merit - and not the "good old boys" definition of merit, where somehow only white males seem to have what it takes. Cypherpunks need to build bridges to minority communities, to show them how these technologies can advance their cause. Racist comments by supposedly respected list members are harmful and must be countered in order to show that these views do not reflect the feelings of most cypherpunks.

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Swedish policy paper on key/message escrow
by Martin Minow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Today's "Svenska Dagbladet" has an article on a policy paper released by the Swedish Foreign Office that follows the American agenda. "Only simple encryption that is easy to decypher should be sold outside the country without restriction." Also, "it is required that capability is created for legal access to clear-text or keys." (My ugly, but precise, translation from the article's quote from the report.) The report authors suggest a complicated structure with key depositories, "preferably privately owned" that "can be granted control over all of the encryption keys that are used on the Internet." Police and proscecutors can obtain these encryption keys as needed to access secret documents. The report has been widely criticized. Martin Minow minow(a)apple.com

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IBM, Compaq, Toshiba WANTED (pwn)
by Edward Russell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Hi I got your email address from your web site I will buy laptops in any condition, new and boxed, second hand, faulty, damaged smashed screens, etc. I am based in California but I have facilities to collect equipment anywhere in the USA, payment will be by cashiers check. Quantities are immaterial, but my normal deals are for one to one hundred units. I am only interested in 486 and Pentium laptop computers. To give you an idea of the specific models I am interested in I have listed below units which I currently have back orders for, list as follows..... Toshiba Tecra, all models Toshiba Satellite Pro, all models Toshiba Satellite, all models IBM Thinkpad 760, all models Compaq LTE 5000 series, LTE5400, LTE5380, LTE5300 in particular Compaq Armada 7700 series, Armada 7730 and 7750 in particular Please respond by email if you have something to offer me. It is much easier for me if you can include your phone number / contact details. Regards Edward Russell P.S. This email is a one off, you will not be emailed again if you do not carry out further email corespondents with myself.

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

May Timothy C[ocksucker] Maya's forgeries get stuck up his ass so he'll have to shit through his filthy mouth for the rest of its miserable life. /~~~\ {-O^O-} Timothy C[ocksucker] Maya \ o / (-)

