December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Diamonds, diamonds.
by cypango＠mxtro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Anonymity at any cost, from The Netly News
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 12:31 PM 11/24/97 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >********* > >http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1594,00.html > >The Netly News (http://netlynews.com/) >November 24, 1997 > >Anonymity At Any Cost >by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) The conference must have been interesting. I wish I'd been there. A few random thoughts: 1. The article doesn't bring this out, but Infonex hosts many/most of the US based remailers, including the one Joey Grasty and I run (ran, actually, as we are facing a technical problem at the moment due to an anti-spam measure taken by Infonex). This makes Lance a "choke point," just as Sameer was when c2 was in the ISP business. ISPs with that "go get a warrant/court order" attitude aren't too common. Telecommunications businesses (especially phone companies) have historically cooperated with law enforcement. 2. I think that the courts will look at paid-for anonymity cases in a different way from cases where anonymity is "donated" by trouble- makers like Joey Grasty. I doubt, for example, that the feds learned nothing in the Zimmermann case about picking defendants. My buddy Joey - working at Motorola and living with a wife, cute kid, mother in law, and cat - is fortunately not that defendant, IMO. A nasty- looking Austrian Nazi, paying a US provider to break Austrian laws, just might be. [Ironic that the anonymity which protects him would certainly be outlawed under the very system that he advocates.] 3. I'd be interested to know the make-up of, and arguments put forth by, the group(s) which decided the government should limit anonymity. Obviously, they weighed the costs differently than many of us would. 4. No remailer operator that I am aware of would keep logs for Freeh, we'd all shut down instead. Keeping records, even if not directly for law enforcement, automatically makes you a target for them, and for compelled disclosure by civil attorneys in discovery. "Don't do it, mon." If (when) a law or treaty gets passed with the effect of outlawing anonymous browsing/remailers, it won't appear with a nice, easy to understand preface that says: "this is an act to outlaw anonymity, and/or require anonymous service providers to keep records for law enforcement." It will probably look more like the recent criminal copyright bill, and rely on hard-to-interpret words like "willful," which morph as they move from a civil to a criminal realm. My old nemesis, the changing definition of the word "escrow," was merely a warning. Future definition fudging is unlikely to be as brazen, but will probably be just as dangerous to freedom and privacy. JMR [Since I'm not directly on c-punks, please cc any replies to me.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh. iQEPAwUBNHqCXzUhsGSn1j2pAQF8HQfPUeky+/W6P077mmptFwc0HziiD5rJFsCH xKp7Y5Pbwzvy2l9OIEzWkWgmyqYUCE5jAz3N+E2haQFhRRs10DQB+vki7WO15116 sbOpq+8lRoFAFD/ulKlQGYcTB3bv0YpC+A8T0SR52uNPnJxh0M3OKqk02n4cb0+4 3IZYIGXZ/5w2EbZzx76/KpeyzkUbRMfFElx6Yk1uy3u7ilzLkAX5zFJ5+Pb/iriD tS8XCDtJsVVYFM9aYcuSFDwWMfn3Ocb0BB43kIM2ugELkWwLdryinDFn0DN2GofG twGN3aYCMe94f3hm9UINORyOIkJAp0ywCAAZ+xFajrFKyw== =LFAt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Further costs of war
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Fabrice Planchon wrote: >On Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 02:20:34AM +0100, Anonymous [Monty Cantsin] wrote: >> Fabrice Planchon wrote: >> >Once again, if 1812 the [British] invasion [of the United States] actually occured,... >> >> They burned the White House to the ground. Does that count? ;-) > >Oups... of course I made a typo, and everybody read "in 1812 >yadayadayada". And yes it counts and I like it... I assume you are in the U.S. on a visa, right? I would recommend using a remailer for this sort of seditious comment. (Seriously!) >...(just because the initial reason for this mess was the tentative >to take over Canada, and it just illustrates that the US were already >as any other country, trying to take over their neighbours ;-) Of >course nowadays you don't see that they miserabily failed on that >occasion) As late as the 1930s, the U.S. Army had detailed plans for an invasion of Canada. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHpuAJaWtjSmRH/5AQGbXwf8C7ydmQft6ooWXS5iJm7nZvSqLpgPLdBL rfbaNSu08/tgWjVpTY/LHzwcNmBGn29vIzUrNY9b+cy3ROlXf1XFfZf6sVyei9Lf WPG6AFT3MxbcHF8RoknJUCYmImPTCWKtVeCKoscyEfhIj6uG9m8gbVF5TlwT90C7 cb+OdRBprnY2OUlEWhNAQ++tTpr7lhLlQY4qe5Tah5Jk95iMcZZghyqX0//4zb9t Fak1REGlnXIq+pvJQcYulJQL5iorbuETOIEekOimCiCW9pqq1xjXLdG24rXqg1V5 4r6NPcdCq15Z9o83j+r7+yJlt90ibSv/rAnNHncEwmA0EHZlcVjGtA== =7xnG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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For the ADD Afflicted
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Check out http://www.handle.org for an alternative solution to drugs. .. Blanc

