December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Further costs of war
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robert Hettinga wrote: >Of course, all the pseudoconstitutionalist claptrap about the 16th being >unconstitutional is, of course, that. The constitution's what the Supreme >Court says it is, unfortunately. I don't agree with you on this one, Bob. The fact is that the 16th was never properly ratified. It slid through the cracks, contrary to the procedure for ratifying amendments as outlined in the Constitution. The reason there was no … [View More]public outcry was because the initial tax was 1% on anyone earning more than $4,000 a year (roughly $80,000 in today's money). Besides, I seriously doubt many people rushed down to the Treasury to cough up their 1% either. This deceptive non-ratification is clearly documented by Bill Benson in his book "The Law That Never Was" <http://www.trustclarks.com/theman.html>. Although his book has been in print for several years, I have yet to hear of anyone who has refuted his claims. The "pseudoconstitutionalist claptrap" that should be pointed out is your claim that "the constitution's what the Supreme Court says it is." Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution gives the Supreme Court judicial power "...to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution..." The words "under this Constitution" imply that the Supreme Court must work by the letter of the law as outlined in the Constitution. How can the Supreme Court pass a decision involving the 16th when the amendment was never ratified as outlined in Section V? These are the kind of shenanigans one would expect from a banana republic tribunal, not the Supreme Court. >Doesn't mean the damn thing shouldn't be repealed, though there's fat >chance of that. Why bother to repeal what never existed? When enough people learn what really happened, and when they couple it with the fact that most of their tax money is wasted and could be better "redistributed" according to their own individual judgement, the house of cards will collapse. > Oh well. Fortunately, we can fight back with digital bearer >settlement. Someday. Soon, I hope. I hope so, too. But I don't advocate waiting until that day to fight back. We can start now by learning the facts and then passing on that knowledge. Consider it to be the creation of a ready and willing market for digital bearer certificates. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNHowuBa1d3zm4nqOEQKtwwCg6gUxAKS4LcDpSG1h6g6Bfm9JmVcAn0Cn +lvOs1E10vZ5oXWl/GcHqKaW =wg93 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- [View Less]

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revq.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Revolutionary Quotes We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. John Wayne Allegheny Uprising Restrictions of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us. William O. Douglas The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as … [View More]his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty. Abraham Lincoln The Revolution was effected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people. This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. John F. Kennedy Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope...build(ing) a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. Robert F. Kennedy Those who suppress freedom always do so in the name of law and order. John V. Lindsay Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass All civilization has from time to time become a thin crust over a volcano of revolution. Havelock Ellis Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary. Reinhold Niebuhr This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it. Abraham Lincoln The French Revolution of a hundred and fifty years ago gradually ushered in an age of political equality, but the times have changed, and that by itself is not enough today. The boundaries of democracy have to be widened now so as to include economic equality also. This is the great revolution through which we are all passing. Jawaharlal Nehru If our economy of freedom fails to distribute wealth as ably as it has created it, the road to dictatorship will be open to any man who can persuasively promise security to all. Will Durant Any doctrine that weakens personal responsibility for judgement and for action helps create the attitudes that welcome and support the totalitarian state. John Dewey I call that mind free which jealously guards its intellectual rights and powers, which calls no man master, which does not content itself with a passive or hereditary faith, which opens itself to light whencesoever it may come, which receives new truth as an angel from Heaven. William Ellery Channing A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenel All the higher, more penetrating ideals are revolutionary. They present themselves far less in the guise of effects of past experience than in that of probable causes of future experience. William James A regime, an established order, is rarely overthrown by a revolutionary movement; usually a regime collapses of its own weakness and corruption and then a revolutionary movement enters among the ruins and takes over the powers that have become vacant. Walter Lippman Government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit and security of the people, nation or community; whenever any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community hath an indubitable, unalienable, indefeasible