December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Cato forum tomorrow: should money laundering be a crime?
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>(Why is this discussion limited to just the four of us? Surely Declan and >his Cato buddies are worthy to hear our arguments? I dislike the "taking >things private" mindset, when the lists are already so cluttered with Toto >rants and other consumers of vast amounts of bandwidth.) If my header lines implied this, it was inadvertent. I agree more 'relevent' content on CP is desireable. >I haven't quite said that all forms of communication/spending money will be >speech and therefore protected. (Besides, we all know of many forms of >speech that are unprotected.) > >What I (and Michael Froomkin, in his own CFP talk) have argued is that >digital money will be _undetectable_ in many cases unless government >demands that the contents of a private communication be revealed. A kind of >prior restraint on speech. > [snip] >If the government determines, somehow, that Alice was >involved in an illegal transaction, tax evasion, money laundering, etc., >they can try to get her on that. But they can't insist that words be >submitted to a government agent for approval." Isn't uttering a check protected speech? What about if a check is stego-coded in some political rant? Can the Feds insist I not utter that speech? --Steve PGP mail preferred, see http://www.pgp.com and http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html RSA fingerprint: FE90 1A95 9DEA 8D61 812E CCA9 A44A FBA9 RSA key: http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=0x55C78B0D --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | tel: (702) 658-2654 CEO | fax: (702) 658-2673 First ECache Corporation | 7075 West Gowan Road | Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | Internet: schear(a)lvdi.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me ECache or give me debt! "It's your Cache"

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Re: Remailer Trivia / Re: Singapore & Freedom
by Charlie Comsec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Harish Pillay <harish(a)brokat.com.sg> > Interesting that you hide behind an anomymous name and you claim to ^^^^^^^^^^^ > be outside Singapore. I for one, will stand by my name and say that > things I should say about this country of mine (warts and all) and > not have to hide behind anonymity (not that I would not use anonymity ^^^^^^^^^^^ > ever :-)). I find it interesting that most of the people who refer to anonymous posters as "hiding behind" or "hiding behind the skirts of" something usually have unlisted telephone numbers when you try to do a search for them. <g> I wonder why "hiding behind" an unlisted telephone number is considered acceptable but having an "unlisted" e-mail address is not considered acceptable? Nor is it useful to argue that anonymity should only be used when it's "needed". That decision should be at the sole discretion of the poster. With the advent of firms that sell "dossiers" of the public posts of potential job candidates to employers, maybe posting using your own name is something everyone ought to at least reconsider. For many people, the choice is not between posting openly versus posting anonymously, but rather between posting openly and NOT POSTING AT ALL. Censorious individuals contribute to that by deliberately attempting to ridicule and discredit anonymous posters. Since you often cannot determine an anonymous poster's religion, race, nationality, or sexual preference, those who prefer ad hominem attack to a rational debate of the issues attack the poster's anonymity, instead. BTW, do you "hide behind" clothes when you walk on the street? If so, why? Got something to hide? Huh? COWARD!!!! <g> - --- Finger <comsec(a)nym.alias.net> for PGP public key (Key ID=19BE8B0D) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNIwRWgbp0h8ZvosNAQFZ6Af9G4P92aD68wwQEHH4xNiHvD5x8JDzIFCK fzFPp+IxuSQi+0R8i8Udt9XUh317Ec78lgwuRpStwS8LooE88oBWP2A5StU9k0BH kEDT7U8XlP73z0MCxr3kGmKC7TQwJo7cBZma7GbLjs9+wN5w7/k3nhXPLmA0At2y wmV08KIHl1pJacR36dRSfb8vuph6KwkglAU+az1BxDROIfWWqCYXVDsADULsz63p dOiiHkIS4yDLyLSU9osGLA62zkGLZMHYIfs8eWDB9AVNoPHwo7l0DxMMtsF+QjtR Qjdeor+DUd4jo+4tmYGPBwdX370EHqXjN/J3/CspGc+e+GVRyIU/Nw== =Zi6K -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Press URL's from today's Bernstein appeal hearing
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Today's hearing in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals went very well. The judges clearly understood the case -- both the picky legal details, and how it fits into the general social issue of encryption regulation. While we can't predict their decision (or even when it will come out), we are cautiously optimistic. We'll put transcripts of the hearing up on the Web as soon as we get them from the court reporter (in days or weeks). You may want to examine some early press coverage of the hearing at: http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/120997encrypt-bernstein.html http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,17114,00.html http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/zdnn/1208/261695.html (The Times requires a username/password; use "cypherpunks" and "cypherpunks" if you don't want them to track your accesses.) John Gilmore Electronic Frontier Foundation

