December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

ADMIN: lost messages (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Jeff Barber <jeffb(a)issl.atl.hp.com> > Subject: ADMIN: lost messages > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:22:06 -0400 (EDT) > CPunks list administrators, > > There appears to be an occasional breakdown in the list > distribution/reflection. I am sometimes seeing responses to articles > that I haven't received. For example, a message from > spencer_ante(a)webmagazine.com has been the subject of several > follow-ups (according to their In-reply-to fields, it is message > ID <88256538.00787D24.00(a)pcwhub.pcworld.com>). Yes, there are occassional breakdowns in the communications between the list remailers. The reason that there are several of them is if one goes down for more than a few minutes the whole lists doesn't go down which would occur if we were still on a single remailer. In cases such as this I would suggest checking the archives provided by a couple of sites (I thought since I don't check the archives). > Any clues? Things get lost on occassion? ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: PGP 5.5 CMR/GAK: a possible solution
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

mark(a)unicorn.com writes: > When a customer wishes to send email to Joe, he would use this public key. > When encrypting, PGP would detect the tag and put up a dialog box pointing > out that this is a corporate key and if they click on the 'confidential' > button it will be encrypted to the user's personal key prior to encrypting > to the corporate key (by which I mean superencryption, to avoid traffic > analysis). The default would be not to superencrypt; and as a side effect > this system would be compatible with any version of PGP for > non-confidential mail (assuming that version understands the encryption > algorithms in use). Neat, automatic superencryption. Could the same idea work with the Pgp method with the CMR key? You would encrypt to the user first, then reencrypt to the combination of user and CMR key. Would this prevent GAK?

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Re: puff pieces vs tough crypto issues (Re: Singapore TOILET ALERT)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > No offense Declan, but what has this got to do with cypherpunks, > cryptography, crypto politics etc? (This is not a perrygram, this is > a message saying I found that particular article uninteresting). Adam, I believe that Declan may be trying to keep things in perspective, by reminding us who the actual users of "widespread crypto" will be, GAK or no GAK. As a matter of fact, Declan and I are counting on you to explain the issues involved to our good friend and neighbor, Debbie (details below), and get back to us with her thoughts on the crypto issues which are relevant, from her perspective. * At a celebrity auction in May, Debbie Dacoba of Paw Paw, Mich., bid $8,625 for a pair of Mr. Ed's horseshoes and was so overcome with joy when she won that she had to retreat to the ladies' room for 20 minutes until she stopped crying. Later she told a reporter that she would keep the horseshoes in plastic because specks of brown residue in the nail holes "could be manure, which I hope it is because then I have a piece of him." ManureMonger ~~~~~~~~~~~~ To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.)