right, to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public Weal. George Mason You can never have a revolution in order to establish a democracy. You must have a democracy in order to have a revolution. G.K. Chesterton Here in America we a descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels- men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, we may never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. Dwight Eisenhower There is no substitute for a militant freedom. Calvin Coolidge He who would be free must strike the first blow. Frederick Douglass Those who give the first shock to a state are the first overwhelmed in its ruin; the fruits of public commotion are seldom enjoyed by him who was the first mover; he only beats the water for another's net. Michel De Montaigne There is a kind of revolution of so general a character that it changes the tastes as well as the fortunes of the world. La Rochefoucauld The art of revolutionizing and overturning states is to undermine established customs, by going back to their origin, in order to mark their want of justice. Blaise Pascal Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence. John Locke Everything I see about me is sowing the seeds of a revolution that is inevitable, though I shall not have the pleasure of seeing it. The lightning is so close at hand that it will strike at the first chance, and then there will be a pretty uproar. The young are fortunate, for they will see fine things. Voltaire The most sensible and jealous people are so little attentive to government that there are no instances of resistance until repeated, multiplied oppressions have placed it beyond a doubt that their rulers had formed settled plans to deprive them of their liberties; not to oppress an individual or a few, but to break down the fences of a free constitution, and deprive the people at large of all share in the government, and all the checks by which it is limited. John Adams It is an observation of one of the profoundest inquirers into human affairs that a revolution of government is the strongest proof that can be given by a people of their virtue and good sense. John Adams To dare: that is the whole secret of revolutions. Antoine Saint-Just An oppressed people are authorized whenever they can to rise and break their fetters. Henry Clay Wherever a man comes, there comes revolution. The old is for slaves. Ralph Waldo Emerson Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Working men of all countries, unite! Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels All men recognize the right of revolution: that is, the right to refuse allegiance to, or to resist, the government when its tyranny or its inefficiency are great and unendurable. Henry David Thoreau Insurgents are like conquerors: they must go forward. The moment they are stopped they are lost. Wellington Revolutions are not made: they come. A revolution is as natural a growth as an oak. It comes out of the past. Its foundations are laid far back. Wendell Phillips Revolutions never go backwards. William Henry Steward The French revolution was a machine invented and constructed for the purpose of manufacturing liberty; but it had neither lever cogs, nor adjusting powers, and the consequences were that it worked so rapidly that it destroyed its own inventors, and set itself on fire. C.C. Colton Great revolutions, whatever may be their causes, are not lightly commenced, and are not concluded with precipitation. Benjamin Disraeli A reform is a correction of abuses; a revolution is a transfer of power. E.G. Bulwer-Lytton Whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of a right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government; the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind. Declaration of Rights, Maryland There are but three ways for the populace to escape its wretched lot. The first two are by the routes of the wine-shop or the church; the third is by that of the social revolution. M.A. Bakunin Revolutions are not made by men in spectacles. Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. Revolutions are not made with rosewater. E.G. Bulwer-Lytton It is not the insurrections of ignorance that are dangerous, but the revolts of intelligence. James Russell Lowell The right to revolution is an inherent one. When people are oppressed by their government, it is a natural right they enjoy to relieve themselves of the oppression, if they are strong enough, either by withdrawal from it, or by overthrowing it and substituting a government more acceptable. U.S. Grant Revolutions can no longer be achieved by minorities. No matter how energetic and intelligent a minority may be, it is not enough, in modern times at least, to make a revolution. The cooperation of a majority, and a large majority too, is needed. Jean Jaures One of the chief symptoms of every revolution is the sharp and sudden increase in the number of ordinary people who take an active, independent and forceful interest in politics. Nikolai Lenin It is impossible to predict the time and progress of revolution. It is governed by its own more or less mysterious laws. But when it comes it moves irresistibly. Nikolai Lenin We must enter and take possession of the consciences of the children, of the consciences of the young, because they do belong, and should belong to the revolution. Plutarco Calles Those who are inclined to compromise can never make a revolution. Kemal Ataturk He that accepts protection, stipulates obedience. We have always protected the Americans; we may therefore subject