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Time Magazine on America Online pornospam and Kids Summit
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

********* http://www.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/1997/dom/971215/technology.why_john… .html Time Magazine December 15, 1997 Page 76 AMERICA ONLINE'S LITTLE PROBLEM By Michael D. Lemonick Reported by Bruce van Voorst and Declan McCullagh/Washington If you logged on to America Online last week, you may well have found E-mail waiting from someone you never heard of imploring you to JOIN US AT PINK PUSSY CLUB THE HOTTEST SITE FOR XXX LIVE GIRL SEX SHOWS!! or proclaiming OVER 1,000 EROTIC AND EXOTIC SHOWS!!!!!! CLICK HERE TO ENTER or any of hundreds of similar electronic come-ons. Spam--unsolicited junk E-mail--is perhaps the most irritating feature of online life. Its purveyors use powerful software to "harvest" screen names and then ship out bulk electronic mail bearing sales pitches or get-rich-quick schemes. [...] Other Time features: Bruce Handy on last week's Kids Summit: "Why Johnny Can't Surf": http://www.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/1997/dom/971215/technology.america_… .html Time poll on Are Your Kids Safe Online? http://cgi.pathfinder.com/cgi-bin/gdml2x/game/time/internet

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Re: Remailer Trivia / Re: Singapore & Freedom
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Doesn't Anonymous have a brother, Neal? Isn't he a playwrite, or > author, or something? > Anybody? Neal Coward?

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Re: Complete package for Cantsin Protocol No. 2
by Charlie Comsec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Steffen Zahn <zahn(a)berlin.snafu.de> wrote: > I have put together a package for Cantsin 2 Signatures, to > generate the keys, sign documents and check signatures. > > Prerequisites are: > > perl Version 5 > libgmp Version 2.* > a C compiler > currently /dev/random for generation of keys and signatures > > precompiled binaries are provided for Linux-ELF (libc-5.*), if you have > that you don't need libgmp. > > Pick it up from http://www.snafu.de/~zahn/cantsin.tar.gz (70 KByte) Have you got a URL I can check out which explains this protocol and how it's superior to, let's say, PGP? Thanks. - --- Finger <comsec(a)nym.alias.net> for PGP public key (Key ID=19BE8B0D) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNIwWngbp0h8ZvosNAQG9CQf+M9d05odxcm4s0D+hQltI5XbXFIE3iCzx Bjl6n7Bs0rrs/oCy3goxTjGwrwrYlDNa7bNYpnXBPDGbRiZ2UE9vGSNY1B4aa/NL vSwjlpG2chPp9rt5JEHiKV2EgUg0zvnK53L+wT4a2EB8xDkBIzcIbdTjThQqegnu IxKD8oGXwloq8hHOxZO9kCqGiUrbUTbLsY2Swt7clYwxnFGL54JS9mw9nlUCgv8m /MKU9w+RWBLzvuQv3yNK4VaTqyu/PJ8hm/9iMLCqiiF6Rghs+8euUVUSseeLJDrc ZApkfzt/JNiu58DLpt1pI3ZReR4lCEVHjbOID/WyOPeVSKdnRrkyug== =q1Hg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Singapore & Freedom
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