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Bill Gates, the Bully Savior
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There was a good op-ed in the WSJ on Monday. The Politics of Envy, basically. Why everyone in Silicon Valley hates Microsoft... But some of the complaints about Microsoft come down to personal taste. The masses offend refined sensibilities when they buy Windows 95 in droves. Rein them in! Stop them from buying what they want! Don't let them get free copies of Internet Explorer. I share Lizard's distaste for Microsoft products. My Unix workstation at home has not one MSFT application on it. I have only Microsoft Word on my Duo at work, and I could get by with WordPerfect. But our dislike for their products doesn't mean that we are morally justified in restricting what the company can do. -Declan At 10:42 -0700 10/22/97, Lizard wrote: >Uhm...how do 'we all' benefit from having the same Justice Department which >defended the CDA (and which is pushing for GAK) decide for us all what is, >and is not, part of an operating system? > >These people are not qualified to make ANY judgements about computers -- I >have to assume the 'experts' they got to tell them about OS software are no >more qualified than the 'experts' they got to testify about the CDA (L-18, >anyone?). > >I have no great love for Microsoft (I don't think anyone forced to use >their crappy software does), and, emotionally, I'd like to see them get >taken down a peg -- but legally and ethically, they are not doing anything >wrong. They're just being tough competitors. Microsoft has prospered not >due to any technical brilliance on their part, but due to sheer >incompetance on the part of the rest of the industry, who have made a hobby >of underestimating Bill Gates and overestimating their own customers loyalty. > >It's a pity I'm a mind-flaying victim. If I wasn't, I could forget >principles and ideals and just say, "Microsoft Big. Microsoft Nasty. Uncle >Sam stomp Microsoft. Yay, Uncle Sam." But because I work from principle >FIRST, I have to grant Microsoft the same rights I would grant Sam's Deli >or Joe's Shoe Store, and that includes the right to offer any combination >of products or services they wish, and let the market decide to buy or not. ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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Re: PGP, Inc.--What were they thinking?
by spencer_ante＠webmagazine.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan, perhaps the Big Brother vs. The Boss debate has been talked about for years in the crypto community but, as far as I can tell, it hasn't crossed over into the mainstream mediasphere. And that's partly due to the rhetoric of cyberlibertarians, who have consistently pointed their finger (justifiably most of the time) at the evil government, at the expense of seriously analyzing surveillance in the private sector. For example, how many people know what their company's security policy is? Do they read your email? How often and with what cause? I think any type of surveillance system is cause for concern--whether it originates from the government or IBM. Lastly, I think you overestimate the amount of wiggle room folks have in the labor market, which is never perfect. What happens when most of the Fortune 500 starts eavesdropping on company email? (Incidentally, I think that most working people--unlike the digerati--are not in a position to launch their own company.) It reminds me of the drug testing issue. Sure, it sucks and may even be unconstitutional, but that hasn't stopped a lot of companies from doing it. -Spencer (posting this from my the computer in my corporate cubicle) At 15:08 -0700 10/22/97, spencer_ante(a)webmagazine.com wrote: >But with this new product, I agree that they run the risk of alienating >their core user group of cypherpunks and hackers. Encryption is a very >complicated topic that doesn't lend itself well to sloganeering and >histrionics. And one major thing that needs to be pointed out: PGP's key >recovery system is *voluntary and private*--not mandatory and gov. >controlled, which is what the Feds and Louis Freeh have been pushing for. >One potential positive side effect of PGP 5.5 is that it could realign the >crypto debate and force people to consider this question: Whose back door >should netizens be more worried about: Big Brother or The Boss? Spencer, the folks on the cypherpunks list know better than perhaps anyone else that encryption is a complicated topic. I know it's tempting to search for New Things to Say about the crypto debate. I try it myself sometimes. But the question you posed about "whose backdoor should netizens be more worried about" has been debated for years and is hardly new. The short answer to it is: when Big Brother is my Boss, I have remedies. I can leave the company or pressure it to change policies. I can file a union grievance. If all else fails, I can leave the company and start my own. This is not the case when Big Brother is Louis Freeh or Janet Reno. When worldwide GAK is the rule, where else can I go? Also: governments have guns; governments have jails. They have unique coercive powers, which the law and western philosophical traditions recognize -- and try to limit. -Declan (posting this before a soccer game somewhere in virginia)

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PGP 5.5 and the corporate environment
by Roger J Jones 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just a small aside. Our help desk handles about 50 to 75 "I forgot my password" requests per day. This might be one small motivating factor why corporations desire an alternative method to recover encrypted files.