them to government. Samuel Johnson If there was ever a just war since the world began, it is this in which America is now engaged. Thomas Paine I desired as many as could to join together in fasting and prayer, that God would restore the spirit of love and of a sound mind to the poor deluded rebels in America. John Wesley If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country I never would lay down my arms,- never! never! never! William Pitt The American Revolution was a vindication of liberties inherited and possessed. It was a conservative revolution. William E. Gladstone Who draws his sword against his prince must throw away the scabbard. James Howell Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson My call is the call of battle- I nourish active rebellion;/ He going with me must go well armed. Walt Whitman Disobedience in the eyes of any one who has read history is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion. Oscar Wilde Disobedience, the rarest and most courageous of the virtues, is seldom distinguished from neglect, the laziest and commonest of the vices. George Bernard Shaw Tyranny brings ignorance and brutality with it. It degrades men from their just rank into the class of brutes; it damps their spirits; it suppresses art; it extinguishes every spark of noble ardor and generosity in the breasts of those who are enslaved by it; it makes naturally strong and great minds feeble and little, and triumphs over the ruins of virtue and humanity. Jonathan Mayhew No government power can be abused long. Mankind will not bear it. Samuel Johnson Some boast of being friends to government; I am a friend to righteous government, to a government founded upon the principles of reason and justice; but I glory in publicly avowing my eternal enmity to tyranny. John Hancock The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. John Hay It is lawful and hath been held so through all ages for any one who have the power to call to account a tyrant or wicked king, and after due conviction to depose and put him to death. John Milton If a sovereign oppresses his people to a degree they will rise and cut off his head. There is a remedy in human nature against tyranny that will keep us safe under every form of government. Samuel Johnson 'Twixt kings and tyrants there's this difference known;/ Kings seek their subjects' good: tyrants their own. Robert Herrick The mob is easily led and may be moved by the smallest force, so that its agitations have a wonderful resemblance to those of the sea. Polybius The common people suffer when the powerful disagree. Phaedrus Do not wonder if the common people speak more truly than those above them: they speak more safely. Francis Bacon Do not be too severe upon the errors of the people, but reclaim them by enlightening them. Thomas Jefferson The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. Thomas Jefferson I am not among those who fear the people. They, and not the rich, are our dependence for continued freedom. Thomas Jefferson The welfare of the people is the supreme law. Motto of Missouri In your dread of dictators you established a state of society in which every ward boss is a dictator, every private employer a dictator, every financier a dictator, all with the livelihood of the workers at his mercy, and no public responsibility. George Bernard Shaw It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order. Thomas Jefferson Arbitrary rule has its basis, not in the strength of the state or the chief, but in the moral weakness of the individual, who submits almost without resistance to the domineering power. Friedrich Hatzel Despotism has forever had a powerful hold upon the world. Autocratic government, not self-government, has been the prevailing state of mankind. The record of past history is the record, not of the success of republics, but of their failure. Calvin Coolidge It violates right order whenever capital so employs the working or wage-earning classes as to divert business and economic activity entirely to its own arbitrary will and advantage, without any regard to the human dignity of the workers, the social character of economic life, social justice, and the common good. Pope Pius XI The foundation on which (our government is) built is the natural equality of man, the denial of every pre-eminence but that annexed to legal office, and particularly the denial of a pre-eminence by birth. Thomas Jefferson When the government violates the people's rights, insurrection is, for the people and for each portion of the people, the most sacred of rights and the most indispensable of duties. Marquis De Lafayette Revolution is the larva of civilization. Victor Hugo General rebellions and revolts of a whole people never were encouraged now or at any time. They are always provoked. Edmuns Burke It is only by instigation of the wrongs of men that what we call the rights of men become turbulent and dangerous. James Russell Lowell Revolutions are like the most noxious dungheaps, which bring into life the noblest vegetables. Napoleon When all other rights are taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect. Thomas Paine Caesar had his Brutus, Charles the First his Cromwell, and George the Third may profit by their example. If this be treason, make the most of it. Patrick Henry None but tyrants have any business to be afraid. Hardouin de Perefixe He who strikes terror into others is himself in continual fear. Claudian Tyrants have not yet discovered any chains that can fetter the mind. Colton There is something about men more capable