December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Hard To Read PGP 5.5 Key
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Benjamin Chad Wienke" <woodwose(a)mailexcite.com> posted a message with the PGP 5.5 key attached below. My Eudora 3.0.3 plugin couldn't find any PGP-relevant information, though I had no problem using PGPtray's Add Key From Clipboard. PGP 5.0 indicates it's an RSA key and doesn't show anything special about it like CMR :-) - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 mQENAzRgm1kAAAEIAKuDuhI2L3bR4InCJxzaiPLtLHU+tFaD8NeVWAh+XiYme5Cp aH5oKDUVzPFoSTidYC11xB5VIXRX6yCnjk5MqX3VlKJ+hVv/4vY20ZlVBaDc8IZ5 GvrEc8+iify3OdOkh3p4FuUbT2rgV/QO8n1UPOfwpzPAF/cqznqgUHuupB6+/k1n 7y6vCMQp1GmOZP9LO6MqZOKmtzKbrBNwio+Yp+vGFv0/HDW1ZD1bIIQL+ZhEXVR7 0Px5u8yeGUer6vdmz8S44s76JPnYPGU5z7vprndc5QHMIjQY9ZUWxlvsR43s1RuZ 0r+1f35f4LhxCOyf2FLV6+hI9Rjd9Uu3rrYNJeEABRG0HFdvb2R3b3NlIDxXb29k d29zZUBkZXYubnVsbD6JARUDBRA0YJtZ9Uu3rrYNJeEBAcLbB/90co6BJRGtIrNZ 2BqiA8+VrsGQMzUfCl4cas4i+G0aKigkemW/TlbSUEF7YIk7bh/ZQ49eAGucrfM5 NICAqSSzNQx+3h2pzYn/uN5+55QOLho4PwwJw+qr31o+weuIgyoMuECNb2IZUtGn fwfC3MZtZrqwfSzoXpJRZNQCrj+lZKUc14VEJ9kcw1Vt93+E6dTPd+GgyAlcbZ9v 6thY86iTmccCDMv5tPvrAQ/buPHZif1mFs3Ii2pBZ06gpypj2vVTJ63wp5tfASZL RwfXJT3CmjiCQFpHQIGNDwZmc4YaFaFUGobI47nEJXksdTrE8o1f9ISwrDc2RZIX +VP1+pyo =7OWl - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQBUAwUBNHAMZfthU5e7emAFAQG6kAH4zcbnumeZlyG6N5jP5TLPHVQYXM82P314 su1zAC/GnrlwtAnwgN8UtlYpr+Gkz8SkIK740DCgc+PRirzfF0K6 =c1lS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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KC is an Idiot
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:00 AM 11/16/97 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote: >Hmm -- I've been robbed at gunpoint 3 times, pistol-whipped once. The >perpetrators were all minorities; none were ever caught. Possessing a >gun at the time wouldn't have made a positive difference in any of the >cases, incidentally. (I own several guns; I am quite familiar with >guns; I no longer really have a use for them, though.) I thought Kent was a liberal suckup shill, but now I realize he is merely a stupid jackass. Unless Kent walks around in a semipermanent state of rectal defilade, having a gun in his posession WOULD have made a significant difference in each case. A certain amount of situational awareness IS required to have your gun aimed at the punk(s) before the punks get the drop on you. Anyone unable to be aware of their surroundings deserves whatever they get--natural selection removing stupid genes from the pool and all that. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNG/tXPVLt662DSXhAQF89Qf+PDc57MywdPm+Fq3UxUekkbwRs9Ltp8bo 1owPCO2Ea3rBTm7+sWBklDNbNc2RXA0Id6BZv3PDxkJtKvimsMiaQ9jfxk/x+tts jNpZWSJnN3AJWdsqF1t9nD7A6cVl/MAS5gC6A16rNcG1IKVCB4Om6kD9e1Dc+d1W ynzUxEQ7y0xbs5YnZvZtDSHjTPSSGEIDThBQMkuhXVH8Uy7MCTbLMhG9Y3alF+ET ydxVqIPxZzKWV/vBC9DC9OkOymKoL/bAoZYk85qgUSk/B6Boj6SNizN9uYaUNB4n eNtW4FL/tSuPxjJyDDZhyEiMGvvkjD4TawTTtOXWMt4lPHeTnjKuoQ== =wGpo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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KC is an Idiot
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:00 AM 11/16/97 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote: >Hmm -- I've been robbed at gunpoint 3 times, pistol-whipped once. The >perpetrators were all minorities; none were ever caught. Possessing a >gun at the time wouldn't have made a positive difference in any of the >cases, incidentally. (I own several guns; I am quite familiar with >guns; I no longer really have a use for them, though.) I thought Kent was a liberal suckup shill, but now I realize he is merely a stupid jackass. Unless Kent walks around in a semipermanent state of rectal defilade, having a gun in his posession WOULD have made a significant difference in each case. A certain amount of situational awareness IS required to have your gun aimed at the punk(s) before the punks get the drop on you. Anyone unable to be aware of their surroundings deserves whatever they get--natural selection removing stupid genes from the pool and all that. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNG/tXPVLt662DSXhAQF89Qf+PDc57MywdPm+Fq3UxUekkbwRs9Ltp8bo 1owPCO2Ea3rBTm7+sWBklDNbNc2RXA0Id6BZv3PDxkJtKvimsMiaQ9jfxk/x+tts jNpZWSJnN3AJWdsqF1t9nD7A6cVl/MAS5gC6A16rNcG1IKVCB4Om6kD9e1Dc+d1W ynzUxEQ7y0xbs5YnZvZtDSHjTPSSGEIDThBQMkuhXVH8Uy7MCTbLMhG9Y3alF+ET ydxVqIPxZzKWV/vBC9DC9OkOymKoL/bAoZYk85qgUSk/B6Boj6SNizN9uYaUNB4n eNtW4FL/tSuPxjJyDDZhyEiMGvvkjD4TawTTtOXWMt4lPHeTnjKuoQ== =wGpo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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KC is an Idiot
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:00 AM 11/16/97 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote: >Hmm -- I've been robbed at gunpoint 3 times, pistol-whipped once. The >perpetrators were all minorities; none were ever caught. Possessing a >gun at the time wouldn't have made a positive difference in any of the >cases, incidentally. (I own several guns; I am quite familiar with >guns; I no longer really have a use for them, though.) I thought Kent was a liberal suckup shill, but now I realize he is merely a stupid jackass. Unless Kent walks around in a semipermanent state of rectal defilade, having a gun in his posession WOULD have made a significant difference in each case. A certain amount of situational awareness IS required to have your gun aimed at the punk(s) before the punks get the drop on you. Anyone unable to be aware of their surroundings deserves whatever they get--natural selection removing stupid genes from the pool and all that. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNG/tXPVLt662DSXhAQF89Qf+PDc57MywdPm+Fq3UxUekkbwRs9Ltp8bo 1owPCO2Ea3rBTm7+sWBklDNbNc2RXA0Id6BZv3PDxkJtKvimsMiaQ9jfxk/x+tts jNpZWSJnN3AJWdsqF1t9nD7A6cVl/MAS5gC6A16rNcG1IKVCB4Om6kD9e1Dc+d1W ynzUxEQ7y0xbs5YnZvZtDSHjTPSSGEIDThBQMkuhXVH8Uy7MCTbLMhG9Y3alF+ET ydxVqIPxZzKWV/vBC9DC9OkOymKoL/bAoZYk85qgUSk/B6Boj6SNizN9uYaUNB4n eNtW4FL/tSuPxjJyDDZhyEiMGvvkjD4TawTTtOXWMt4lPHeTnjKuoQ== =wGpo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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KC is an Idiot
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:00 AM 11/16/97 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote: >Hmm -- I've been robbed at gunpoint 3 times, pistol-whipped once. The >perpetrators were all minorities; none were ever caught. Possessing a >gun at the time wouldn't have made a positive difference in any of the >cases, incidentally. (I own several guns; I am quite familiar with >guns; I no longer really have a use for them, though.) I thought Kent was a liberal suckup shill, but now I realize he is merely a stupid jackass. Unless Kent walks around in a semipermanent state of rectal defilade, having a gun in his posession WOULD have made a significant difference in each case. A certain amount of situational awareness IS required to have your gun aimed at the punk(s) before the punks get the drop on you. Anyone unable to be aware of their surroundings deserves whatever they get--natural selection removing stupid genes from the pool and all that. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNG/tXPVLt662DSXhAQF89Qf+PDc57MywdPm+Fq3UxUekkbwRs9Ltp8bo 1owPCO2Ea3rBTm7+sWBklDNbNc2RXA0Id6BZv3PDxkJtKvimsMiaQ9jfxk/x+tts jNpZWSJnN3AJWdsqF1t9nD7A6cVl/MAS5gC6A16rNcG1IKVCB4Om6kD9e1Dc+d1W ynzUxEQ7y0xbs5YnZvZtDSHjTPSSGEIDThBQMkuhXVH8Uy7MCTbLMhG9Y3alF+ET ydxVqIPxZzKWV/vBC9DC9OkOymKoL/bAoZYk85qgUSk/B6Boj6SNizN9uYaUNB4n eNtW4FL/tSuPxjJyDDZhyEiMGvvkjD4TawTTtOXWMt4lPHeTnjKuoQ== =wGpo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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Re: Exporting crypto from Japan