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Unlocking crypto-secrets Wired article -- request for help
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm working on a Netizen article for Wired Magazine on secret crypto-briefings and thought I'd ask the list for help. You know the briefings I'm talking about -- classified sessions where the FBI director, the Commerce Dept, NSA, and occasionally anti-drug officials pressure Congressmen to place restrictions on encryption. Sometimes it works, and our elected representatives vote to put strict limits on encryption technologies. (The secret briefings certainly seemed to work on the House Commerce committee.) I'd like to unlock those closed doors. If anyone has insights into what happens during these sessions, I'd be very interested in learning more. Pointers to open sources would be great. I will keep your identity confidential. I'd also be interested in learning more about the secret briefing practices of other countries. Please feel free to recirculate this message. I've attached my PGP key below. Please use it sparingly; I keep my private key on a non-networked machine and it's laborious to move data back and forth. If you want to send a tip through an anonymous remailer, a web-based one is at: http://www.replay.com/remailer/anon_no_ssl.html Thanks, Declan ****************** http://www.well.com/user/declan/.pgpkey PGP Key fingerprint = F4 0A 36 1F 7F B1 4B CB 5C 38 2C 13 FE 1E 4D 80 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzF5mVcAAAEEALKyL4tjF7t4h+hmbY+q0b0FdSZy3dx8LuUwkTmAY6Ib/YX7 WhZR22+T1Tts/JaC7iAhr/zfxI9IrHqT1C7NV/aqdEVAuI+pjYKpcRKOU7i0ccAx db/jddUvzX4bjqKQQLLcOihcle6BD2+7vEXxaaMOA5nTU5i/Sn7vt7V2BpKxAAUT tCJEZWNsYW4gTWNDdWxsYWdoIDxkZWNsYW5Ad2VsbC5jb20+iQCVAwUQMXmajn7v t7V2BpKxAQG6NAP/RUEBrnFfR6vbIdoAeyt2jXsuPPcH944mnyp4fNLH3OEzQlj6 tXee9eYaqazUgkLNCyWXDDGQJxsok58hqIEOHoTgilAcomMW3mIoqN7uMIevyvmo NH170+a6drNwY4kNXNUsDDx6qfgQz5wTxaVyxbZuyslX1k3kDID8vPSyxbs= =dofB -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ******************

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Re: Bill Gates, the Bully Savior
by Paul Spirito 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:34 PM 10/22/97 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Or it's like buying a Ford Mustang that comes with brown carpets. Auto >manufacturers "bundle" lots of things with their cars... Where's the DoJ >when we need them?!? Not sure where I stand on this. An OS is more like a highway than a car. Or, better, a rail track -- since it imposes severe compatibility requirements on those who want to utilize it. Imagine that someone owned the rail track standard & had the exclusive IP-rights to manufacture it. Non-standard tracks exist, but they don't go nearly as many places. Then the company uses its position as owner of the tracks to demand... Oh screw it. I don't feel like going down analogy road any further. Detail is the enemy of ideology, & the significant detail re: Microsoft is the rare & happy (for Bill Gates) character of its business that it is more important to have a standard OS than to have a quality OS. Therein lies his billions, & it seems to me reasonable to scrutinize attempts to parlay that counter-ordinary-market reality into dominance in other areas. Perhaps this could be settled as the online service spat was: bundle Netscape with Win98 (& Opera, Arachne &c). Or perhaps the US could nationalize Windows. Whoo-hoo! Therein lies a Plan... Paul Her name was Julie, she wore Batman sneakers, And she laughed when she sang, "Money can't buy me love!" North of Petaluma where the 1 meets the 101 -- Oh man, we took a lot of drugs...

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Laws recognizing digital signatures
by Vincent Cate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have talked to people in government and the offshore private sector here and think Anguilla has a very good chance of passing a law making digital signatures legally recognized, at least for corporations. I think we would be the first taxhaven to do so. Currently companies use corporate seals. I mentioned that there were a few other jurisdictions that had passed some laws like this and they would like me to try to pin down which and, if possible, get copies of the laws. I remember some talk about this on cypherpunks, so I am hoping someone here can tell me which places (think there was some state) have such laws, and if possible tell me where I can get a copy. Thanks, -- Vince ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vincent Cate Offshore Information Services Vince(a)Offshore.com.ai http://www.offshore.com.ai/ Anguilla, BWI http://www.offshore.com.ai/vince ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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