of shaking despotic power than lightening, whirlwind, or earthquake, that is, the threatened indignation of the whole civilized world. Daniel Webster Anarchy is the sure consequence of tyranny; for no power that is not limited by laws can ever be protected by them. John Milton One sharp, stern struggle, and the slaves of centuries are free. George Massey The bigger a state becomes the more liberty diminishes. Jean Jacques Rousseau Every generation must wage a new war for freedom against new forces which seek through new devices to enslave mankind. Progressive Party Platform The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke Tyrants are always assassinated too late. That is their great excuse. E.M. Cioran There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Machiavelli Archimedes' Cockpit | Democracy Wall [View Less]

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quotes2.htm#During-the-War:
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Revolutionary War Quotations By Kristen Ballard Contents: Introduction | Before the War | During the War | Conclusion | Bibliography Introduction: Many famous quotes came from the Revolutionary War. Quotes were said by people to express and tell other people their feelings. Many quotes effected people during battles, and some quotes led to the beginning of some battles. _________________________________________________________________ … [View More] Before The War: "If this be treason, make the most of it!" This quote was said by Patrick Henry at the time of the Stamp Act in 1964. His purpose for saying this was to defend himself. This quote helped from a patriot group called the Stamp Act Congress. _________________________________________________________________ "If our Trade be taxed, why not our Lands, or Produce in short, everything we possess? They tax us without having legal representation." This quote was said by Samuel Adams after the Stamp Act of 1765. His purpose for saying this was to make people go against the idea of having the trade taxed. The effect it had was it made other Americans think about what had happened and many became discontent. _________________________________________________________________ "The distinctions between Virginians, Pennsylvanians, New Yorkers, and New Englanders are no more. I AM NOT A VIRGINIAN, BUT AN AMERICAN!" This quote was said by Patrick Henry in 1774 right after the Boston Tea Party had taken place. His purpose for saying this was to keep self-interest from destroying the common effort of some Americans. The effect it had was that it made American colonists work together and it angered the British. _________________________________________________________________ " the very tails of American sheep are so are so laden with wool that each sheep has little wagon to support its tail and to keep it from trailing on the ground." This quote was written by Benjamin Franklin after "Braddocks Defeat" in the London Chronicle. His purpose for saying this was to mock the English. It made the English mad and brought up several arguments about governing the colonies in America. _________________________________________________________________ " I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" This quote was said by Patrick Henry at a meeting of the First Continental Congress in 1774. His purpose for saying this was to make the Americans fight for liberty and independence. The effect it had was it played an important part on the making of the Declaration of Independence. _________________________________________________________________ During the War: "Dont fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." This quote was said by Captain John Parker after Paul Reveres ride in April of 1775 in the town of Lexington. His purpose for saying this was that he didnt want to start the war, but if the British did, they would fight. This began the Revolutionary War when one shot went off because all of the British men started firing furiously. _________________________________________________________________ "..Should the colonies send an army of two or three thousand man and attack Montreal, we should have little to fear from the Canadians or Indians, and would easily make a conquest of that place " This quote was written by Ethan Allen in 1775 after the war had begun. His purpose for saying this was because he wanted to fight the British and to tell his army that they shouldnt be afraid of the Indians or the Canadians because they could defeat them. This made it impossible for restoration of harmony. _________________________________________________________________ "I move that these united colonies ought to be free and independent" This quote was said by Richard Henry Lee in 1776 at the writing of the Deceleration of Independence. His purpose for saying this was to tell how the American colonists felt about freedom and independence. _________________________________________________________________ "On our side, the war should be defensive we are now in a [dangerous] position. Declining an engagement to flight may throw discouragement over the minds of many, but when the fate of America may be at Stake, we should continue the war as long as possible" This quote was written by George Washington in 1776. His purpose for saying this was to tell the Congress that the only way that the small Continental Army could win was to fight defensively, and to attack only when victory was certain. _________________________________________________________________ "Sink or swim, live or die, survive or perish." This