December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Further costs of war
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert Hettinga wrote: >Of course, all the pseudoconstitutionalist claptrap about the 16th >being unconstitutional is, of course, that. The constitution's what >the Supreme Court says it is, unfortunately. Personally, I do not believe in the infallibility of the Supreme Court. The people on the Court are just people. They can make mistakes. They can have ulterior motives. They can be corrupt. The Constitution is understood by many people to be something like a charter in which the people of the United States granted the government certain powers, reserving all others to themselves. The Constitution has meaning. The Supreme Court may not amend this meaning, it may only interpret it. When the Court makes a decision which is obviously not consistent with the meaning of the Constitution it is reasonable to say that the Court is in error. In an extreme situation many people would say that it is reasonable for the people of the United States to revoke the Charter granted to this government. Consider this scenario: Chief Justice Rehnquist appears in Court wearing a tutu. He declares that the Court has just decided that in emergency situations it is proper and Constitutional for the Supreme Court to take control of the government to protect democracy. Would it be reasonable to say that the Constitution had changed or would it be reasonable to put the Chief Justice in the loony bin? Let's take an example from history. The United States decides to enter World War I. People who are opposed to this war and to the draft make speeches opposing both policies. A law is passed forbidding this activity. The Chief Justice declares that speech may be controlled if it is akin to "yelling 'Fire!' in a crowded movie house." Following this logic, the government jails people who speak against the War and the draft. One of these people, Eugene Debs, campaigns from jail for the Presidency and gets about a million votes. Would it be proper to conclude that speaking against the War may be punished Constitutionally or that the Court had failed to carry out its duties? Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHm/SZaWtjSmRH/5AQEifgf/U1n6bFaEy66IyuezGhSG0AbDPCKBfwWd iMuqhy5ZoHqJR/v0RHw2Wupp3ACuYe/CgUrrftN0bzr8WaWThMr8H2kxsnxNoHX4 0cowJfnRxnJkSNoFKYa+t3y/otjYW+YRWBfoyKktvwiK30r7H2jisKPAoOCir8NP W5P10QhzKAvCp/16sCEpqYbzbXDnaiY9D55E6Ew7mLEECeGm+raATUvayksA+BT/ RNhZXQTYMYk7AfeqKxp7fuikQegTRbwC8d4G0jT6kduFOWvI4YaQIKam+eR8Dec9 jzDO5ckcPLaB80p6jQEc0nob4ltBz4mbDqqnc2YBfsAvTSKBIGKKCQ== =IzrC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Free speech and jlist groups press conf on ratings (12/1)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

** MEDIA ADVISORY ** Press Conference on Internet Ratings and Filtering WHO: Internet Free Expression Alliance (IFEA) WHAT: Press conference announcing the formation of IFEA, a coalition of organizations devoted to the continuation of the Internet as a forum for open expression and to identify new threats to free expression and First Amendment values on the Internet, whether legal or technological. WHEN: Monday, December 1, 12:30 p.m. WHERE: First Amendment Lounge National Press Club 14th & F Streets, N.W. Washington, DC WHY: To address the free speech issues raised by proposals to rate and filter "objectionable" content on the Internet. These proposals will be featured prominently at the White House-endorsed "Internet Online Summit" that opens on December 2. Representatives of the following IFEA member organizations will be available for comment: American Civil Liberties Union American Society of Newspaper Editors Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility Electronic Frontier Foundation Electronic Privacy Information Center Feminists for Free Expression Institute for Global Communications National Campaign for Freedom of Expression National Coalition Against Censorship Society of Professional Journalists CONTACT: David Sobel, EPIC: 202-544-9240 David Greene, NCFE: 202-393-2787 Emily Whitfield, ACLU: 212-549-2566 ..

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Free Crime! (Take One...) / Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Again Ray Arachelian wrote: > > Of course, it would be difficult to wash away all the FUD the government > > has disseminated about the Bell case by now. > Not so difficult. Remember that Bell stink-bombed those offices > allegedly. This could easily be seen as a teenage-mentality prank. > Play that part up, and the ludicrousness of everything else he was > "schemeing", and it makes the IRS look very very bad. They are pushing > the bad ass terrorist view of him. One way of looking at it is that a greater crime than he committed has already been 'paid for'. Whatever they add to his sentence will serve to increase the value of the 'gift certificate' Bell is buying for some lucky CypherPunk for Christmas. Since much of the authority of society revolves around guilt/shame, then a crime already paid for allows us to committ it without guilt. e.g. - Tim McVeigh I am tired of the whiners who cry out for the public hanging of every person deemed guilty by the justice system of 12 million jurors whipped into an emotional frenzy by the press and the government spin doctors, and who then bitch and moan when some servant of the Tao, such as Terrible Timmy, exercises the other side of the two-edged sword. Since McVeigh was a dead-duck anyway, it is a shame that he didn't just stand up in front of the jury with a history book and a calculator, do some figuring, and say, "By my calculations, not only is my crime already paid for, but 'we the people' still have plenty of 'credit' left on the account." ~~~ YouCanBetYourSweetAssIAmSending*This*PostAnonymouslyMonger