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 06:37 PM 11/16/97 PST, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: >Do you readJapanese import & export law book? >If you don't read at yet,You must read it. I bet that NoNookie's next post offers copies of Jap inport/export laws for $50. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNHAPCfVLt662DSXhAQHt9wgAkGTzSVIZp2jXh0df22a7Ah3y8hVPyzb4 3kuPrFs4o6+lhdgX3pE6r9F213Hl7/qaDheB/u0bXgnlGtK6gEdL+QBtGg78myRe F82sLxoNQHam31lZ7SRRqJ1GzlbPtPSWuHf3KwN7oaf7QaV/0mWViUYROCB94oqR cpAPnXLzXmeUmHmw8tePSES8KRHA5Gt2MD4Sda2LrJ+RUFvnXw2sG9TCrXeDLFx2 d8LBocy8eCYugc/lowF6NY80EfcFZb1fY+0lAGHg0d1NydJg+x9XxjNR2HBLEmTB +jF1b5gg6f9pVPrqqncmQWHLZAYUO0NuA4DHzHtM0cRh0V2bDBXTSg== =guKp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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Re: Exporting crypto from Japan
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 06:37 PM 11/16/97 PST, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: >Do you readJapanese import & export law book? >If you don't read at yet,You must read it. I bet that NoNookie's next post offers copies of Jap inport/export laws for $50. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNHAPCfVLt662DSXhAQHt9wgAkGTzSVIZp2jXh0df22a7Ah3y8hVPyzb4 3kuPrFs4o6+lhdgX3pE6r9F213Hl7/qaDheB/u0bXgnlGtK6gEdL+QBtGg78myRe F82sLxoNQHam31lZ7SRRqJ1GzlbPtPSWuHf3KwN7oaf7QaV/0mWViUYROCB94oqR cpAPnXLzXmeUmHmw8tePSES8KRHA5Gt2MD4Sda2LrJ+RUFvnXw2sG9TCrXeDLFx2 d8LBocy8eCYugc/lowF6NY80EfcFZb1fY+0lAGHg0d1NydJg+x9XxjNR2HBLEmTB +jF1b5gg6f9pVPrqqncmQWHLZAYUO0NuA4DHzHtM0cRh0V2bDBXTSg== =guKp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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Re: Hard To Read PGP 5.5 Key
by Jonathan Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:47 AM 11/17/97 -0800, SL Baur wrote: >Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> writes: > >> "Benjamin Chad Wienke" <woodwose(a)mailexcite.com> >> posted a message with the PGP 5.5 key attached below. >> My Eudora 3.0.3 plugin couldn't find any PGP-relevant information, > >Maybe you need a more modern email program. > >It worked fine for me with the (relatively ancient) Mailcrypt in >XEmacs. Try highlighting the public key block including the "Begin Public Key" and the "End Public Key" lines, then click the extract key button. I use Eudora 3.0.3 and that worked fine. I think the multiple keys in the message may confuse the plug-in. Jonathan Wienke PGP Key Fingerprints: 7484 2FB7 7588 ACD1 3A8F 778A 7407 2928 3312 6597 8258 9A9E D9FA 4878 C245 D245 EAA7 0DCC "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams "Stupidity is the one arena of of human achievement where most people fulfill their potential." -- Jonathan Wienke RSA export-o-matic: print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: [FWD] Finding a Face in the Crowd
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 05:09 PM 11/16/97 -0800, Steve Schear wrote: >Oh well Mr. Orwell, you've never believe how far we've come... > >"Mugspot" Can Find A Face In The Crowd - Award-Winning Face Recognition >Software Prepares to Go to Work in the Streets > >Computer "eyes" are now up to such tasks as watching for fugitives in >airline terminals and other busy locations. A sophisticated >face-recognition system that placed first in recent Army competitive >trials has been given the added ability to pick out faces in noisy or >chaotic "street" environments. ><...snip...> > >The USC/Bochum system also shone in tests conducted under substandard >lighting conditions: It lost only a small fraction of its accuracy, >while competitors showed drastic falloffs in less-than-brilliant >illumination. > >The USC/Bochum system uses an unusual approach that mimics the >technique scientists believe the brain uses to recognize images. Von >der Malsburg, whose principal research interests lie in the >investigation of living brains, in fact carried out much of the >original research on the system as part of an attempt to understand >human face recognition. His research led to creating a computer model >of the way the brain's visual cortex processes information. To make this work really well, link it to the listening/locating/voiceprinting system described in the "Technology Secures Gunfire" thread for the purpose of aiming the cameras for greatest effect. 