quote was said be John Adams in 1776 just before the writing of the Declaration of Independence. The reason he said this was because he was standing up for the idea of the colonies being independent. _________________________________________________________________ "These are the times that try mens souls" This quote was written by Thomas Paine after the writing of the Declaration of Independence in a forty-seven page pamphlet called Common Sense. His purpose for saying this was to try to persuade the Americans to demand independence, rather then try to patch up their differences with Great Britain. The effect it had was it made George Washington start to prepare his army. _________________________________________________________________ "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country." This famous quote was said by Nathan Hale at the retreat of the British from New York in August of 1776. His purpose for saying this was these were his last words before he was hanged. This quote showed the spirit of the fighting Americans. _________________________________________________________________ "May it please Your Honor, I surrounded them!" This quote was said by Sam Clowney at the Battle of Camden. He said this because he was fooling five Tories into believing that he had a whole army with him. The effect it had was Clowney took them prisoner and he impressed Colonel Thomas. _________________________________________________________________ "Where a goat can go, a man can go; and where a man can go, he can drag a gun." This quote was said by Gentleman Johnny Burgoyne at the Battle at Mount Defiance. He said this to encourage his troops to drag their cannons and weapons up Sugarloaf Mountain (Mount Defiance). The effect it had was General St. Clair ordered the patriots to abandon the fort because they knew that they were at the mercy of the men on Sugarloaf Mountain. _________________________________________________________________ "Let us die here rather than retreat." This quote was said by Alexander Hamilton at the Battle of Monmouth. He said this to convince General Lee not to retreat. The effect it had was it gave General Lee hope. It also caused the British to retreat and sneak away to New York. _________________________________________________________________ "Tie up overcoats, pick touch-holes, fresh prime, and be ready to FIGHT!" This quote was said by Ben Cleveland at the Battle of Kings Mountain. He said this as the Americans were going out to fight the British. He said this to prepare his men for the battle. The effect it had was it made the Americans aware of how badly Cleveland wanted to win this battle. The Americans surrounded the British and took six hundred prisoners. _________________________________________________________________ "I know the cause it desperate; but Sir, we must either quit the country or attack." This quote was said by George Rogers Clark at the Battle of Vincennes in February of 1779. His reason for saying this was to convince Patrick Henry that Clark and his men must attack the Hair Buyer and his men or give up completely. The effect it had was the Indians fled because they believed Clark had about a thousand men at the bottom of a hill. _________________________________________________________________ "I have not yet begun to fight!" This quote was said by John Paul Jones at the battle between the Bonhomme Richard and the Serapis in September of 179. His purpose for saying this was to show that he was not going to give up. The effect it had was the battle continued for two more hours and soon after that, the Serapis toppled into the water, forcing Pearson to surrender. _________________________________________________________________ "I request you will witness to the world that I die like a brave man." This quote was said by John André at the attack from West Point in August of 1780. He said this because he was hanged when he was pronounced a spy and even though he didnt do the crime he didnt fight to get free. It had a big effect on certain people. Sir Henry Clinton locked himself in his room for three days, and the English newspapers raged over the hanging. They called it murder. _________________________________________________________________ "We began a contest for liberty ill provided with the means for the war, relying on our patriotism to supply the deficiency. We expected to encounter many wants and distressed we must bear the present evils and fortitude" This quote was said by George Washington at the battle of West Point in 1781. He wrote this because he was telling the army and the people on the home front not to give up or lose heart in the battle. _________________________________________________________________ Conclusion: Many quotations had important effects on most of the people in the Revolutionary War. They made some people very mad, some happy, some confused, and they even made some people proud. Quotes had a lot of thought put into them. Some people have to this awhile before they can understand them. Bibliography: Ingraham, Leonard W. An Album of the Americans Revolution. New York, New York: Franklin Watts, 1971 Lawson, Don. The American Revolution; Americas Fist War for Independence. New York, New York: Abenlard-Schuman, 1974 Reeder, Colonel Red. The Story of the Revolutionary War. New York, New York: Meredith Press, 1959 _________________________________________________________________ Table of Contents | Projects Menu | Greece Home Page [View Less]

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Diamonds, diamonds.