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Fear & Gloating in Tennessee
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From CNN(AP): Web posted at: 10:47 a.m. EST (1547 GMT) FRANKLIN, Tennessee (AP) -- Three books by photographers Jock Sturges and David Hamilton have received some critical praise, but a Tennessee county grand jury claims they may violate state obscenity laws. "The Age of Innocence" by Hamilton and "The Last Day of Summer" and "Radiant Identities" by Sturges were cited in the indictment against Barnes & Noble's Brentwood store. The obscenity charges focus on photographs of nude children in the books. I certainly hope that the prosecutor, judge and jury didn't look at those pictures. Probably turn them all into pedophiles, eh? Barnes & Noble was served with a summons to appear in Williamson County Criminal Court on December 1. Jerome Melson, an attorney for the Tennessee Press Association, said interpretations of what is obscene vary widely and he believes the grand jury is not looking to put anyone in jail. "They're probably just looking for a fine... to get the bookstore to change its manner," he said. "In other words, change your shelves." Oh! Voluntary/Mandatory under threat of imprisonment... Is it time for some new NewSpeak? Volundated -- Voluntary/Mandated Volundatory -- Voluntary/Mandatory Volutelse -- Voluntary/Or else! Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Sure it can. I just did it... TruthMonger

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by goddesshera＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Put it where the SUN don't shine...
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Microsoft spoofers, who work for Palladium Interactive software, didn't let the feel-good fest rain on their parade. They said their tiny Larkspur, Calif. company drew lots of interest in their parody of Microsoft's upcoming Windows 98 operating program, which goes by a name that can't be mentioned here because of its sexual connotations. The program includes games such as Billagotchi, an on-screen "cyber pet" that people need to feed money and tend to his needs or else he throws a tantrum. For example, the parody includes an icon for "MS Exploiter" that links to a Palladium Web site. And in a skit based on Star Trek, cartoon characters from the Star Ship Explorer blow up the SS Netscape. "The party line is if you don't have a booth, you can't hand out literature," said Rebecca Murphy, director of product marketing for the firm. "We're just trying to have some fun."

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Update On Jim Bell
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just a bit of new info about recent court actions, which is documented at: http://jya.com/jimbell-dock4.htm In short, on November 17 Jim's attorney (D') and the prosecutor (P') submitted Sentencing Memoranda to the Court. On November 21 (the previously scheduled sentencing date), D' presented a Supplement to Sentencing Memo. Both of D's memos were Filed Under Seal, but not the P's. On November 21 the Court acks receipt of the sentencing memoranda and a Pre-Sentencing Report (PSR) from the Probation Officer (PO). There was argument. The Court will present counsel with additional questions on sentencing. The sentencing is postponed (continued) until December 12. Jim, jail (D' remanded). Leg. wiz. w'll now expl. ths is just jive just. in No. 1 Amer.

