December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Alternative Apology
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

igor said: >I am sorry for the recent interruption of the cypherpunks mailing list. >The dog ate my computer. Then Joichi Ito ate my dog. > >Igor Igor, Japanese dont eat dog, that is the Koreans and Vietnamese. doormouse

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Re: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Scientology war update
by Tim Griffiths 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wired has a good article on how the war of words on alt.scientology.religion has split over into dawn raids and hardware seizures: http://www.wired.com/wired/3.12/features/alt.scientology.war.html If this is what can be achieved, think what can happen when the government _really_ puts its back it suppression. Time to PGP every file I own... Tim -- Dr Tim Griffiths is in real life t.griffiths(a)ic.ac.uk Vmail on (0)-1392-264197 Public key available - finger tim(a)tim01.ex.ac.uk - Nothing is trivial -

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The Subliminal Algebra-Seinfield Conspiracy
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is it a mere coincidence that algebra.com went down and proceeded to send out all received messages in reverse order on the _same_day_ that the Seinfield TV show featured a reverse-order-plot show? Picking up a little corporate spare-change, Igor? JerryMonger

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And made to write bad checks...
by Spin Doctor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* In August the Johor Baru Religious Affairs Department in Malaysia announced that convicted sexual "deviants" would, in addition to serving prison time as punishment, be bound and whipped. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEWS OF THE WEIRD, founded in 1988, is a nationally syndicated newspaper column distributed by Universal Press Syndicate. Individuals may have the columns mailed to them electronically, free of charge, approximately three weeks after the cover date, which is the date when most subscribing newspapers will publish the column. Send a message to notw-request(a)nine.org with the Subject line of Subscribe. To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.)

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The 4th Great Awakening
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Read "Speed" by William Burroughs.

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Re: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 at 11:27:12 -0500 Bob Hettinga had an epileptic fit induced by excessive pressure in his swollen head and vomited forth: > Tim can make it as "repeatedly clear" as he wants after > the fact. However, he has, on several occasions, made > threats against people with more guns than he has, and, > sooner or later, they're gonna Aw, bullshit, Bob! You were wrong when you started this fuckfest and you're digging yourself deeper and deeper with every post. There was a time when I thought you had a brain and a modicum of common sense, but you've thoroughly disabused me of that fantasy. I once visited your website and thought, "This guy is cool!" Geez, I'm embarrassed to admit that now. You've taken Tim's comments out of context and done yeoman work for the enemy. If (or when) they ever find an excuse to bother him, they won't be showing _his_ posts to the jury -- they'll be showing _yours_, you clueless fuckwit. This is the age of "social convictions," in case you haven't noticed because you've been living in an e-cave. They don't prove cases anymore; they show that you're a "bad actor." It's all done with PR, whether totally in the press or partly in a courtroom. The first piece of paper the feds send out when they attack someone is a press release. The victim often first learns he's in trouble when the reporters call. > ...lucidity, but who has gotten increasingly radicalized > and militant at exactly the same time the world is figuring > out that his earlier... Maybe you're too young, child. The world is not figuring things out fast enough or on a large enough scale to offset the accelerating advance of the state. Tim has been around long enough to have figured out that the statists have pissed away his entire lifetime making him wait for things to get "figured out." You have no respect for your elders, who have gotten bored over more things than you have yet learned. You should be spanked and made to sit in the corner until you can behave. > It's almost as if Tim keeps trying to top himself, with > some newer and more grandiose claim about the impending > collapse of the world as we know it. It just ain't so. > The world don't work that way. Tell that to the Athenians and hundreds if not thousands of groups since who have been surprised when their worlds collapsed. Tell that to the Austrians and Germans of the 1920's. Tell that to the piles of bones in Cambodia. You suffer from the subjectivity of youth. You think that the universe revolves around your time and space and that those are unique in human experience. You're wrong. The times into which we are headed have every promise of being the very most "interesting" in human history. I for one won't feel a bit compensated by your future whines that you "wuz wrong!" If you had two brain cells to rub together you would have taken your lumps in Tim's first brushoff and shut up. He's got a right to his position and you haven't got shit. What you will have is a place in someone's black book if it turns out that your characterizations of Tim's posts ever turn out to be fuel for the enemy's meatgrinder. Ignorance, even stupidity, are pardonable if not too tightly connected to the motor mouth. You should consider that the damage you may do could far exceed the value of whatever pride it is that impels you to continue to articulate the government's ideal (and fatuous) arguments in this matter. > And, Monty, here's another fact: the world isn't going to > end on Thanksgiving Day, much less at the beginning of the > millennium. Only a complete fool would be that sure. > Armed storm troopers are probably *not* going to decend > on the denizens of this list and haul them off to newly > built gulags in the Rockies somewhere, or whatever the > current fantasy of the moment is. Really, if you just stopped and thought about it a moment, there are only a very few regular posters to the list. All of them could be hauled off without making a ripple. We are meanwhile playing war footsie with Iraq after having spent the better part of five years doing Clinton's best to disable, demoralize, cripple, and mismanage the military. We're a few press conferences away from being in way over our heads with a left-wing android in charge. Is this your picture of stable times and a secure Constitution? Do you seriously doubt that there are people in the Administration, at least in the bureaucracy, who wouldn't like to be able to make a few gratuitous PR linkages in a national emergency and have an excuse to get rid of the C-P annoyance once and for all? Did you miss entirely the personal destruction wreaked on Jim Bell _without_ a national emergency? Would you be utterly shocked to learn some day soon that you, too, have ordered odd chemicals from someplace or other over the last few years? Hey! It could _happen_! > However, to say that they're coming to take us all away > on Thanksgiving, or anytime soon, is more than a little > paranoid, and, No, Grasshopper, it is just a _little_ paranoid to suggest that it might be a possibility. You're putting words in Tim's mouth again. You can probably assume that if Tim were really convinced that that were going to happen, they would find only an inflatable Tim sitting in front of a 'puter relaying email through an indirect dial link. Or something like that. He's just concerned. I'm concerned. Anyone with a brain above room temperature is concerned. Ugly things are in the wind. > to attempt to force a confrontation in hopes of > preciptating a revolution, or even gratuitous publicity Why, Grasshopper! He's done no such thing and you well know it. You are the one making such characterizations (as if any of us needed that). Had I the time and the interest, I would check what archives there are to see if you did the same favor for Jim Bell. Fuckwit! Well, there's more, but your time's up. See you in the camps. We Jurgar Din