by cypango＠mxtro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypango Ventures Ltd. ( http://www.mxtro.com/cypango ) is poised to join the ranks of Canada's leading diamond producers. It is anticipated that Canada will produce 25 % of the world's diamonds by the end of 1998. Cypango has acquired controlling interest in over 3.5 million acres which surround the soon to be producing BHP/DiaMet properties in Canada's Northwest Territories. BHP/DiaMet is expected to be in production next year, and Cypango Ventures, Ltd. has already located five "… [View More]

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Re: Anonymity at any cost, from The Netly News
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 12:31 PM 11/24/97 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >********* > >http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1594,00.html > >The Netly News (http://netlynews.com/) >November 24, 1997 > >Anonymity At Any Cost >by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) The conference must have been interesting. I wish I'd been there. A few random thoughts: 1. The article doesn't bring this out, but Infonex hosts many/most of the US based remailers,… [View More] including the one Joey Grasty and I run (ran, actually, as we are facing a technical problem at the moment due to an anti-spam measure taken by Infonex). This makes Lance a "choke point," just as Sameer was when c2 was in the ISP business. ISPs with that "go get a warrant/court order" attitude aren't too common. Telecommunications businesses (especially phone companies) have historically cooperated with law enforcement. 2. I think that the courts will look at paid-for anonymity cases in a different way from cases where anonymity is "donated" by trouble- makers like Joey Grasty. I doubt, for example, that the feds learned nothing in the Zimmermann case about picking defendants. My buddy Joey - working at Motorola and living with a wife, cute kid, mother in law, and cat - is fortunately not that defendant, IMO. A nasty- looking Austrian Nazi, paying a US provider to break Austrian laws, just might be. [Ironic that the anonymity which protects him would certainly be outlawed under the very system that he advocates.] 3. I'd be interested to know the make-up of, and arguments put forth by, the group(s) which decided the government should limit anonymity. Obviously, they weighed the costs differently than many of us would. 4. No remailer operator that I am aware of would keep logs for Freeh, we'd all shut down instead. Keeping records, even if not directly for law enforcement, automatically makes you a target for them, and for compelled disclosure by civil attorneys in discovery. "Don't do it, mon." If (when) a law or treaty gets passed with the effect of outlawing anonymous browsing/remailers, it won't appear with a nice, easy to understand preface that says: "this is an act to outlaw anonymity, and/or require anonymous service providers to keep records for law enforcement." It will probably look more like the recent criminal copyright bill, and rely on hard-to-interpret words like "willful," which morph as they move from a civil to a criminal realm. My old nemesis, the changing definition of the word "escrow," was merely a warning. Future definition fudging is unlikely to be as brazen, but will probably be just as dangerous to freedom and privacy. JMR [Since I'm not directly on c-punks, please cc any replies to me.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh. iQEPAwUBNHqCXzUhsGSn1j2pAQF8HQfPUeky+/W6P077mmptFwc0HziiD5rJFsCH xKp7Y5Pbwzvy2l9OIEzWkWgmyqYUCE5jAz3N+E2haQFhRRs10DQB+vki7WO15116 sbOpq+8lRoFAFD/ulKlQGYcTB3bv0YpC+A8T0SR52uNPnJxh0M3OKqk02n4cb0+4 3IZYIGXZ/5w2EbZzx76/KpeyzkUbRMfFElx6Yk1uy3u7ilzLkAX5zFJ5+Pb/iriD tS8XCDtJsVVYFM9aYcuSFDwWMfn3Ocb0BB43kIM2ugELkWwLdryinDFn0DN2GofG twGN3aYCMe94f3hm9UINORyOIkJAp0ywCAAZ+xFajrFKyw== =LFAt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- [View Less]

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Re: Further costs of war
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Fabrice Planchon wrote: >On Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 02:20:34AM +0100, Anonymous [Monty Cantsin] wrote: >> Fabrice Planchon wrote: >> >Once again, if 1812 the [British] invasion [of the United States] actually occured,... >> >> They burned the White House to the ground. Does that count? ;-) > >Oups... of course I made a typo, and everybody read "in 1812 >yadayadayada". And yes it counts and I like it... I assume you are … [View More]