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Re: Free speech and jlist groups press conf on ratings (12/1)
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:34 PM 11/24/97 -0800, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > ** MEDIA ADVISORY ** > > Press Conference on Internet Ratings and Filtering > > >WHO: Internet Free Expression Alliance (IFEA) > >WHAT: Press conference announcing the formation of IFEA, a coalition of >organizations devoted to the continuation of the Internet as a forum for >open expression and to identify new threats to free expression and First >Amendment values on the Internet, whether legal or technological. > >WHEN: Monday, December 1, 12:30 p.m. > >WHERE: First Amendment Lounge > National Press Club > 14th & F Streets, N.W. > Washington, DC > >WHY: To address the free speech issues raised by proposals to rate >and filter "objectionable" content on the Internet. Is there any suggestion as to the first meaning to define "objectionable"? Of course not. That would limit the number of expense paid trips around the country definitions the organization paying the bills does not agree with. "Objectionable" means anyone can write off a pseudo-vacation. And you do not eveb have to show up for the sessions and interupt the sightseeing tour. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Re: Anonymity at any cost, from The Netly News
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:31 PM 11/24/97 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >********* >http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1594,00.html >The Netly News (http://netlynews.com/) >November 24, 1997 >Anonymity At Any Cost >by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) > When Lance Cottrell created an easy-to-use anonymous e-mail service > back in 1994, he feared that nobody would use it. "I used to be > worried that people didn't want anonymity enough to pay for it," > he says. Today his company, Infonex, boasts 3,000 customers who > pay $60 a year to browse the Web without leaving behind digital > footprints. Making the cookie read only and erasing previous additions does the same thing for free. Cottrell is PT Barnum speaking. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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by srf＠venus.gmds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: NBC Mugs Jim Bell
by John Kelsey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [ To: cypherpunks ## Date: 11/21/97 ## Subject: Re: NBC Mugs Jim Bell ] >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:34:33 -0500 >From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> >Subject: NBC Mugs Jim Bell >An NBC News story this evening on the threat of CB terrorism >full-screened a closeup of Jim Bell's mug shot, the same as >the lead photo in US News last week. The story presented >much the same line and Internet sources of frightening >information but did not balance it with a sidebar on >burgeoning anti-terrorist opportunism as did US News. I guess the good news is, we've finally figured out why they've been holding him so long before sentencing--to make sure he doesn't miss any of his scheduled media events. Or perhaps, given the nature of the coverage, to make sure he *does* miss them all. We need a good posterboy for one of the Four Horsemen, to ensure the passage of next year's Guaranteeing Freedom through Imposition of a Benevolent Police State Act of 1999, and the following year's appointment of first lady Tipper Gore as Internet Czar. --John Kelsey, Counterpane Systems, kelsey(a)counterpane.com PGP 2.6 fingerprint = 4FE2 F421 100F BB0A 03D1 FE06 A435 7E36 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNHYfO0Hx57Ag8goBAQFQgAQA6blKyFsP+k79lTdq5NWJXV5HQGk6l2LR cl4xQGZuYsDcZNOlWnAVsxvS7dVN+lU6wAgYJkUhsuNvOSFnC9Op32scmrPg8pQ+ XTS5EsdaGMi1o+AefVnnoOvcLZxOoprkk1bIk6/gbD9fjGvS8zapgtvL22oXmQJt a2C0GvDa2/w= =Vmm6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --John Kelsey, Counterpane Systems, kelsey(a)counterpane.com PGP 2.6 fingerprint = 4FE2 F421 100F BB0A 03D1 FE06 A435 7E36

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PGP 5.0 ConsensuS?? -- is it usable?
by goddesshera＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Do you think that it is a good idea to migrate from pgp 2.6.3 to pgp 5.0 now? This message was automatically remailed. The sender is unknown, unlogged, and nonreplyable. Send complaints and blocking requests to <goddesshera(a)juno.com>.

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News of Jim Bell
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous forwarded three local news stories about Jim's sentencing: http://jya.com/jimbell6.htm An excerpt: In a hearing in U.S. District Court in Tacoma this morning, Bell 's public defender and an assistant U.S. Attorney recommended a 6-to-12-month jail sentence for Bell as part of a plea-bargain agreement. But federal probation officers recommended a sentence of 27 months. In doing so, they said they were looking at the "totality" of Bell's behavior, including the threatening nature of his Internet essay, "Assassination Politics." As a result, U.S. District Court Judge Franklin D. Burgess said he was uncomfortable with the situation. "Somehow I am getting a feeling that somebody knows more about something than I do," Burgess said. Also reported: Jim had encrypted some of his files. And though "Bell plead guilty to relatively innocuous charges" IRS investigators compared him to The Unabomber and Tim McVeigh, and claimed he was "part of a far darker scheme to assassinate IRS agents and topple the U.S. government."

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