harish.pillay(a)brokat.com wrote > ..much deleted text... > >So, yes, the govt does at times choke the entrepreneurship drive >of the local population, but there are industries where the >coexistence of private initiative and govt-linked companies have >been possible and viable. Please advise what industries and the companies involved. >Let's analyze the premise of an educational system. .... >It has been a fine balance between a fully liberal system and >one that generates worker units for the most part of the last >30-35 years. ... It will take 5-10 years before an increasingly >liberal system is in place - an increasing thinking population >that is part of the global information flow that will >characterize the next centuries economies. This last sentence appears to have been taken right out the PAP policy manual, and it is a good policy statement. Educational systems are generally engineered by society to help prepare the students for life in that society. In western societies the educational system is engineered by a number of different groups in that society in what is thought to be in the best interest of the society. Who is doing the planning in Singapore and for what ends? I believe you will find Elder Statesman Lee has a major involvement at this time. If you look you will find an accelerated push to generate a more technical population. Children in Singapore start school at 5 years of age, after 5 years of schooling, what is the daily homework load for a 10 year old student?? Three to 5 hours per day? If this figure is not correct please advise the correct figure. What percentage of parents feel compelled to hire tutors to enhance their child's education or just so they get good grades? Is 60% too low?? What type of bonuses do school principals receive, is it based on the overall grade-point average of the students in their school? Why the big push? Who is the primary beneficiary of this push? Is this being done for the benefit of the worker units or the collective good of the controllers of the political group in power? Harry and his buddies have done a fantastic job with Singapore Inc. over the last 40 years. Harry had a great vision and splendid execution of that vision. Problem now is that he is rather long in the tooth and his people have changed. Instead of loosening up and allowing more democratic freedoms Harry and the boys are finding excuses to state that Singaporeans must work harder and expect less in the way of freedoms. Harry has stated many times that one of the biggest problems with western style democracies is that the voters can defeat a perfectly good government and install a bunch of goofs who spoil everything. True enough, we sometimes vote goofs into power, but at least we have the choice. Harry and the PAP have destroyed every bit of political opposition or made the opposition unpalatable to the voters. >Pray tell me how the SG govt has brought BB into reality? ... Singapore is surrounded by the Muslim hordes who covet their wealth and it has no internal security apparatus? In the 50s Singapore literally had a den of spies. The regional den of spies is now Bangkok. Why do ya figure they all moved their operations?? The Singaporeans politely asked them to leave? Have you ever had any dealings with your nation's security apparatus? If you did you would notice something strange. You just got picked up for something that happened last week but these people know about your whole life. They know how many hours you spend at the office, when you are out of the country, who you socialize with, and any vices you may have. Maybe they really don't do the Big Brother thing, they probably just have a crystal ball and got lucky with a few guesses and bluffed the rest. If you believe this last statement I have a real deal for you on some excellent used cars. When the Singapore government announced their intent to connect every household to the Internet they asked every citizen to become an informant and watch their neighbors (neighbours) for subversive activity and report any such activity to the authorities. Now, if you connect to those 100 restricted porn sites and saved copies of all you viewed on your computer and the authorities discovered that porn what would be your fate? Or are you immune to this threat? >Interesting that you hide behind an anomymous name... I notice your government does not like anonymous dissent either. The standard procedure in Singapore in dealing with trouble makers is to dig up their records, school, National Service, employment, and whatever else they can get and then tear the poor souls apart. Harry has participated in this tactic many times. Just so it will not bother you, I admit I am a low-life. Dropped out of school, fired from every job, do drugs, abuse alcohol, guns, no church, beat my kids, beat my wife, beat my dog, and I hang-out in second-rate strip-joints with bikers who deal drugs and loanshark. Plus I collect welfare..... I use anonymous mail for many reasons. The reason here should be pretty obvious. SingMonger

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No Subject
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hmm. Okay, then. I think Vulis needs each of us to send twenty copies of this back to him in a horribly mutilated state. >I think Vulis uses procmail. > >On 7 Dec 1997, Secret Squirrel wrote: > >> I think Vulis needs each of us to send ten copies of this back to him. >>

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