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For the ADD Afflicted
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Check out http://www.handle.org for an alternative solution to drugs. .. Blanc

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Re: Free speech and jlist groups press conf on ratings (12/1)
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:34 PM 11/24/97 -0800, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > ** MEDIA ADVISORY ** > > Press Conference on Internet Ratings and Filtering > > >WHO: Internet Free Expression Alliance (IFEA) > >WHAT: Press conference announcing the formation of IFEA, a coalition of >organizations devoted to the continuation of the Internet as a forum for >open expression and to identify new threats to free expression and First >Amendment … [View More]

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Re: Anonymity at any cost, from The Netly News
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:31 PM 11/24/97 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >********* >http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1594,00.html >The Netly News (http://netlynews.com/) >November 24, 1997 >Anonymity At Any Cost >by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) > When Lance Cottrell created an easy-to-use anonymous e-mail service > back in 1994, he feared that nobody would use it. "I used to be > worried that people didn't want anonymity enough to pay for it," > he … [View More]

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Arthritis Suffer's!!! Read this NOW!!!
by srf＠venus.gmds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Doctor's Report Confirms: "ARTHO" brings faster, safer, more effective relief right to the source of pain. Artho is the best way to treat arthritis suffering. When you rub "ARTHO", you rub pain out. This is because it's the only fast, effective, and safe formula that works through the skin delivering relief directly to the point of pain and inflammation with unbelievable analgesic power and speed. Only "ARTHO" offers all of the following advantages to arthritis sufferers: 1) "ARTHO" … [View More]produces its amazing pain relief as it soothes and cools (it is greaseless, odorless, and generates no heat). 2) It has been proven effective in extensive clinical tests-including double blind studies. 3) Thousands of satisfied customers attest to its effectiveness with their letters and reorders. 4) It will not upset your stomach nor produce other undesirable side effects. 5) Pain and inflammation begin to subside immediately-often within minutes. 6) Since "ARTHO" is absorbed directly into the pain area, it can remain in the tissues longer providing longer lasting relief. Don't take our word: Take the word from one of the thousands of satisfied customers Dear Sir, I am a 78 year old woman who out of desperation ordered your product Artho. I have suffered with arthritis for the last 20 years of my life and have tried every product on the market. Never have I found a product that has given me such wonderful results as Artho. It has enabled me to do things I have given up on. The relief this product has given me is beyond words. I just had to write and let you know about the wonderful results of your product. Words can not thank you enough. Ruth Kaufman Boca Raton, Fl N.C.S. HOLIDAY SPECIAL Double Your Order Coupon Act Fast! Return your order form Today and experience the faster, Safer and more effective relief right to the source of your pain. THE ARTHO GUARANTEE OF COMPLETE SATISFACTION Artho will help relieve the pain and discomfort of arthritis more effectively than any other product you've ever tried or we will refund the purchase price. Just return the unused portion or empty jar (we suggest you use the entire supply to give yourself every chance of arthritis relief) with proof of purchase within 60 days. HOLIDAY SPECIAL THE ARTHO ORDER FORM To order ARTHO, please mail order form to: N.C.S. PO Box 1242 Snellville, GA 30278-1242 Enclosed is my check or money order for $____________payable to NCS Name____________________________________________________ Address_________________________________________________ City,State,Zip__________________________________________ Description Price How Many Total Artho,One Month Supply $34.95 ________ ________ Artho,Two Month Supply $49.95 ________ ________ Artho,Three Month Supply $59.95 ________ ________ Shipping & Handling FREE____ Total ________ srfne02 [View Less]

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