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http:--www.cnn.com-US-9711-24-cyberhate.web.site.ap-
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Barnes and Noble Main banner Click here to see the Q phone from QUALCOMM, the highest evolution of digital. rule CIVIL RIGHTS WEB SITE TO FIGHT CYBERHATE CivilRights.org November 24, 1997 Web posted at: 6:01 p.m. EST (2301 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- Responding to President Clinton's call to fight hate crime, the nation's largest civil rights coalition and a regional Bell telephone company have created a Web site designed to combat Internet hate speech. The Leadership Conference on Civil Rights said Monday the site -- www.civilrights.org -- was developed and will be maintained for two years with a $100,000 contribution from Bell Atlantic. Clinton issued a call two weeks ago at a White House Conference on Hate Crimes to find ways to fight the problem. "You are providing an antidote to cyberhate," he told the civil rights coalition in a letter read by Transportation Secretary Rodney Slater at a news conference on Monday. Wade Henderson, LCCR executive director, said the idea to create a Web site was triggered by a proliferation of Internet hate speech by groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and White Aryan Resistance. Bell Atlantic chairman Ray Smith cited a study by the Anti-Defamation League showing the number of hate sites on the Internet has doubled to 250 in the past year. He called the new site "an antidote for poison." The idea is to "counter the frightening espousal of hatred and violence against Americans because of their race, gender, religious or sexual orientation," he said. Henderson said hate groups have become more sophisticated in communicating their doctrines and recruiting. "Instead of the street, they recruit on the net," he explained. There is also concern for the First Amendment protection of free speech, Henderson said. "This Web site will respond to hate with information and competing ideas without seeking to restrict Internet speech." In addition to providing information on hate crimes around the country, the site will explain various strategies to address those crimes and offer materials for young people, parents and teachers to encourage diversity. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. rule Related stories: * AllPolitics: Clinton denounces Denver's racial violence - November 22, 1997 * Denver seeks answers in apparent wave of hate crime - November 21, 1997 * Hate case raises Internet free speech issues - November 9, 1997 Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * CivilRights.org - Leadership Conference on Civil Rights * Bell Atlantic * American Communication Association WWW Archives + Freedom of Speech + Human Rights Issues External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] Click here to see the Q phone from QUALCOMM, the highest evolution of digital. rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Re: Further costs of war
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Fabrice Planchon wrote: >Once again, if 1812 the [British] invasion [of the United States] actually occured,... They burned the White House to the ground. Does that count? ;-) Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHnAi5aWtjSmRH/5AQENvAf+MfWfYAmSUYz5jT6W81H07uWtvAAeC7YV rEIo+CLWkxnFBmpBEmuw0bmJEO7SPvgdL7+YrdACrNFuRvXyg6PvfdOOfET0XjC2 FC6atL8fO2TUHDVz47TV57vvBcThJogcUKxVloLgaQTxhoTFlY/VW70T9kvS3VWl uUPrj/d5cDAojcRLVDwqTBPcpeWOp2RloICqbfD5LGBXKVflcMtMLiXGGyR0Cgd3 O8KfYpt+BoiO/IZHqokgVWxN+s+Y9HhEXTWLE8jgxfhGlTLqJUqgR7JWM5Mlh5wG S+qeBKMowlkvi42CtpBFQ/8MtmEZnaiCQof4IcUgOfTFYnfjcJfmRA== =P7qe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Seeing Both Sides
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert Hettinga wrote: >Concord is clearly proof that Britain didn't understand that they >couldn't control America anymore and acted on that misinformation. It >was *their* problem, as the revolution bore out. Britain would probably have been capable of controlling America had France not intervened. France provided desperately needed powder and money to the revolutionaries. During the siege of Boston it was seriously proposed that bow and arrows be employed due to powder shortages. Spears were actually prepared for use! France also provided officers to staff the poorly trained and organized American armies, troops, and even a navy. The final victory at Yorktown was largely a French operation, for example. Here is Richard N. Rosenfeld's take on it from "American Aurora": Page 418: "There are approximately 32,000 French soldiers and sailors at Yorktown, four to six times the number of George Washington's army, and more than twice, if not three times, the number of all Americans at Yorktown, including militia. Indeed, there are many more French soldiers on the ground than American Continentals. The entire blockading force at sea is French." Page 419: "Of French and American forces which encircle Charles Cornwallis at Yorktown, the naval part of this circle consists strictly of French warships (more than thirty) and sailors (nineteen thousand!). America has no warships in this naval blockade." Page 419: "Orchestrating the siege at Yorktown is strictly a matter for the French. Washington has no experience in siege warfare. The French perfected the art. Rochambeau has taken part in fourteen sieges! General Lebigne, the Chevalier Du Portail, and other French officers and engineers take charge of siege operations." Page 420: "Two French soldiers die for each American death at Yorktown. Two French soldiers are wounded for each American wound at Yorktown. French casualties exceed 250." Page 421: "British General Charles O'Hara, acting on behalf of General Charles Cornwallis (who has pleaded illness), attempts to surrender Cornwallis' (sic) sword to French Commander in Chief General the Comte de Rochambeau, but Rochambeau magnanimously refuses to accept the surrender weapon and directs the British general to George Washington." Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHnGVJaWtjSmRH/5AQH3hgf+LcvSRiufKxypdjVEXn5vbMa1Ob2IUfyY qSklLDEdYlRP2iOtl1dsLT/XIXaabo6F8lkAVqBXnXffiLd5ewzWs51jI9HEeoMa gtlfgUS49fxBeLeaojen1VVLvr4zkVWjATmspNk1SRu2l6Arc/3KgwPeYgX0A9+V 5fqguVO/frV4BH6wqnVyuKosO2DXoP8njVfjwuTybwO1yO1BQ4+EtgW1m6jkXIwE RjSZsGS7+KK2Ywu9eGWdC2Y0sOPG6k9zy/4zmm+xlttocYx75ixwCwYNWJihNfPe /uT8emxWak0aPAAynug6ZGPU3CXdRZ3JsWKB6a2s3kVgGiIQ2oLxrg== =ZZoe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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