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Your Papers, Please
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Network World, November 15, 1997: Welcome To Cyberspace. Your Papers Please? About a year ago, the Treasury Department issued a little-noticed discussion document entitled "Selected Tax Policy Implications of Global Electronic Commerce" (www.ustreas.gov) Beavering away in obscurity, these unelected technocrats have almost finished turning the broad "implications" into detailed regulations. Like most tax rulings, these regulations require no further congressional action to have the force of law. So, while rehabilitated Clinton apparatchik Ira Magaziner was out mesmerizing the digerati with his "Framework for Global Electronic Commerce," promising free markets and no new taxes, the green-eyeshade boys were quietly laying the groundwork to launch the IRS into cyberspace. ... The classic strategy of forcing reporting requirements on key "taxing points," such as banks, clearinghouses and other financial institutions, is not likely to work as the need for intermediation on the Internet will be vastly reduced. In many ways, that's the whole point of electronic commerce. Any reporting burdens must be pushed out to the end points of each transaction. How will this be done? This is where Big Brother may arrive big time. Under active consideration is a plan to require taxpayers to obtain digital IDs for all electronic transactions, keeping records that could be examined on audit. The IDs would be issued by IRS certified agencies, subject to government developed standards to ensure that proper identity checks are performed before anyone is allowed to shop online. The IRS would enforce this by issuing its own digital certificates to issuers of digital IDs so that they can electronically prove that they have received IRS certification. The technology they need to make this happen is available. All that's missing are the regulations forcing compliance. So, stay tuned. If you enjoyed the encryption key escrow debate, you'll love this one. Bill Frezza -----

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Minsky Manufactures Privacy...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Somewhere in the bowels of an active location transponder discussion on the wearables list... Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text X-Sender: minsky(a)mailhub.media.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:29:19 -0500 To: wearables(a)media.mit.edu From: Marvin Minsky <minsky(a)media.mit.edu> Subject: Re: location vs. tracking "David P. Reed" <dpreed(a)reed.com> worries: >[they can use active tracking of you] for various 'public benefits' (such as antiterrorism, antipedophilia, anti-anti-gov't thinking, and monitoring any personal, non-business interactions, among employees. ) Did you mean to include antiterrorism? >There's always a plausible reason that can be used to override >whatever privacy policies and safeguards are designed into such a system. If the reasons really are plausible, then those overrides should be added to the system design. >It's sad that our public institutions now tend to view everyone as a >potentially evil person... Do you mean all public institutions? Perhaps, instead, we should try to design tracking systems that include public review mechanisms -- so that whenever anyone (e.g., your employer) accesses your record against the privacy policy, they'll be subject to legal sanctions and damages. The issues of privacy are pretty complicated: for example, if someone has been furtively following you, some future technology might permit you to authorize someone you trust to find out who it is. Ed Fredkin once asked a number of people how they would feel about a new device with which you could select almost anyone in the world, and make the device produce a loud noise near them. They all objected angrily. Then Ed said, "It already exists. It's called the telephone." --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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DaBORG
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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