December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

The Great Awakening
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jim Choate wrote: >Bob Hettinga wrote: >> BTW, Emerson, Dickenson, Whitman, Thureau, etc., were part >> of the same ideological outpouring which, in the theological arena, was the >> Great Awakening. A lot can be said for the view that this was American >> Romanticism, as Chopin, Byron, the Brontes, Austen, etc., were all >> happening in roughly the same couple of generations. Later, like libertines >> and enthusiasts throughout history, they became extremely repressive. We >> eventually came to call them Victorians. (Sound familiar, you baby boomers?) > >After thinking about this I am certain that you are speaking of a movement >other than the Great Awakening. I can't remember or find a convenient name >for the religous/ethical awakening that occured prior to the Civil War. "THE GREAT AWAKENING "A conservative reaction against the world view of the new science was bound to follow, and the first half of the eighteenth century witnessed a number of religious revivals in both England and America. They were sometimes desperate efforts to reassert the old values in the face of the new and, oddly enough, were themselves the direct product of the new cult of feeling, a philosophy which argued that man's greatest pleasure was derived from the good he did for others and that his sympathetic emotions (his joy as well as his tears) should not be contained." -- The Norton Anthology of American Literature, Third Edition, Volume 1 Being a New Englander, Bob should know about the revivalist of Northampton, Massachusetts: Jonathan Edwards. His name is synonymous with the "Great Awakening." As for the religious/ethical awakening that occurred prior to the War between the States, that has generally come to be known as "American Transcendentalism," especially the works of Whitman, Emerson and Thoreau. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHMgReFWwZe05jcJAQHPkAgAm8DTBqNnuoEGl9AVKgWIhGf3QEsH9yH3 ZoJL5WsaGlnsykrgBtvb/8qC7LgrGL19fG0rFy0ixytNM+XsenGbqE1QADb8gIbJ CQTC6323s+rqO0/WmUCfsSAEpGifAosDtdn/FZiW0rXXPX18kM/vn4qUNVDmnoXe JptHFzJGj/kCRhGfpzu3y2QpkNZEk4+wSEf4hCHRZTc+ZczB5iMW38zWpk1Mwfuy HdJU3aEORDS5BbJ1CPibxj+yZGj6bvDcnR8oNdzDidvknyaHWluCbrZjmMwaPE7x kkcc8BsXcuKMa7fOxREjH6CLs6Gnicc/idIGIDGLbQcGVGr2jXSRLg== =4OoU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The Great Awakening (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: 20 Nov 1997 02:25:01 -0000 > From: Anonymous <remailer(a)htp.org> > Subject: The Great Awakening > >After thinking about this I am certain that you are speaking of a movement > >other than the Great Awakening. I can't remember or find a convenient name > >for the religous/ethical awakening that occured prior to the Civil War. > > "THE GREAT AWAKENING No, "The Second Great Awakening" which happened to be followed by "The Third Great Awakening". You didn't read the various posts that I sent out earlier on this did you... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: The Illusion of Freedom
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Monty Cantsin wrote: >However, most people who engage in war are not in any sense free and >the single most apparent feature of life in a military organization is >the elimination of freedom and privacy. > >It is most often the case that in order to wage war, one must first >become enslaved. Those who wage war are rarely the slaves. Those who die usually are. The "cannon fodder" you mentioned. Gives new meaning to to phrase "...give me liberty, or give me death." Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHJy7eFWwZe05jcJAQHwPwf/c6s/6rWtmsaMIgVrFVqQOsxaSPx8XBnP 0dzZxX6VgMzI3Pi1wztEmw1mcHtQxosyI81mKqlb+TkXV7epxdc0LBYP/sKcMctw jw5hzZnkrEqiH9fyFXIjXPhesuerKk8FRPV8kSa7YH14X/NliXrHiS9mnr9J5E9c xXTO6VRrzERZjeNSG1mwfSdTIK22QVmOLvOFqHgNwREGKH5zGJvxLCokVF3QiswI xbnz4FpQdG5rU6vxXIC/y9Tby32g4DI4i2EQG26Li79/EfoXXWrcx7kiTm3FDUHy VN4lxsjytUV0Qow34pESCnXVkvP7gDlmV4NYC7sLe4E+OUpzpKfpJQ== =XYXW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Welcome to Builder buzz!
by buzzreg＠central.cnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: export restictions and investments
by Jack Oswald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I believe that is correct. It is not a 100% ownership. Jack -----Original Message----- From: sameer [SMTP:sameer@c2.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 10:10 AM To: Rich Salz Cc: jk(a)stallion.ee; whgiii(a)invweb.net; cryptography(a)c2.net; cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: export restictions and investments > > Are you really sure that they bought it all? That would go against what I am pretty sure that they have only a 10% stake in Elvis+. -- Sameer Parekh Voice: 510-986-8770 President FAX: 510-986-8777 C2Net http://www.c2.net/ sameer(a)c2.net