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Prevention of War
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim May wrote: >At 1:43 PM -0700 11/23/97, Jim Choate wrote: >... >>Any particular methodology you might care to share on stopping WWII? >>Being an avid amateur historian concerning WWII I am very much >>interested in any insight you might have. It looks like some context was lost. My comments on preventing war were part of an ongoing discussion on the effect cypherpunkly tools may have on wars. So, the particular "methodology" I had in mind was that the development of extensive cross border relationships would make wars harder to prosecute. Imagine that in 1938 Germany that half the relationships people had happened to cross borders. This would mean that it would have been far easier for many people to simply flee Germany because they would have more couches to sleep on abroad, more people who would maybe lend money to make it possible, and more world wide sympathy for refugees. Also, imagine that assets were easily moved around the world and that the German government would have been unable to control this. This would have made it easier for refugees to simply move what assets they had out of the country. But, they would probably only commit a portion of their assets to German control, anyway, which would mean no movement would even be necessary. The net result of Nazi policies would have been large numbers of people fleeing and depriving Germany of their talents and relationships. I do not just mean Jewish people. Alex Le Heux mentioned that he felt sorry for the conscripts in the Germany army who were forced to invade other countries. The reason people are conscripted is because they would not otherwise volunteer. If it was a relatively simple matter to avoid military service, how many would fail to do so? (And remember that when half your friends do not have your nationality, appeals to patriotism are less powerful.) It is not clear that people in Germany who held substantial wealth were all that sympathetic to Hitler. Unfortunately, Hitler seemed to provide a way for them to protect their wealth from other worse people. Later, they had to cooperate with the German government in order to keep their wealth. (See, for instance, the extensive negotiations during the War to ensure that the oldest son of the Krupp family would, in fact, inherit the firm.) However, if the wealthy had their assets distributed through a number of countries, this problem would have been mitigated. The result of the policies of the German government would have been simply to alienate and expatriate the most useful elements of German society and deprive it of the ability to credibly wage war. However, leaving cypherpunk issues aside, it is possible that the necessity of World War II has been exaggerated. Tim May wrote: >Not entering the war. There's ample evidence that the U.S. provoked >the Japanese in various ways. The Japanese in 1941 were somewhat dependent on oil from the Phillipines. The last straw was when the U.S. embargoed this oil. That may have been good policy, but it provoked the War. Another little item which is usually given a strange spin is that Britain and France declared war on Germany, not the other way around. Perhaps that was good policy, but it is important to remember who attacked whom. There is a lot to be said for delaying the start of a war because unexpected developments may later make a peace possible. >Had the U.S. concentrated on its own affairs, on just trade, it is >unlikely that what the Japanese were doing in Malaysia, Manchuria, >Korea, Indochina, and the Phillipines would have had any major >interest for us. > >As for Europe, this was even less our war than the Pacific war. > >In a sense, so _what_ if some army from some nation was rolling over >other armies? > >(The "evilness" of Hitler is not the issue, either. Else Stalin and >Mao would have been cause enough to go to war.) It's worth noting that Hitler's most evil activities didn't occur until the war really got going in a big way. This made it much harder for people to question or even know the policies their government was carrying out. ("What are you, a traitor?") Also, it is clear that the Allied governments had not entered the War for altruistic reasons. Few Jewish refugees were accepted during the 1930s even though they were clearly being mistreated and had every reason to flee Germany. Allied knowledge of the Holocaust was *suppressed* expressly to avoid popular support for admitting refugees! After the War the U.S. even smuggled large numbers of Nazis, including many war criminals, out of Germany and into South America. Any American who wanted to do the right thing for the human race during World War II would have been wise to stay out of the Army and spend time and effort just finding out what was going on. A relatively small number of people dedicated to exposing the Holocaust would have done more good for the world than many thousands of soldiers. Ironically, these people would probably have had to outwit both the American and German governments in finding the facts and publicizing them. >And certainly the monarchic alliances which led to the First World >War--a war fought over the Hapsburg Dynasty and assorted >intrigues==were completely absurd. The links between the two World Wars are strong. Had World War I been avoided - and it could have been - many of the issues I have discussed regarding World War II would not even have occurred. > As for the Final Solution to the Jewish Problem...not my war. This was not a pretext for the war because it hadn't occurred yet! The War itself made the Holocaust feasible. Countries rarely invade other countries for altruistic reasons, but they have be dressed up this way for popular consumption. >If the U.S. had not become "policeman to the world" in the early part >of this century... And let us note that this was not an elected position. The other countries (and people!) in the world did not get together and ask the U.S. government to play this role. Probably it's most accurate to describe this as a propaganda technique to get American popular support for policies designed to promote American hegemony. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHmrZpaWtjSmRH/5AQFi8Af+K3M4ldq4cfti/AZLliQVxPFdxfx9Oz4H vZwXUvMYPbUpux/O3hydfUaEjPgRcbHNpONNSDyYM6aot4pi17EkKFASbFRmj+5X A8ixUVHqWhaDMdA3Lv/3CZ5XGR+Seh/SDojd4ippXytClBNCYDkmXc9r4RHz+/Dh 5E7dU5BjFAiBESX6pxLFBWMeqULspsBdlp1RkzF8Cus5w3kd70xqP/xsIaW42cC4 1M31j4rOE3+T/fReoewGdJOMwxKGw57n9He7RXth60VSAy4U+EGFMd/Bixke1vv4 YOVToP9PE/UZp7KecGYcsk5w1miYBh1ypipPBvTeMx4SHeb2qtOYqQ== =gcJh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Quoting Portions of a Signed Document
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- It would be neat if you could quote people and prove that they signed the particular paragraph quoted without supplying the entire text. Is there a way to do this? (It seems impossible, but so does mental poker.) A crude approach would be to sign every paragraph or line separately, but that's obviously inelegant. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHscCpaWtjSmRH/5AQHlUAf+MgXC6uKGn+EMsOzw9wumJeYdjNWYTlnl IxaksIHa2o1HL88GZlrve7F3lATOM1IpDlZIIwe56rGZzqTQci+ImMIG3kqKWyTE 6NjtTqKY0Qr028MsudhVE+RwTvUIzbsi+6Qh4wJo+AzfEmnKlMkPHBxMmgem/+sQ Cm3PasUW91N6xakkoR/M9x6ZtJ8MlAAI1C460LIndzV2DqxnFnyNs9cCxVYaZ+FQ BMK8Mwf8EXhnSrfv6CQ3oKgi8cO1jd0FHyLr7uYQ8n0HWWMMcC06k3rYyo8EXInc WyJ/oeuSewhQjTumrPn5e3+aP55k3IzttBhE2TQy6tBX9r1nX7fVVg== =feAO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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