1984's "Big Brother" wasn't shit compared to this. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNHAN7PVLt662DSXhAQHK2wgAilb7w4bBZ8ieNxgT1w4LkPqVSHF0U/3E TFcnrAQXMnIky7Pvh3PoU3+0GmPDCJ7hFwrXo3IkNFpTbqkEZkSYx2VCR1soVdSW yUnYeq13A4aYwhuw17Rb+gp/iOm0mJdVhLcWyntHdRrNtjqPq1Kz1G7jidVYo/LS PpP/W9Xf4JJdlz5Wi84skupl5oX3UC6lKC9ag5JU+VGcunmy0QkRkTZRCkIEBtvG tGjKp5KOst8MdMHeGFmKKS3/ckBXwn9drUntOrJBARihuzXU9cXnTGMHqUkRAc59 RFPHYuVDeNmw4dHsZ4Dg01cC0AXPIytjbH9sMrWitmF6hJCLxydOcw== =RbMM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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Seeing Both Sides
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bob Hettinga wrote: >But then, logic, much less independent thinking, was never >Foucault's strong point. I took this statement at face value, but out of curiousity I decided to find out who this guy Foucault was. The things I read about him lead me to believe otherwise. Some quotes from Michel Foucault: "The judges of normality are present everywhere. We are in the society of the teacher-judge, the doctor-judge, the educator-judge, the 'social worker'-judge." "Prison continues, on those who are entrusted to it, a work begun elsewhere, which the whole of society pursues on each individual through innumerable mechanisms of discipline." How quick we are to condemn those who step out of the "norm", no? As soon as someone says something even slightly controversial, our inner censors rush in to separate ourselves from that person, to chastise him, to condemn him, regardless of the relationship we have developed with him in the past. There is this unfortunate property in man that leads him to disassociate himself from the ideas he holds true if it is convenient, and especially if it will allow him to avoid the ridicule, hatred and disdain of others. In the never ending "pursuit of happiness" we seek to make our lives so comfortable that we will give up that which we hold dearest. "The work of an intellectual is not to mould the political will of others; it is, through the analyses that he does in his own field, to re-examine evidence and assumptions, to shake up habitual ways of working and thinking, to dissipate conventional familiarities, to re-evaluate rules and institutions and...to participate in the formation of a political will (where he has his role as citizen to play)." In other words, to make people think. This is the goal of the intellectual. To subtly influence the mass of humanity by appealing to their minds, their reason, instead of their base instincts and emotions. Tolerance and acceptance are results brought about in us by communion with the mind, that which is greatest in us. Hatred, persecution, violence are what we fall back upon when we cease to live to our fullest potential. We degenerate into the animals we once were. Once again, Bob wrote: >The world's foremost pseudomystical relativist cited to support an >absolutist position. The logic escapes me. But then, logic, much less >independent thinking, was never Foucault's strong point. Perhaps one way of looking at it is that if you can't see the black and the white, you're missing the whole picture. After all, who would think that one would need to use an anonymous remailer and a pseudonym to express oneself in a free and open society such as ours? Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNGu85OFWwZe05jcJAQGvYwgAlI0R3rJW67A9fFIs9ai5FY/jEAwV2oQ1 112bd/UmgfJ11DYPWUpG6GKt2XcBUd6UfYPnidY27hT+GGBTTKjAeF88z0XMu6Ep jWUPllwb0Dw5or1o9IBg8ZAOPaAu/SMy9yVgcfaEbAqmfNken+dBhbfoAORjaLd8 BJSYCGs1Bw3Aw1gE7e3aJdjlYs/gKKNkoTQCkgkt6VBBCEQ7dXG1qbq2BTYS3py9 meK2utOM+YLG/+bJSoGRLT5oFiIpnYrkIwAziAtO7WAfydq+vwf8EsTdnX5mwUxg THngvvyaAbZtVm/yObAPgifbfpfDbnfYOL/rrJQzGMXVJCUBNKTQKg== =zZLC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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