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Re: export restictions and investments
by Joichi Ito 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 15:01 97/11/19 -0800, via RadioMail wrote: > when i left the program, years ago, it was 10%. > > i do not know if something else was done later. > > ----- Original Message > > Date: 20 Nov 97 07:50 +0900 > From: Joichi Ito <jito(a)eccosys.com> > Subject: ELVIS+ > To: Jeff Rulifson <jeffr(a)Eng.Sun.COM> > > Jeff, > > what % share of ELVIS+ does Sun own? > > - Joi -- PGP Key: http://pgp.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2D9461F1 PGP Fingerprint: 58F3 CA9A EFB8 EB9D DF18 6B16 E48D AF2A 2D94 61F1 Home Page: http://domino.garage.co.jp/jito/joihome.nsf To subscribe to my personal mailing list send mailto:friends-subscribe@ji.to

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Finger Narcs
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While wandering in the Twilight Zone that lays between sleep and being awake, I caught vague details of the following non-reality substantiated news story: Ontario, in order to combat the Iron Chariotman, Road Rage, has/will institue/d some citizen/government entity named 'Highway Rangers' (?), whose purpose is to arrest/narc-out drivers who 'flip the bird' to their fellow drivers, etc. I find it interesting that, upon awakening, I had neither the desire nor a reason for confirming/not the details of this news story, since, if it is _not_ true, it _could_ be. In short, I doubt that it is now possible to create an inner dream, or nightmare, which is more bizarre than the ludicrousness which is currently serving as our alleged Silver Screen of Reality. Go figure... TruthMonger

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Re: From the Files - Freeh and Flight 800
by Alex Peshevski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone have a copy of the CIA (FBI) Video simulation?? >>> John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> 20/11/97 12:09:58 >>> Marc Rotenberg wrote: > >FWIW, Kallstrom spent much of his time at the press >conference this week debunking the missle theory. >The FBI's explanation for why so many eyewitnesses >appeared to see a missile approach the plane boils >down to this: observers, alerted by the explosion, >were actually observing a wing falling away from >the plane. To amplify this a bit: the explanation also included the speculation of cascading fuel being ignited from the bottom and flaming upward, which could be interpreted by the observers as a missile rising. An interesting view which I wonder if any of our scientists here find credible. Perhaps I missed it, but I don't recall the CIA video showing upward flaming fuel, rather it showed a billowing explosion centered on the main fuel tank of the upturning fuselage (as the front cabin plummeted). Is it feasible that the fuel would ignite and flame upward that way or would it be too broadly dispersed by speed and the atmosphere to cause a coherent, shaped flame such as that of a missile tail? For example, would an adept pilot be able to tell the difference? This is posed because of the way several theories of the OKC blomb blast got it wrong due to overly narrow initial interpretation as did misinterpretations of other controversial "terrorisms." Perhaps Tim May is correct in his assessment of Jim, but NTSC's upcoming hearing should produce more reliable technical information than Kallstrom appears to be comfortable handling -- given his bent for melodrama fine details of investigation seem to be an annoyance, although he appeared to like the assurance of the CIA's virtual reality. Kallstrom also said that the case will remain open, I guess in case Boeing or TWA or something needs to be zapped by blind justice.

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RE: export restictions and investments
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:12 AM 11/20/1997 +0100, Lucky Green wrote: >At this point a brief overview of modexp accelerators might be in order: >o the Belgian chips I've seen are too slow. >o the Rainbow board is OK, but non-exportable. >o the Chrysalis PCMCIA card has the same performance as the Rainbow board >at half the price. Also non-exportable. >o the Ncipher SCSI based accelearator screams, but it a bit pricey. >UK product. Exportable (?) http://www.ncipher.com/ >o a high-end Alpha also performs rather nicely, according to some >benchmarks Eric Young once posted. All of the non-exportable ones sound like specialized cryptographic devices, which are of course evil threats to Yankee National Security, so of course they're not exportable. On the other hand, if they weren't crypto-specific, but just did modexps or other bignum stuff, as long as they weren't faster than a PentiumII-400, and didn't use the C-word in the product literature, they'd be exportable. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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RE: export restictions and investments
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:12 AM 11/20/1997 +0100, Lucky Green wrote: >At this point a brief overview of modexp accelerators might be in order: >o the Belgian chips I've seen are too slow. >o the Rainbow board is OK, but non-exportable. >o the Chrysalis PCMCIA card has the same performance as the Rainbow board >at half the price. Also non-exportable. >o the Ncipher SCSI based accelearator screams, but it a bit pricey. >UK product. Exportable (?) http://www.ncipher.com/ >o a high-end Alpha also performs rather nicely, according to some >benchmarks Eric Young once posted. All of the non-exportable ones sound like specialized cryptographic devices, which are of course evil threats to Yankee National Security, so of course they're not exportable. On the other hand, if they weren't crypto-specific, but just did modexps or other bignum stuff, as long as they weren't faster than a PentiumII-400, and didn't use the C-word in the product literature, they'd be exportable. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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